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	<title>Comments on: Please don&#8217;t use the &#8220;5 M4s = 1 Panther&#8221; myth.</title>
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		<title>By: Tose Nikolov</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/07/28/please-dont-use-the-5-m4s-1-panther-myth/#comment-36271</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tose Nikolov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Sep 2013 22:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[US didn&#039;t have a reigning economics, it was in ruins in the 30&#039;s and 40&#039;s. It was later in the war that it strengthened up, by making the workers slaves basically. Same for the UK. Not much better for France either.

You are forgetting that they were all still in the great depression. Something Germany left behind a couple of years ago by detaching itself from world economy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US didn&#8217;t have a reigning economics, it was in ruins in the 30&#8242;s and 40&#8242;s. It was later in the war that it strengthened up, by making the workers slaves basically. Same for the UK. Not much better for France either.</p>
<p>You are forgetting that they were all still in the great depression. Something Germany left behind a couple of years ago by detaching itself from world economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Common Myths About WWII &#124; For The Record</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/07/28/please-dont-use-the-5-m4s-1-panther-myth/#comment-35096</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Common Myths About WWII &#124; For The Record]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2013 22:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] number varies greatly). Fact: The flaws of German kill counts are covered in detail here and here. Myth: Soviet optics were abysmal, and their guns inaccurate, to the point where they could not [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] number varies greatly). Fact: The flaws of German kill counts are covered in detail here and here. Myth: Soviet optics were abysmal, and their guns inaccurate, to the point where they could not [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Zinegata</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/07/28/please-dont-use-the-5-m4s-1-panther-myth/#comment-29744</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zinegata]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 03:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a nutshell: No, the Panther&#039;s side armor wasn&#039;t as thick as the Sherman&#039;s front. For one thing, the Sherman&#039;s front is actually sloped.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a nutshell: No, the Panther&#8217;s side armor wasn&#8217;t as thick as the Sherman&#8217;s front. For one thing, the Sherman&#8217;s front is actually sloped.</p>
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		<title>By: Zubmeister</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/07/28/please-dont-use-the-5-m4s-1-panther-myth/#comment-22146</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zubmeister]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 12:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Panthers side armor was almost as thick as M4 sherman&#039;s front armor for gods sake...
And what about the Sherman, did it have side armor that wasnt distressingly bad as the Panther&#039;s?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Panthers side armor was almost as thick as M4 sherman&#8217;s front armor for gods sake&#8230;<br />
And what about the Sherman, did it have side armor that wasnt distressingly bad as the Panther&#8217;s?</p>
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		<title>By: Zinegata</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/07/28/please-dont-use-the-5-m4s-1-panther-myth/#comment-15945</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zinegata]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2013 09:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[War is not about trying to shoot at each other&#039;s front armor plate. The Panther had distressingly bad side armor - which could be penetrated even by 14.5mm anti-tank rifles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>War is not about trying to shoot at each other&#8217;s front armor plate. The Panther had distressingly bad side armor &#8211; which could be penetrated even by 14.5mm anti-tank rifles.</p>
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		<title>By: Zinegata</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2013 08:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Piory-&gt;

By the way, did Belton Cooper claim that the &quot;Rhino Sherman&quot; (for clearing Hedgegrows) was an invention of someone in his Division (3rd Armored)? I know Ambose repeats that claim in his books, but everyone who isn&#039;t a fanboy knows that Ambrose was a terrible historian at best.

I ask because I&#039;d also note that the 3rd Armored didn&#039;t actually get into the thick of the hedgegrow fighting for the most part, since the Division first arrived in July and spent most of the month gathering up its component units. 

That a newly-arrived Division that fought very few battles in July would somehow come up with a &quot;solution&quot; to the Hedgegrows - as opposed to the US tank battalions who had actually fought in Normandy in both June and July while supporting the US V Corps (1st, 2nd, and 29th Infantry) - comes off to me as pretty damn unlikely. 

I am much more inclined to believe that the improvements in US tactics (e.g. Rhino Tanks) were developed by the US V Corps; and that the 3rd Armored only copied their hard-won tactical knowledge during their buildup period in July. That Cooper basically tries to steal credit from them is really something I&#039;ve already come to expect from such a bad source.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Piory-&gt;</p>
<p>By the way, did Belton Cooper claim that the &#8220;Rhino Sherman&#8221; (for clearing Hedgegrows) was an invention of someone in his Division (3rd Armored)? I know Ambose repeats that claim in his books, but everyone who isn&#8217;t a fanboy knows that Ambrose was a terrible historian at best.</p>
<p>I ask because I&#8217;d also note that the 3rd Armored didn&#8217;t actually get into the thick of the hedgegrow fighting for the most part, since the Division first arrived in July and spent most of the month gathering up its component units. </p>
<p>That a newly-arrived Division that fought very few battles in July would somehow come up with a &#8220;solution&#8221; to the Hedgegrows &#8211; as opposed to the US tank battalions who had actually fought in Normandy in both June and July while supporting the US V Corps (1st, 2nd, and 29th Infantry) &#8211; comes off to me as pretty damn unlikely. </p>
<p>I am much more inclined to believe that the improvements in US tactics (e.g. Rhino Tanks) were developed by the US V Corps; and that the 3rd Armored only copied their hard-won tactical knowledge during their buildup period in July. That Cooper basically tries to steal credit from them is really something I&#8217;ve already come to expect from such a bad source.</p>
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		<title>By: Priory_of_Sion</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/07/28/please-dont-use-the-5-m4s-1-panther-myth/#comment-15846</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Priory_of_Sion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2013 01:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If someone says they saw a bigfoot would you believe? I wouldn&#039;t. You sound like you would.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If someone says they saw a bigfoot would you believe? I wouldn&#8217;t. You sound like you would.</p>
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		<title>By: Priory_of_Sion</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Priory_of_Sion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2013 00:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So is Germany even worse since they lost to the US twice? 

Please use a reasonable argument please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So is Germany even worse since they lost to the US twice? </p>
<p>Please use a reasonable argument please.</p>
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		<title>By: Priory_of_Sion</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Priory_of_Sion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2013 00:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can just read the Q&amp;As.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can just read the Q&amp;As.</p>
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		<title>By: Priory_of_Sion</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Priory_of_Sion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2013 00:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[War isn&#039;t fair.

I&#039;m pretty sure the BRL guys studied tank vs. tank combat in the ETO, that is my guess.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>War isn&#8217;t fair.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure the BRL guys studied tank vs. tank combat in the ETO, that is my guess.</p>
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