Comments on: Spiegel Online notices the “Stalin issue”

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 15 Aug 2013 01:40:39 +0000

Now Russian nationalists are free to see and discuss Russian history through rose-coloured glasses,by portraying Stalin as a saint who took on the evil Western enemies of the Russian people.

By: Kellomies

Kellomies — Wed, 14 Aug 2013 19:20:39 +0000

Oh, Stalini’s terror in Poland (for example) was fairly well known at the time, even given the obvious problems with getting reliable information. Churchill’s noted sympathy for the nation didn’t hurt ofc, and neither did the fact that with the Nazis dealt with the Democracies had no longer any reason to sugar-coat Moscow’s doings – quite the contrary. The sudden about-face in tone was a bit awkward to explain to the general public though, although it helped the moderate Left already had always had strong reservations about the USSR.

Thing is it was chump change compared to what the Nazis had already done nevermind now planned on doing later. The Polish death toll from Stalin’s repressions adds up to like a million; estimates for Nazi victims start at about five…

By: LeLeon

LeLeon — Wed, 14 Aug 2013 18:50:55 +0000

if we germans live the nationalism like the russians do we will be call nazis and rassists. truth is that russians are the real rassists here. stalin had the luck, that everyone watched hitler and so his shameful doing in poland and in russia too were out of view of the press. but if you have nothing else to think, you follow the stalin history hype. brave sheeps

By: Kellomies

Kellomies — Wed, 14 Aug 2013 17:23:24 +0000

Boo hoo. Also, no it wouldn’t. The Soviets had only recently had a very harsh object lesson in the importance of “startegic depth” and were pretty much for the rest of the state’s existence obsessed with having enough thereof that a repeat of ’41 most definitely couldn’t happen.

Didja know that after Stalin’s death Beria actually seriously suggested selling off East Germany to the West for piles of cash and other stuff direly needed to rebuild the USSR? The idea apparently didn’t draw much support among his peers…

By: Kellomies

Kellomies — Wed, 14 Aug 2013 17:16:35 +0000

On another note by the 1800s all Native Americans still alive had for obvious reasons long since developed a resistance to the formidable Eurasian pathogen battery – those who didn’t were long since plain dead.
You also don’t develop “natural immunity” to influenza; it’s one of Eurasia’s historic “big killers” and merely the three major pandemics in the 20th century killed millions worldwide – current estimates for the 1918 “Spanish flu” alone run up to a *hundred million*.

By: Kellomies

Kellomies — Wed, 14 Aug 2013 17:05:37 +0000

Eh, that was the local “Indian agents” – the guys who ran the trading posts in the reservations – cutting corners IIRC. I also seem to recall that the Army really disliked those guys, since besides constantly smuggling guns and booze to the Injuns they provoked any amount of trouble with such shady antics.

By: Kellomies

Kellomies — Wed, 14 Aug 2013 16:59:46 +0000

Which proves what exactly? That the military didn’t axe a very productive (and kind of secret and illegal) joint-research operation the second a party with strong antipathy towards Communism did well in the elections?
You don’t say.

By: Kellomies

Kellomies — Wed, 14 Aug 2013 16:56:34 +0000

I was under the impression the Church is kind of a big deal in Russia at least? ‘Course that probably doesn’t make the atheists or mere anticlericalists any happier…

By: Vladis

Vladis — Wed, 14 Aug 2013 16:26:12 +0000

i do believe that your perception of reality that is Russia is skewed by pro-western propaganda. There is no much love for Stalin in Russia and eastern block. I lived in Russia for 17 years. There is, however, extremely strong anti-theist mentality, which i am a part of. perhaps that would be the reason God With Us is not an emblem. Or perhaps the fact that poster pointed out that it wasn’t on tanks, but on belt buckles.

At this point, I would agree with a poster several post below me. I would put on Stalinist decal just to aggravate those sissypants who turn something as petty as this into an issue.

By: armando30

armando30 — Wed, 14 Aug 2013 14:39:30 +0000

“Two prototypes were built in 1928 and 1929 – one of them was sent in 1933, along with the Krupp vehicles, in secret to the Soviet Kama base near Kazan (the name “Kama” comes from the word Kazan and Marlbrandt, the commander of the base) – after all, back then, Germany and Soviet Union were close allies”

this is from the newest article on this forum and I tried to check when did Hitler rise to power
to be faster I searched on wikipedia (most of the times it isn’t the best source of information) and it said the “rise” could be considered to be on march 1933 and officially on june 1933, as you can see the prototypes were sent to russia in 1933 and I don’t think Hitler and Stalin would get into a bad relationship as soon as Hitler gained his power