Comments on: Profitability changes in 0.8.6

By: zenobs

zenobs — Thu, 20 Jun 2013 04:43:00 +0000

Yes and I totally agree with you in this case.

Waiting for the day when the MM can handle scouts …

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:23:03 +0000

Can someone confirm that Centurion now earns more credits?

By: Adam Meizner

Adam Meizner — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:18:02 +0000

I mean, just compare the Chaff to a Tier VII or VIII light. The M24 can’t even kill them one-on-one (I’m not sayng it can’t be done, but on average it’s not very likely at all). A light tank, in the same battle, can’t even kill another light tank. So when a team gets two VIII lights and the other one gets a VIII and a V… see where I’m going with this?

By: Adam Meizner

Adam Meizner — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:12:25 +0000

I like tier X games too, when I’m in a tier VII-VIII light. Otherwise it feels very discouraging. I mean, think about it: how many clans are using the Chafee in CW as a scout in top tier games?

By: zenobs

zenobs — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:58:05 +0000

about tracks:
I meant the stock engine, not stock tracks. Track/Hull traverse speed is also influenced by the tanks hp/t ratio and terrain resistance.
The ingame value shown in the garge is the traverse speed with stock engine on hard terrain.
For example: look at the Luchs => only 33°/s traverse speed with top tracks, but we all know that he can turn on dime.
Luchs stock engine 140hp – top 360hp => 257% more power.

I’m no native english speaker. Hope you got what I’m trying to explain :)

By: zenobs

zenobs — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:46:14 +0000

“Chaff needs to be rated as a regular Tier V light, with a lot of Tier VIII games, and some Tier IX.”

I personally like Tier X games as scout. At least pre-8.5 … => Arty wars^^ ;)
I’d prefer the income/repair costs to be buffed.

By: Adam Meizner

Adam Meizner — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:32:03 +0000

Oh, and they also should remove hat ridiculous Bulldog turret, and just leave the first one in, or just change some things on the first one and add it as a second turret.

By: Adam Meizner

Adam Meizner — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:22:51 +0000

The Chaf’s second track’s traverse speed is 46 d/s, while the T21′s is 60. That is a huge difference. Even with the stock track, it’s 42 for the M24 and 58 for the T21.

I was fairly sure the T21 had better hp/t ratio, but maybe I counted it wrong. But yeah, the same is the same: Chaff needs to be rated as a regular Tier V light, with a lot of Tier VIII games, and some Tier IX.

By: zenobs

zenobs — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 12:09:02 +0000

Don’t wanna piss you off being a smartass, but…

“T21 has:
– better turret traverse
– better engine (and better hp/t ratio)
– much better track traverse speed”

T21s turret turns faster, yes, but has therefore 50% more dispersion while rotating it.
Chaf has better hp/t ratio than T21 (25.35 > 24.15 – terrain resistance is equal btw).
Hull/Track traverse isn’t that much faster on T21. Remember, the in game values are only for stock engine.
Difference stock -> top engine:
Chaf 300 -> 500 = ~166% more power
T21 520 -> 560 = ~107.7% …

…but it’s pointless to discuss which of them is better anyway.
In fact, (here you’re right) Chafs glory days as ‘end-tier-scout’ are long gone and therefore his profitability/repair costs should get adjusted properly.

By: zenobs

zenobs — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:42:53 +0000

Tier X meds also got a penetration nerf.
Since they shoot APCR as ‘normal’ ammo, they now have only 2° normalisation instead of 5° …

… but anyway meds will still be better than heavies ;-) … at least in the right hands *cough*