Comments on: Hungarian armor part 1 – 44M Tas and Tas Rohamlöveg

By: Hungarian armor part 4 – Toldi II, Toldi IIA, Toldi III | For The Record

Sat, 16 Nov 2013 15:21:54 +0000

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Hungarian armor part 3 – Toldi | For The Record — Wed, 06 Nov 2013 12:26:21 +0000

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By: LukeMaster92

LukeMaster92 — Tue, 05 Nov 2013 15:48:32 +0000

They both still have a top Speed of 55 km/h.

By: Hungarian armor part 2 – Introduction, Straussler tanks | For The Record

Tue, 05 Nov 2013 11:38:09 +0000

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By: Gabi_Hun

Gabi_Hun — Wed, 11 Sep 2013 08:42:11 +0000

The error is not his, other sources call the Tas rohamlöveg a TD project.
So to clarify:
páncélos = panzer, tank
rohamlöveg = sturmgeschütz(StuG), assult gun
páncélvadász = panzerjäger, tank hunter
vadászpáncélos = jagdpanzer, hunting tank
Just like in wot, StuG III is a TD :)

By: Haren

Haren — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:48:14 +0000

“Characteristics:

(in the brackets: Panther D statistics for comparison)
Crew: 5 (5)
Weight: 38 tons (44,8)
Lenght: 9,2 meters (8,66)
Width: 3,5 meters (3,27)
Height: 3 meters (2,99)
Engine: 2x Turán, 520hp in total (HL230, 700hp)
Armor
Frontal: 100-120mm (80)
Sides: 50mm (40)
Turret frontal: 100mm (100)
Turret sides: 100mm (45)
Turret rear: 50mm (45)
Armament: 75mm KwK 42 or 75mm 43M (the same)
Speed: 45km/h (55km/h)”

Wait…. It is bigger in all dimensions (lenght, width, height), has more armour on all sides, and still weights 6,8 tons less? o.O

Something is wrong here I think….

By: ABalazs

ABalazs — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:17:47 +0000

These were just negotiation position enhancer projects, I think – the same story happened with WM-23 Ezüst Nyíl fighter aircraft. Hungarian engineers tried to copy a more or less successful German design (WM-23 was a He-112 copy, and Tas was a Panther copy), but without powerful industrial background Germans had, they used whatever they found. (as thos 2 engines from the Turan). There were no true tank-building capacity in the country – Weiss Manfréd or Ganz wasn’t a Skoda or a Niebelungenwerke – neither serious financial background for these projects. But at the end Hungarian politics reached a point, from where the army was able to use more advaced German equipment – they got Bf.109s and Me210s for the air force, and refurbished Tigers, Pz.IVs and Stugs for the tank divisions.

TBH hungarian tanks were not obsolete at all in 1939, when Germans used Pz.II-s, Pz.III-s and LT-35s as their main force, but in ’42 when Hungary joined the war, with less then 100 Turans, and some fast, but unarmoured Toldi light tanks, there were no chance to challange russians and their thousands of T-34s. There were some Hungarian tank aces, as Tarczay Ervin, but they fought in Tigers and Pz.IVs mostly, when germans dropped some used equipment to the Hungarians.

By: Anon

Anon — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 01:06:43 +0000

So irl the Panther and JagdPanther top speeds were both at 55 km/h? Why in game both have 48 and 46 km/h only? Panther and JagdPanther are some of the clumsiest vehicles in game they deserve their irl top speed don’t you think?

By: Hungarian armor part 1 – 44M Tas and Tas Rohamlöveg | XVM战绩插件中文化团队

Hungarian armor part 1 – 44M Tas and Tas Rohamlöveg | XVM战绩插件中文化团队 — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 00:57:58 +0000

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By: Silentstalker

Silentstalker — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 21:14:03 +0000

Well, the 80mm gun was a copy of the Swedish Bofors AA cannon. I am not sure it was very powerful… by the way as far as I remember, the Hungarians actually wanted to install it on the Toldi chassis to create an interesting tank destroyer.