Comments on: Buff My Tank: KV-1S/IS

By: Vlevs

Vlevs — Mon, 07 Oct 2013 10:07:47 +0000

As said, German guns weren’t actually test fired. Figures given for them are estimates calculated based on older Soviet uncapped AP shells. This disregards that German AP shells were different, giving better penetration for energy and better velocity over range. These were Armor-Piercing Capped Ballistic Cap shells, also known as Pzgr. 39. Soviets partially moved to this shell type over late-war years.

This is evidenced by German short 88′s performance figures closely matching to older uncapped shells used in early war. Later APCBC shells for the gun give better performance.

By: hah

hah — Sun, 06 Oct 2013 16:21:49 +0000

oh wait, did i say nerf? i meant “rebalance” just like the VK36.01H got “rebalanced”

By: hah

hah — Sun, 06 Oct 2013 16:20:41 +0000

a buff to the KV1s??? really???? Fuck off!!!! it needs a huge nerf and preferential MM , like from tier 6 above only!

By: Mo

Mo — Sun, 06 Oct 2013 15:14:51 +0000

The Soviet data on that table are confirmed by other archive data. It’s the foreign data which doesn’t match any other source. Take for example the 85mm APBC, 57mm APCR and German 75mm AP Model 40. In yugo data they all penetrate the same about 100-105mm at 1000m. It’s not about hard or soft armor either as yugo tested against both hard T-34 armor and soft Sherman armor and the test results were all the same. Look at the table German 75mm M40 only penetrates 74mm. What gives with that disparity?

By: Vlevs

Vlevs — Sun, 06 Oct 2013 07:46:22 +0000

So I was right. Quit ye trolling, didn’t say they don’t count. Rather that I know western tests way better than eastern and none of them give such results. Is that to say that western sources consistently and intentionally exaggerate German gun performance?

Any links to actual Kubinka and Gorohovets test tables?

By: EnsignExpendable

EnsignExpendable — Sun, 06 Oct 2013 02:59:59 +0000

Tests at Soviet proving grounds, like at Kubinka and Gorohovets, and such. Oh, wait, they’re not Western, so you don’t think they count.

By: EnsignExpendable

EnsignExpendable — Sun, 06 Oct 2013 02:58:41 +0000

Sweet racism bro.

By: PeanutFly

PeanutFly — Sat, 05 Oct 2013 22:14:08 +0000

Oh, it existed all right, just look through EE’s articles…

By: PeanutFly

PeanutFly — Sat, 05 Oct 2013 22:10:45 +0000

yes, yes she is

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 05 Oct 2013 09:39:09 +0000

a few reasons it doesnt proof much:
- ferdinand was 100mm armor with 100mm welded on top of it, so MUCH weaker as 200mm plate (more like 150-160mm if it was 1 piece of steel)

exanmple (too lazy to get my mechanic book and read it all over again) but it comes down to: 1 homogenus plate is much more resist to all sorts of bending and twisting as 2 plates on top of eachother, no matter it its wood, steel or whatever, and also the way its connected doesnt matter (glue, screws, welds) it keeps weaker

- that ferdinand was most likely put on fire, and fire destroys steel fast, very fast, a steel structure looses 90% of its strenght of heated too 800 degrees (c), which is easy reached by an engine fire, a lot fo strength will be gained back when it cools down, but it will most likely become brittle, welde might crack or weaken due to thermal expansion + the quality of the steel drops

ps: it even depends on the type of steel, i know from construction work that pre-stressed steel bars, once heated above xxx degress (c) loose virtually ALL strength once cooled down.

so instead of 200mm high quality armor it was more like 150-170mm armor with doubtfull quality + big chance they shot multiple times and all in all it doesnt say much