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	<title>Comments on: Soviet Schoolchildren v. Finland</title>
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		<title>By: Kellomies</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/09/11/soviet-schoolchildren-v-finland/#comment-40176</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 14:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve heard that one too, and it sounds like bullshit if you ask me. As if the Soviets couldn&#039;t build mills of their own as needed or had some kind of shortage of forest - and they sure seemed to manage right fine despite our recapture of the yielded territories in &#039;41, so can&#039;t have been very important.

No, the whole thing with Karelia was all about that standing obsession of Russian strategists, the security of St. Petersburg/Leningrad, which concern is as old as the city itself. The &#039;20 border was virtually in the suburbs of the city which obviously made the Soviets a bit uncomfortable. Do note the other relevant territorial concessions the Soviets walked away with: the scattered islands in eastern Gulf of Finland smack in the middle of the sea approaches to the Neva delta and the lease of the Hanko peninsula for fifty years, the base there serving to in combination with the Baltic possessions to the south to exercise control in depth over the Gulf sealanes. (This was replaced by a for all intents and purposes identical lease of the Hanko peninsula in &#039;45, which was close enough to Helsinki to also serve the purposes of intimidation should such be necessary.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard that one too, and it sounds like bullshit if you ask me. As if the Soviets couldn&#8217;t build mills of their own as needed or had some kind of shortage of forest &#8211; and they sure seemed to manage right fine despite our recapture of the yielded territories in &#8217;41, so can&#8217;t have been very important.</p>
<p>No, the whole thing with Karelia was all about that standing obsession of Russian strategists, the security of St. Petersburg/Leningrad, which concern is as old as the city itself. The &#8217;20 border was virtually in the suburbs of the city which obviously made the Soviets a bit uncomfortable. Do note the other relevant territorial concessions the Soviets walked away with: the scattered islands in eastern Gulf of Finland smack in the middle of the sea approaches to the Neva delta and the lease of the Hanko peninsula for fifty years, the base there serving to in combination with the Baltic possessions to the south to exercise control in depth over the Gulf sealanes. (This was replaced by a for all intents and purposes identical lease of the Hanko peninsula in &#8217;45, which was close enough to Helsinki to also serve the purposes of intimidation should such be necessary.)</p>
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		<title>By: Kellomies</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kellomies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 13:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Only crude arithmetic indicated anything like that. The military reality on the ground was that besides the mind-bogglingly deplorable state of the Red Army in &#039;39 the terrain was well-nigh the worst possible for the kind of mobile mechanised warfare it was configured and trained for, whereas conversely the Finnish army was very much specialised for the conditions - the Germans later had very similar issues, and their showing in Finland was lackluster at best.
Moral of the story: tanks an&#039; shit aren&#039;t that hot in trackless forests.

The Soviets obviously had far more reserves and were about to win by sheer attrition anyway (plus Timoshenko&#039;s emergency reforms rather improved troop performance) but at that point the looming threat of Franco-British intervention drove them to the negotiation table. IIRC by that time the Finnish army didn&#039;t expect to be able to hold on for more than a few weeks longer at best.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only crude arithmetic indicated anything like that. The military reality on the ground was that besides the mind-bogglingly deplorable state of the Red Army in &#8217;39 the terrain was well-nigh the worst possible for the kind of mobile mechanised warfare it was configured and trained for, whereas conversely the Finnish army was very much specialised for the conditions &#8211; the Germans later had very similar issues, and their showing in Finland was lackluster at best.<br />
Moral of the story: tanks an&#8217; shit aren&#8217;t that hot in trackless forests.</p>
<p>The Soviets obviously had far more reserves and were about to win by sheer attrition anyway (plus Timoshenko&#8217;s emergency reforms rather improved troop performance) but at that point the looming threat of Franco-British intervention drove them to the negotiation table. IIRC by that time the Finnish army didn&#8217;t expect to be able to hold on for more than a few weeks longer at best.</p>
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		<title>By: Kellomies</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kellomies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 13:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Karl-Geräts were at least useful for heavy siege work and while like any superheavy artillery piece a pain to shift around - that had changed little from the &quot;fife musket and drum&quot; days when the slow siege trains moved separately from the armies proper - not unacceptably so, unlike the gigantic railway guns which amounted to little more than gratuitious showcases of the ordinance engineer&#039;s craft.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl-Geräts were at least useful for heavy siege work and while like any superheavy artillery piece a pain to shift around &#8211; that had changed little from the &#8220;fife musket and drum&#8221; days when the slow siege trains moved separately from the armies proper &#8211; not unacceptably so, unlike the gigantic railway guns which amounted to little more than gratuitious showcases of the ordinance engineer&#8217;s craft.</p>
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		<title>By: Not SerB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Not SerB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 11:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Was the Goliath supposed to carry people?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was the Goliath supposed to carry people?</p>
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		<title>By: oldfart</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/09/11/soviet-schoolchildren-v-finland/#comment-39807</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 09:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[USSR
First world.
Gr8b8m8]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>USSR<br />
First world.<br />
Gr8b8m8</p>
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		<title>By: Tankfriend</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tankfriend]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 09:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You don&#039;t. Because in Soviet Russia, Land Torpedo signs up you. :P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t. Because in Soviet Russia, Land Torpedo signs up you. :P</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 09:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ooops:

http://www.tankmuseum.org/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ooops:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tankmuseum.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tankmuseum.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 09:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For all you need to learn about the German versions... go here and seach for Goliath ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all you need to learn about the German versions&#8230; go here and seach for Goliath ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 09:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For all you need to know about the German models:


http://www.tankmuseum.org/ixbin/indexplus?_IXSS_=_IXMENU_%3d%26ALL%3dGoliath%26_IXACTION_%3dsummary%26%252asform%3d%252fsearch_form%252fbovtm_combined%26_IXSESSION_%3d8NNkuXniqdA%26TYPE%3darticle%26_IXFPFX_%3dtemplates%252fsummary%252f&amp;_IXFIRST_=2&amp;_IXSPFX_=templates/full/tvod/t&amp;_IXMAXHITS_=1&amp;submit-button=summary&amp;_IXSESSION_=8NNkuXniqdA&amp;_IXMENU_=Vehicles

http://www.tankmuseum.org/ixbin/indexplus?_IXSS_=_IXMENU_%3d%26ALL%3dGoliath%26_IXACTION_%3dsummary%26%252asform%3d%252fsearch_form%252fbovtm_combined%26_IXSESSION_%3d8NNkuXniqdA%26TYPE%3darticle%26_IXFPFX_%3dtemplates%252fsummary%252f&amp;_IXFIRST_=1&amp;_IXSPFX_=templates/full/tvod/t&amp;_IXMAXHITS_=1&amp;submit-button=summary&amp;_IXSESSION_=8NNkuXniqdA&amp;_IXMENU_=Vehicles]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all you need to know about the German models:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tankmuseum.org/ixbin/indexplus?_IXSS_=_IXMENU_%3d%26ALL%3dGoliath%26_IXACTION_%3dsummary%26%252asform%3d%252fsearch_form%252fbovtm_combined%26_IXSESSION_%3d8NNkuXniqdA%26TYPE%3darticle%26_IXFPFX_%3dtemplates%252fsummary%252f&#038;_IXFIRST_=2&#038;_IXSPFX_=templates/full/tvod/t&#038;_IXMAXHITS_=1&#038;submit-button=summary&#038;_IXSESSION_=8NNkuXniqdA&#038;_IXMENU_=Vehicles" rel="nofollow">http://www.tankmuseum.org/ixbin/indexplus?_IXSS_=_IXMENU_%3d%26ALL%3dGoliath%26_IXACTION_%3dsummary%26%252asform%3d%252fsearch_form%252fbovtm_combined%26_IXSESSION_%3d8NNkuXniqdA%26TYPE%3darticle%26_IXFPFX_%3dtemplates%252fsummary%252f&#038;_IXFIRST_=2&#038;_IXSPFX_=templates/full/tvod/t&#038;_IXMAXHITS_=1&#038;submit-button=summary&#038;_IXSESSION_=8NNkuXniqdA&#038;_IXMENU_=Vehicles</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.tankmuseum.org/ixbin/indexplus?_IXSS_=_IXMENU_%3d%26ALL%3dGoliath%26_IXACTION_%3dsummary%26%252asform%3d%252fsearch_form%252fbovtm_combined%26_IXSESSION_%3d8NNkuXniqdA%26TYPE%3darticle%26_IXFPFX_%3dtemplates%252fsummary%252f&#038;_IXFIRST_=1&#038;_IXSPFX_=templates/full/tvod/t&#038;_IXMAXHITS_=1&#038;submit-button=summary&#038;_IXSESSION_=8NNkuXniqdA&#038;_IXMENU_=Vehicles" rel="nofollow">http://www.tankmuseum.org/ixbin/indexplus?_IXSS_=_IXMENU_%3d%26ALL%3dGoliath%26_IXACTION_%3dsummary%26%252asform%3d%252fsearch_form%252fbovtm_combined%26_IXSESSION_%3d8NNkuXniqdA%26TYPE%3darticle%26_IXFPFX_%3dtemplates%252fsummary%252f&#038;_IXFIRST_=1&#038;_IXSPFX_=templates/full/tvod/t&#038;_IXMAXHITS_=1&#038;submit-button=summary&#038;_IXSESSION_=8NNkuXniqdA&#038;_IXMENU_=Vehicles</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 09:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The germans did have the remote control tracked mine... there is one in the museum at bovingdon... it was innefective due to remote controls in those days were wired so range was an issue, they were slow, got stuck and the soldiers hated using them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The germans did have the remote control tracked mine&#8230; there is one in the museum at bovingdon&#8230; it was innefective due to remote controls in those days were wired so range was an issue, they were slow, got stuck and the soldiers hated using them.</p>
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