Comments on: Buff My Tank: Jagdpanzer IV

By: Chz

Chz — Thu, 05 Sep 2013 08:27:49 +0000

DPM is too low? It has the best DPM of any Tier 6 Tank Destroyer already! Slightly ahead of the AT8 with the 75/L70 and the 88/L56 is in a class of its own (over 2400 DPM – at Tier 6!).

It’s to make up for the fact that it has the worst pentration of the lot, I grant you. But you can’t tell us it needs a DPM buff when it’s *DOUBLE* that of an M36.

By: missingturret

missingturret — Thu, 05 Sep 2013 00:07:44 +0000

The only real knock against the Jagdpanzer IV in its current WoT configuration is the lack of a gun that can punish tier 7 heavies. Other than that, its very mobile, well camouflaged, sees reasonably well and is, in general, a great TD if you know how to fight from distance.
HOWEVER, the 88L71 could cure the lack of response to tier 7 heavies… in which case, I would buy two Jagdpanzers. Actually, I lied. I’d buy three. With the accuracy and power of that gun, no tank faced by the Jagdpanzer is safe. So, SerB, please???
(even though anticipating “how terrible”) :P

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 22:59:44 +0000

Hence the idea to mount the gun in the rear of the vehicle, which was considered but never actually done on this vehicle (though surprisingly it was sort-of done on the Dicker Max, which was derived from the Panzer IV chassis).

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 22:57:08 +0000

The one thing that REALLY annoyed me about the Jagdpanzer IV is that…well…you have to either upgrade the suspension or buy enhanced suspension for 300,000 credits to be able to mount anything other than the stock equipment. There’s also the fact that in terms of armament, it’s no better than a medium tank (a ROF buff would be nice, but as it is now the DPM is too low).

That being said, since the L71 had a different shape for the hull (due to the fighting compartment being in the rear), it either a) won’t be implemented (due to WG’s selectiveness regarding historical accuracy), or b) will be turned into a premium vehicle a tier up (Jagdpanzer IV mit 88 mm KwK 42 L/71), at which point it’ll actually be pretty decent, with a gun equivalent to the top guns on both of the Tigers, giving a gun with decent accuracy, penetration and alpha.

True, it still wouldn’t be as good as the SU-122-44 (I have that one, and even I think it’s OP, or maybe I’m just that good to routinely kill tier IX tanks despite being outnumbered), but it’ll be decent, and a cheaper alternative to the JT88 but with the same gun.

Actually…that means it probably wouldn’t be implemented as a premium vehicle either, since it would essentially be a cheaper JT 88 with the exact same gun, but a tier lower and with worse armor, since WG would want you to buy the JT88 instead (not a bad investment, since surprisingly the JT88 gets the second-highest credit earnings, statistically speaking, on the entire NA server, second only to the Type 59, most likely because the ammunition is relatively cheap and the high ROF gives it a high DPM- it just has a learning curve to get used to)

By: Kellomies

Kellomies — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 16:50:29 +0000

The front-heaviness problems were present already in the upgunned basic Pz IVs, so it’s hardly surprising the derived Jadgpanzer which carried an even heavier gun further forward had persistent issues.

By: ChielScape

ChielScape — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 15:33:09 +0000

Forty-third!

By: WorldsDawn

WorldsDawn — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 14:49:02 +0000

I want moar gun depression on my JPII ;P

By: Robert Livingston

Robert Livingston — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 13:01:32 +0000

Historical reports indicate the Jagdpz IV was nose heavy, and tended to wear out the front bogies.. Consequently, the Germans changed to steel-rimmed wheels up front, but the nose heaviness also caused difficulty steering. A further disadvantage was that slewing movements to aim the gun could result in final drive gears being stripped, rendering the vehicle inoperable. This was caused by a shortage of the proper materials with which to manufacture heat-treated gears; these minerals (such as chromium, vanadium, etc.) were allocated to armor and projectiles. Final-drive gear failure plagued many late-war German armored vehicles.

By: Silty

Silty — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 12:28:07 +0000

Ok, to each his own. I honestly though the problem was the choice between low damage/DPM and low penetration – either you use a weapon that penetrates and does pathetic damage for a TD, or you use a weapon that doesn’t even penetrate without spamming premium ammunition.

By: anonus

anonus — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 12:17:12 +0000

Funny, because my experience is that the main problem of the Jagdpanz IV is the gun depression. Often you have to show you whole hull to be able to shoot at enemy, because of the lack of depression. Next is reverse speed.
But then again I don’t complain about -3 degrees of Chinese WZ-120 and 121, so go figure.