Comments on: Salfetkoruzhiye: GABTU’s Lost SPG

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 27 Sep 2013 21:27:44 +0000

And it’s tier 10. We’re talking about a possible tier 8 with a tier 10 gun.

By: EnsignExpendable

EnsignExpendable — Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:38:24 +0000

The 183 gets a turret, though. That’s a pretty big advantage for a tank destroyer.

By: EnsignExpendable

EnsignExpendable — Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:37:04 +0000

Even T-34s performed indirect fire when needed. They had to have a hill to help them angle, though.

By: estXcrew

estXcrew — Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:34:58 +0000

Is that a SU100Y with the box on an axis? We’re all fucked!

By: nesomumi

nesomumi — Fri, 27 Sep 2013 15:30:53 +0000

i bet it would ding t-50-2 in the ass!

By: Vlevs

Vlevs — Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:48:19 +0000

Just tried to outline why it is a bad idea from gameplay perspective. The gun is already in the game fixed to tier X arty, Object 261, which does have AP shell, pen 360. If it gets direct sights, AP would be very very useful indeed, because every direct hit is guaranteed to inflict nominal damage, especially with that pen. This I find acceptable and am working towards that specific gun.

On the other hand, putting a tier X arty gun into tier VIII premium TD…

By: Captian Nemo

Captian Nemo — Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:38:32 +0000

Nobody in their right mind would make it a TD… as for penn then the Grille, Hummel, M41 etc… would need a Buff to their penn. Stop your false panic and go relax a little.
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This “thing” would NEVER shoot AP and nobody would use it. Its a very tall unarmored box that dies very very quickly. Think like a Hummel or Grille but even more useless.

By: Vlevs

Vlevs — Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:35:26 +0000

You have just given a whole new definition to term “weakspot”, now meaning any part of tank armor that isn’t >60 mm thick at >70° angle.

By: Captian Nemo

Captian Nemo — Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:34:32 +0000

Nobody would use AP in this. Secondly 2 rounds per min would be fine. Anyone in their right mind would use HE. But I think the damage would be closer to 1200-1500 a shot. 15cm (Hummel) and 155mm (Pick almost any of them) both do 1100 already.

By: Vlevs

Vlevs — Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:31:53 +0000

Oh, you seriously claim you don’t get it? Let’s break it down.

Best TD gun of tier X: British 183 mm L4. RoF: 2 RPM (!), Pen 310, Dmg 1150. Your gun: 2 RPM, Pen 356 (the buff), Dmg 1100. Same RoF, same DPM, wayy higher Pen and essentially same alpha – adjusted for tier, it’s ~35% higher actually, nearly comparable to 183′s HESH. This dmg and pen come without the typical drawbacks: unreliability of HESH, angle-hating HEATmechanics or range-hating APCR mechanics. Oh, and it gets overmatch against up to 60 mm armor. Not to mention, at reasonable credit cost AND high profits AND low repair costs.

This is compared the TD that is loathed by some for its apocalyptic alpha and ridiculous pen – at tier X. Put that gun on tier VIII and you have a machine that can completely ignore armor and one-shot a good portion of tanks it comes across at any range. Lack of armor isn’t that much of an issue for a TD that can completely ignore armor and deal its own HP in damage with every shot reliably. Casemate doesn’t stop TD from being good unless played abysmally badly.

This arty-with-sniper scope would completely ruin everyone who relies on armor even on tier X. And it would be immediately accessible to anyone (no tier X grind required).

For comparison: SU-122-44 has 15 hp/ton vs SU-100Y’s 14 hp/ton, which this would be very close to. Hardly a bad mobility.

Tier VIII. Seriously.