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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/06/18/70-years-ago-this-day/#comment-1962</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agree with much what you say. 

But I do think it is hard to say that a party in war is the good party. In war there are nog good parties, no winners and most of the time (as in WW2) no ethical parties.

As of genocide, yes probably one of the worst things that happened during WW2, and one of the worst things to ever happen.

But, Germans were not the only ones to commit genocide ever. Therefore I think it is not fair to call Nazi&#039;s devils and forget about many other examples of genocide in history very easily.

Not saying it wasn&#039;t terrible. Just saying is happened more and those other people are to be regarded as equal terrible as the Nazi&#039;s just as their actions.

That&#039;s all...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with much what you say. </p>
<p>But I do think it is hard to say that a party in war is the good party. In war there are nog good parties, no winners and most of the time (as in WW2) no ethical parties.</p>
<p>As of genocide, yes probably one of the worst things that happened during WW2, and one of the worst things to ever happen.</p>
<p>But, Germans were not the only ones to commit genocide ever. Therefore I think it is not fair to call Nazi&#8217;s devils and forget about many other examples of genocide in history very easily.</p>
<p>Not saying it wasn&#8217;t terrible. Just saying is happened more and those other people are to be regarded as equal terrible as the Nazi&#8217;s just as their actions.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kellomies</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/06/18/70-years-ago-this-day/#comment-1850</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kellomies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looking at SOME of these comments it seems more like &quot;some people are still Nazi and butthurt Poster Boy got whacked&quot;.

Two can play this game you know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at SOME of these comments it seems more like &#8220;some people are still Nazi and butthurt Poster Boy got whacked&#8221;.</p>
<p>Two can play this game you know.</p>
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		<title>By: Kellomies</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kellomies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Worst&quot; my ass. Yugoslavia had a reputation as one of the more palatable Communist Block states (largely going its own way from the Soviet-dominated mainstream didn&#039;t hurt ofc), all the more so compared to patent shitholes in the enighbourhood like Romania or, God forbid, *Albania*.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Worst&#8221; my ass. Yugoslavia had a reputation as one of the more palatable Communist Block states (largely going its own way from the Soviet-dominated mainstream didn&#8217;t hurt ofc), all the more so compared to patent shitholes in the enighbourhood like Romania or, God forbid, *Albania*.</p>
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		<title>By: Kellomies</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kellomies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Racist prejudice wasn&#039;t a war crime the last I checked; it was the norm of the day if you didn&#039;t happen to know. And the Allies took it exactly as far as rather habitable and well-run internement camps whereas the Axis conversely indulged in systematic genocide...

Oh, and didja know that a Nisei volunteer unit was just about the single most decorated US combat formation of the war?

The Allied &quot;bomber barons&quot; were stuck trying to prove correct the rather optimistic (or pessimistic, depending on how you look at it) interwar theories about strategic bombing; this led them down many a terribly unproductive rabbit hole, most notably a near obsession with razing the enemy cities. They tended not be very cooperative about suggestions concerning &quot;changing tack&quot; or putting their terribly expensive airfleets into other uses, such as ground support missions and whatnot.
So they wasted an awful lot of both bomber-crew (whose casualty rates rivaled those of combat infantry) an enemy civilian lives alike in largely pointless terror bombings that really didn&#039;t achieve much beyond wrecking cities.
So?
Bombing raids on civilian targets were nothing new, they&#039;d been pioneered already in the Great War; the strategy of trying to undermine your enemy&#039;s position by targeting his civilian subjects is FAR older. The Axis merrily did it to the best of their ability too, they merely lacked the requisite airfleets (but went a fair ways to trying to come up with creative substitutes, such as now early cruise and ballistic missiles to make up for it).
Also by no period law a war crime.

As for nukes, meh. The only reason the Germans didn&#039;t earn the dubious honor of having the things field-tested on them was simply that they collapsed before they were operational. As the Japanese were being delusionally obstinate in the peace-feeler negotiations (not to mention having their country de facto governed by a batshit insane military junta with a major death fetish and a most disturbing willingness to see the whole nation perish rather than surrender) they became the obvious practice target - didn&#039;t hurt that the bombs also HAD their desired effect, namely that of convincing most halfway sane people in the regime of further resistance being a futile waste of lives.
Didja know there was nevertheless a rather half-assed but symptomatic coup attempt against Hirohito after he&#039;d decided enough was enough and it was time to hoist the white flag?
If anything the nukes *saved* lives by bringing Japan to heel without further fighting; even the moat conservative of the Allied casualty projections (not to speak of collateral damage, doubly so given the quite serious though probaly not very realistic Japanese plans to mobilise the whole nation to fight to the last man, woman and child) for Operation Olympic - the amphibious invasion of the Home Isles - were pretty hair-raising. And IIRC there were rather serious suggestions to liberally employ poison gases to help overcome the Japanese defenses...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Racist prejudice wasn&#8217;t a war crime the last I checked; it was the norm of the day if you didn&#8217;t happen to know. And the Allies took it exactly as far as rather habitable and well-run internement camps whereas the Axis conversely indulged in systematic genocide&#8230;</p>
<p>Oh, and didja know that a Nisei volunteer unit was just about the single most decorated US combat formation of the war?</p>
<p>The Allied &#8220;bomber barons&#8221; were stuck trying to prove correct the rather optimistic (or pessimistic, depending on how you look at it) interwar theories about strategic bombing; this led them down many a terribly unproductive rabbit hole, most notably a near obsession with razing the enemy cities. They tended not be very cooperative about suggestions concerning &#8220;changing tack&#8221; or putting their terribly expensive airfleets into other uses, such as ground support missions and whatnot.<br />
So they wasted an awful lot of both bomber-crew (whose casualty rates rivaled those of combat infantry) an enemy civilian lives alike in largely pointless terror bombings that really didn&#8217;t achieve much beyond wrecking cities.<br />
So?<br />
Bombing raids on civilian targets were nothing new, they&#8217;d been pioneered already in the Great War; the strategy of trying to undermine your enemy&#8217;s position by targeting his civilian subjects is FAR older. The Axis merrily did it to the best of their ability too, they merely lacked the requisite airfleets (but went a fair ways to trying to come up with creative substitutes, such as now early cruise and ballistic missiles to make up for it).<br />
Also by no period law a war crime.</p>
<p>As for nukes, meh. The only reason the Germans didn&#8217;t earn the dubious honor of having the things field-tested on them was simply that they collapsed before they were operational. As the Japanese were being delusionally obstinate in the peace-feeler negotiations (not to mention having their country de facto governed by a batshit insane military junta with a major death fetish and a most disturbing willingness to see the whole nation perish rather than surrender) they became the obvious practice target &#8211; didn&#8217;t hurt that the bombs also HAD their desired effect, namely that of convincing most halfway sane people in the regime of further resistance being a futile waste of lives.<br />
Didja know there was nevertheless a rather half-assed but symptomatic coup attempt against Hirohito after he&#8217;d decided enough was enough and it was time to hoist the white flag?<br />
If anything the nukes *saved* lives by bringing Japan to heel without further fighting; even the moat conservative of the Allied casualty projections (not to speak of collateral damage, doubly so given the quite serious though probaly not very realistic Japanese plans to mobilise the whole nation to fight to the last man, woman and child) for Operation Olympic &#8211; the amphibious invasion of the Home Isles &#8211; were pretty hair-raising. And IIRC there were rather serious suggestions to liberally employ poison gases to help overcome the Japanese defenses&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anti collaborator</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anti collaborator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to you, if I declare that I will kill you if you reply to this comment it would be legitimate action in the eyes of the law?

Chetniks are known as Nazi collaborators  because there are German documents that speak of their mutual cooperation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to you, if I declare that I will kill you if you reply to this comment it would be legitimate action in the eyes of the law?</p>
<p>Chetniks are known as Nazi collaborators  because there are German documents that speak of their mutual cooperation.</p>
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		<title>By: Kellomies</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I seem to recall there being all manner of funny ethnic cleansing going on regardless of *what* the Commie partisans did, so eh. Also THEY were not the ones summarily massacring civilians as collective retribution for guerilla attacks - which was a pretty SOP German occupation policy BTW, as it was also done eg. in France (where the systematic extinction of most of the populace was NOT in the agenda).

Also by all accounts the Chetniks were a load of murdering assholes so cry me a river, apologist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to recall there being all manner of funny ethnic cleansing going on regardless of *what* the Commie partisans did, so eh. Also THEY were not the ones summarily massacring civilians as collective retribution for guerilla attacks &#8211; which was a pretty SOP German occupation policy BTW, as it was also done eg. in France (where the systematic extinction of most of the populace was NOT in the agenda).</p>
<p>Also by all accounts the Chetniks were a load of murdering assholes so cry me a river, apologist.</p>
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		<title>By: Anti communist</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anti communist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SS i think this article is nice and helps people remember great deeds but i don&#039;t think it was a smart move...just look at all these comments. Some people are still indoctrinated...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SS i think this article is nice and helps people remember great deeds but i don&#8217;t think it was a smart move&#8230;just look at all these comments. Some people are still indoctrinated&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anti communist</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/06/18/70-years-ago-this-day/#comment-1826</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SO you and your filthy communist likes had their way, and that way resulted in over 1 million lives lost in Yugoslavia, and the worst of all-communist dominance and dictatorship of an Croatian machinist that fought for Austria-Hungary against the same people he led 30 years after 1st WW.

Your comment is full of typical communist propaganda( the part with names is funny and very pathetic, cause his name would still be Zoran cause Germany lost the war, therefore your comment is full red idiotic).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SO you and your filthy communist likes had their way, and that way resulted in over 1 million lives lost in Yugoslavia, and the worst of all-communist dominance and dictatorship of an Croatian machinist that fought for Austria-Hungary against the same people he led 30 years after 1st WW.</p>
<p>Your comment is full of typical communist propaganda( the part with names is funny and very pathetic, cause his name would still be Zoran cause Germany lost the war, therefore your comment is full red idiotic).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Such as:

- Japanese people who had lived for many generations in the US were interned (same for Germans in Englans).
- Racism whas abundent against them (and against Jews). (Henry Ford got a medal from Hitler who based his boos loosely and to some extent on Ford&#039;s The international jew.)
- Firebombing was undertaken on Japanese and German cities. Much more effective than the German &quot;total war&quot;.
- These Targets where often selected to saw fear, not for their military importance.
- The atomic bomb, made to deter Germany from using it (they didn&#039;t even make it). But used against a different nation that did not even have something that came close to that technology. 

I do not say the allies committed genocide (because I think and assume they did not). But I do say that the too did many horrible things we nowadays rarely hear about.

In time of war ethics are often forgotten or used in the wrong way. Often it is a utilism with a different value for someone elses life than your own. This both parties are guilty of!

It is the price of propaganda, seeing your opponent as less of a human then yourself....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such as:</p>
<p>- Japanese people who had lived for many generations in the US were interned (same for Germans in Englans).<br />
- Racism whas abundent against them (and against Jews). (Henry Ford got a medal from Hitler who based his boos loosely and to some extent on Ford&#8217;s The international jew.)<br />
- Firebombing was undertaken on Japanese and German cities. Much more effective than the German &#8220;total war&#8221;.<br />
- These Targets where often selected to saw fear, not for their military importance.<br />
- The atomic bomb, made to deter Germany from using it (they didn&#8217;t even make it). But used against a different nation that did not even have something that came close to that technology. </p>
<p>I do not say the allies committed genocide (because I think and assume they did not). But I do say that the too did many horrible things we nowadays rarely hear about.</p>
<p>In time of war ethics are often forgotten or used in the wrong way. Often it is a utilism with a different value for someone elses life than your own. This both parties are guilty of!</p>
<p>It is the price of propaganda, seeing your opponent as less of a human then yourself&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anti communist</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anti communist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Communist Partizans weren&#039;t all nice and dandy, liberating territories and cities(lol at that, it was only one city and small region around it) and stuff, their actions caused mass executions(no it wasn&#039;t the other way around, Nazis declared that for every German soldier killed there will be 50 civilians shot)...

Anyway whole ex Yugoslavia knows about the heroic deeds and immeasurable sufferings of young and brave Partizans etc etc etc(insert more communist propaganda) cause victors write history(same reason why remnants of Kingdom&#039;s army or widely known as Chetniks are known today as Nazi collaborationists and war criminals).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Communist Partizans weren&#8217;t all nice and dandy, liberating territories and cities(lol at that, it was only one city and small region around it) and stuff, their actions caused mass executions(no it wasn&#8217;t the other way around, Nazis declared that for every German soldier killed there will be 50 civilians shot)&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway whole ex Yugoslavia knows about the heroic deeds and immeasurable sufferings of young and brave Partizans etc etc etc(insert more communist propaganda) cause victors write history(same reason why remnants of Kingdom&#8217;s army or widely known as Chetniks are known today as Nazi collaborationists and war criminals).</p>
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