Comments on: Upcoming tier 5 German TD – Sfl.IVc

By: TigerMoth

TigerMoth — Fri, 06 Sep 2013 20:02:58 +0000

Aye, I think I will start saving my pennies for their take on tanking. I imagine that they will already be looking at the things the WoT community moan about and, if possible, address those in their game.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 05 Sep 2013 23:56:06 +0000

Who cares? At least I have another tank to hold Raves in when I’m not using them! :P

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 05 Sep 2013 19:31:01 +0000

kellomies wtf?

You still did not get is and you logic is also flawed. It doesnt matter if the “producers” of something are working under a capitalist or communist system. They all want to produce somthing and get money, resources whatever…so they will always try to shine.
And especially in a state founded business like railways, television or armed forces…there is no real difference between those systems.
So no there is no reason to believe the soviert number more than others. What you always need are the basic assumptions for those tests done by each country. And you cant mix them together.

P.S: And you are also here mixing producers and the state administration. (another logic flaw)

By: Torx

Torx — Thu, 05 Sep 2013 18:14:51 +0000

I wrote a big post and I hit back so I don’t have the patience to rewrite again the whole thing. But the gist of it was, why does it matter where the crew is when in game they act like spaced armor with 0 armor (that’s how I remember, could be wrong)?

By: Kellomies

Kellomies — Thu, 05 Sep 2013 18:03:33 +0000

I recommend taking a closer look at the Alecto, in the garage or Tank Viewer according to preference. Seems pretty obvious and intuitive where the crew is located what with those seats and all.
Same thing with most such things really, it’s only the few “open deck” SPGs (mostly loe to middle tier Soviets) where intuitive visual cues are lacking – but then those have little more than safety rails around the “gun deck” anyway. The SU-14-1 kinda reminds me of the old Sveaborg coastal batteries actually, or some kind of railway artillery setup…

By: Torx

Torx — Thu, 05 Sep 2013 16:58:41 +0000

It’s sort of the same story with the alecto, except there it’s even worse, it’s the equivalent of people sitting on top of a hetzer,outside of it. This would have a gun, and from the pictures you can see a small shield, so you can only assume people are right on the other side of the shield.

What I’m trying to say is, if they just removed the shields it would be a much more pleasant tank, and it has precedents, tanks like the alecto that have their crew basically completely outside of their tanks, and a rather similar story for the renault 57ue… But they chose to make a box and this is what I’m talking about, it’s completely unnecessary, and unhistorical at the same time.

By: Kellomies

Kellomies — Thu, 05 Sep 2013 16:09:21 +0000

Those have at least SOME kind of indicator where the people probably are, in the form of some kind of gunshield or sidewall or whatever. This would basically be the gun and then a whole lot of empty rear deck.

I daresay it’d come across as pretty fucking stupid.

By: Torx

Torx — Thu, 05 Sep 2013 14:12:34 +0000

Look at the hitboxes of the alecto and you will find that there are invisible people modelled. And I found this out because my commander kept dying despite the fact that I was never hit…

By: Kellomies

Kellomies — Thu, 05 Sep 2013 13:13:34 +0000

*shrug* The alternative is basically to have the gun crew as invisible critical hitboxes in the thin air behind the gun. I think you can ‘see’ the problem.

By: Torx

Torx — Thu, 05 Sep 2013 12:44:35 +0000

We are talking about how they are implemented in the game, right?
Are the gw panther as well as the US arties used unhistorically? Yes.
Does that influence how they play in the game? In the case of the gw panther, yes, a little, but it has a very wide arc of fire and it’s not that much of a bother really (it has 90 degrees horizontal traverse IIRC).

Now we have this thing, which will be much closer to the frontline and as such it’s more probable for it to actually take enemy fire. So, you are playing in something with the profile of a box. So they made it big AND vulnerable, when they could have just made it just vulnerable. It will probably be compensated by a greater RoF but it will still be an annoying tank. Again, I’m talking about the options they had to implement it in the game, that’s where it matters. They could just make it without the massive platforms up and still give it limited traverse, and that would be better imho…