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	<title>Comments on: VK6501 &#8211; the forgotten heavy tank</title>
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		<title>By: Ioan</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/08/15/vk6501-the-forgotten-heavy-tank/#comment-23645</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ioan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wrong.

Tiger is 100/80/80.
	  	  	 
Source: JENTZ, Thomas L.; Germany&#039;s TIGER Tanks - Tiger I and II: Combat Tactics; ISBN 0-7643-0225-6 

http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/Tiger1-2002-Picz/Armor_Scheme_Tiger1.png]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong.</p>
<p>Tiger is 100/80/80.</p>
<p>Source: JENTZ, Thomas L.; Germany&#8217;s TIGER Tanks &#8211; Tiger I and II: Combat Tactics; ISBN 0-7643-0225-6 </p>
<p><a href="http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/Tiger1-2002-Picz/Armor_Scheme_Tiger1.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/Tiger1-2002-Picz/Armor_Scheme_Tiger1.png</a></p>
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		<title>By: KTZV_D86</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KTZV_D86]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 06:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Made my day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Made my day.</p>
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		<title>By: Baske_74</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baske_74]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 05:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[that was the idea of this post if i read it correctly, but it&#039;s easier for WG just to switch Vk30.01h to Tier 5 and re-balance it. and put in the Proto Panther in its place.
same as E-50 and E-50M same overall model with different stats and re-shuffled internal modules.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that was the idea of this post if i read it correctly, but it&#8217;s easier for WG just to switch Vk30.01h to Tier 5 and re-balance it. and put in the Proto Panther in its place.<br />
same as E-50 and E-50M same overall model with different stats and re-shuffled internal modules.</p>
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		<title>By: Baske_74</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baske_74]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 05:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[true, but i laready have that on the Pz IV and with its mobility it can flank and derp rear and side armour. try to do that in a tank twice as big and slow. so it will turn into a slug fest with HE rounds.

i would prefer a gun with penetration and respectable alfa damage, these things were designed as breach / support tanks hence the 75 and possibly 105 derp style guns, in other words take lots of hits and destory enemy fortifications for the supporteed infantry units.

these are not in WoT, all vehicles need to destroy other combat vehicles and therefor derp style weapons only work on the lower tiers, all 105mm derp have around 50mm of penetration with HE, since most HT on T5 and upward have more then enough armour to almost (avg 80mm)

as a result all HE damage done is cut in half or outright resisted, that is not a situation i would like to be in in a Heavy tank and since T5 HT will meet up to T7 vehicles the derp is even less effective.

considering its size and armour protection the closest analog is the Churchill, so WG in my opinion can give it a high DPS gun with ok penetration and low alfa (75L70) or a gun with more alfa (88L56).

but since WG doesn&#039;t have to listen to me, we can only hope that they take pity on the German line and add some competetive vehicles and not just filler tanks or duplicates with even worse characteristics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>true, but i laready have that on the Pz IV and with its mobility it can flank and derp rear and side armour. try to do that in a tank twice as big and slow. so it will turn into a slug fest with HE rounds.</p>
<p>i would prefer a gun with penetration and respectable alfa damage, these things were designed as breach / support tanks hence the 75 and possibly 105 derp style guns, in other words take lots of hits and destory enemy fortifications for the supporteed infantry units.</p>
<p>these are not in WoT, all vehicles need to destroy other combat vehicles and therefor derp style weapons only work on the lower tiers, all 105mm derp have around 50mm of penetration with HE, since most HT on T5 and upward have more then enough armour to almost (avg 80mm)</p>
<p>as a result all HE damage done is cut in half or outright resisted, that is not a situation i would like to be in in a Heavy tank and since T5 HT will meet up to T7 vehicles the derp is even less effective.</p>
<p>considering its size and armour protection the closest analog is the Churchill, so WG in my opinion can give it a high DPS gun with ok penetration and low alfa (75L70) or a gun with more alfa (88L56).</p>
<p>but since WG doesn&#8217;t have to listen to me, we can only hope that they take pity on the German line and add some competetive vehicles and not just filler tanks or duplicates with even worse characteristics.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 02:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d rather see either the NbFz or the Italian P40 become the German tier 5 premium heavy, not another VK prototype.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d rather see either the NbFz or the Italian P40 become the German tier 5 premium heavy, not another VK prototype.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2013 21:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe this should be the tier V between the DW and the VK3601H]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe this should be the tier V between the DW and the VK3601H</p>
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		<title>By: MarkR17</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MarkR17]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2013 20:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess the 105mm howitzer is supposed to be the top gun..At tier 5, it would work.
Since it is the L/20 variant it may only fire HE. (the 105mm L/22 found in the Wespe can only fire HE either)
Not that it really needs AP I think

I still do not believe that this tank will weigh 65 tons, maybe some calculations may be necessary, but I am too dumb to do these calculations given what type of steel was used and the mass of it. Think about how you did it like when you debunked the &quot;Kleintiger&quot;

There is also an option to make this tank a premium heavy. Right now, the only premium heavy is the Löwe (the B2 is very rarely on sale or never). I am still unsure which armament it would use, but as far as I know, it was intended to use it with a derp gun.  A 75mm L/24 is too weak in tier 5 though, even in a premium tank]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the 105mm howitzer is supposed to be the top gun..At tier 5, it would work.<br />
Since it is the L/20 variant it may only fire HE. (the 105mm L/22 found in the Wespe can only fire HE either)<br />
Not that it really needs AP I think</p>
<p>I still do not believe that this tank will weigh 65 tons, maybe some calculations may be necessary, but I am too dumb to do these calculations given what type of steel was used and the mass of it. Think about how you did it like when you debunked the &#8220;Kleintiger&#8221;</p>
<p>There is also an option to make this tank a premium heavy. Right now, the only premium heavy is the Löwe (the B2 is very rarely on sale or never). I am still unsure which armament it would use, but as far as I know, it was intended to use it with a derp gun.  A 75mm L/24 is too weak in tier 5 though, even in a premium tank</p>
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		<title>By: Platypusbill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Platypusbill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And while the basic concept of the 907 is the same, the weird slopes distinguish it a lot from the rest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And while the basic concept of the 907 is the same, the weird slopes distinguish it a lot from the rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Kellomies</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kellomies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With that rounded mantlet thing I&#039;d be surprised if that part was meaningfully weaker than the rest of the front.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With that rounded mantlet thing I&#8217;d be surprised if that part was meaningfully weaker than the rest of the front.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2013 16:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another bad at math the fcm also is quite a bit larger and ill reiterate this linear increases in length width and height mean exponential increases in volume including armor plates the fcm char2c was LWH 10.2, 3, 4.09meters meaning 126 cubic meters of volume or about 40 cubic meters more than the KT. 40 cubic meters is about the same size as a room in ahouse thats 12sq meters or 128 sqft]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another bad at math the fcm also is quite a bit larger and ill reiterate this linear increases in length width and height mean exponential increases in volume including armor plates the fcm char2c was LWH 10.2, 3, 4.09meters meaning 126 cubic meters of volume or about 40 cubic meters more than the KT. 40 cubic meters is about the same size as a room in ahouse thats 12sq meters or 128 sqft</p>
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