Comments on: 45 years ago, 21.8.1968…

By: Kellomies

Kellomies — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 21:41:15 +0000

Apparently they seriously considered a similar intervention when Solidarity started acting up in Poland. IIRC the verdict from the military analysts was quite simply that *it wouldn’t succeed*, and Kremlin concluded their Polish satellite regime had to sink or swim on its own.

By ’89 there seem to have been a rather few people left willing to try seriously defending the system all around.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 09:09:26 +0000

я думаю асу-85 будет в ветке со су-152 “Таран” например такая ветка асу-57(6лвл)-асу-85(7лвл)-су100р(8лвл)-су-152р(9лвл)-су–152 “Таран”(10лвл)

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 08:35:37 +0000

Actually, I think that the democratic rights of people should include the right to cancel democracy by vote.

In this case: if it hadn’t been Hitler, it would have been someone else. The circumstances of the time gave rise to war, not one person. Sure, someone other than Hitler might not have gassed Jews, but maybe he had gassed Poles. Nobody can know.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 08:27:11 +0000

“But Poland was the first attacked country.”
You might be missing the Czechs there…

By: FeniX667

FeniX667 — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 06:38:48 +0000

Yes, that’s true. I admit this is another point of my country’s history I am ashamed of. Although we didn’t cooperate with Germans, we used moment of tragedy our neighbor had. But reminding of others faults is like neverending story – now I could say Czechs did pretty much the same in 1919 when both countries were still very young, and you could remind of our mistakes, wars and etc., for as long as much we know history. It shows us how much faults of our past affects common people today, even if they don’t know each other at all. Don’t get me wrong – I don’t want our history to bo forgotten or corrupted, I’d like us to speak about it, and then drink beer or vodka together, despite differencies we have. I really don’t mind spending time with some German or Russian or anyone, until we both know that whatever happend in those shit times, it does not change our attitude towards each other. But I know this idea is so hard in realization, that I may be shitstormed from every side, even folks from my own country, which will say I am traitor or something.

By: xCaptainObviousx

xCaptainObviousx — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 06:35:35 +0000

Nice info there Anon but the ASU-85 mounts the 85 mm D-70, not D-48. The D-70 have a shorter barrel so the penetration of the AP and APCR will be lower.

I was also trying to see how it would preform ingame as many gun don’t have their historical penetration values.

By: URrik81

URrik81 — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 05:23:53 +0000

What shame do you mean?
Is Alexander Dubček was not a communist?
Communism has many faces, it’s such true as true that not all liberals are like Robespierre.

By: Bogdan

Bogdan — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 04:18:05 +0000

But what he got was…
Anyway, at that time, there was too much shit being thrown around for anybody to escape “clean”…

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 21 Aug 2013 22:13:28 +0000

SPMBT has the 85mm D-48 gun as
AP: 190mm pen
Sabot: 250mm pen
HEAT: 200mm pen

57mm CH-51m gun (on ASU-57) has
AP: 110mm pen
Sabot: 160mm pen
HEAT 110mm pen

Note: SPMBT does not distinguish between APDS and APCR. The shells in question are almost certainly APCR.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 21 Aug 2013 21:51:34 +0000

Some people just prefer to live in the past and be oblivious to everything around them.