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	<title>Comments on: Ardeer Aggie &#8211; the other Churchill AVRE</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Oct 2013 03:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually it obliterated the dam, and completely shut it&#039;s output though the casualty was heavy for the operation.

The problem was that the Allied did not follow it up, Speer wrote that while the Allied destroyed the dam they didn&#039;t do much  while the German was repairing it, which was a difficult work and could be easily disrupted by even low yield bombing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it obliterated the dam, and completely shut it&#8217;s output though the casualty was heavy for the operation.</p>
<p>The problem was that the Allied did not follow it up, Speer wrote that while the Allied destroyed the dam they didn&#8217;t do much  while the German was repairing it, which was a difficult work and could be easily disrupted by even low yield bombing.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Oct 2013 03:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bouncing bomb used in damn buster operation not only worked, it worked far beyond other weapon&#039;s effectiveness.

And there&#039;s a good reason why they had to resort to it,

Torpedoes don&#039;t work, because the German was not stupid enough and deployed multiple layer of anti torpedo nets to protect the damn.

Bombing the damn from above with direct impact bombs is ineffective as well because the damage is limited if you just bomb it from above owing to dam structure shape and also because of the difficulty of getting a direct hit.

They didn&#039;t develop the method and technique for the heck of it,
They did so because there were NO OTHER effective method to do so at the time]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bouncing bomb used in damn buster operation not only worked, it worked far beyond other weapon&#8217;s effectiveness.</p>
<p>And there&#8217;s a good reason why they had to resort to it,</p>
<p>Torpedoes don&#8217;t work, because the German was not stupid enough and deployed multiple layer of anti torpedo nets to protect the damn.</p>
<p>Bombing the damn from above with direct impact bombs is ineffective as well because the damage is limited if you just bomb it from above owing to dam structure shape and also because of the difficulty of getting a direct hit.</p>
<p>They didn&#8217;t develop the method and technique for the heck of it,<br />
They did so because there were NO OTHER effective method to do so at the time</p>
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		<title>By: Tigger3</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/10/08/ardeer-aggie-the-other-churchill-avre/#comment-57785</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tigger3]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2013 21:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The picture is of a standard post 1945 Churchill AVRE (based on the MkVII) with a L9 165mm gun (saw service until mid to end of 1960&#039;s).

The box at the rear is the standard stowage box fitted to the rear of the turrets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The picture is of a standard post 1945 Churchill AVRE (based on the MkVII) with a L9 165mm gun (saw service until mid to end of 1960&#8242;s).</p>
<p>The box at the rear is the standard stowage box fitted to the rear of the turrets.</p>
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		<title>By: Tigger3</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/10/08/ardeer-aggie-the-other-churchill-avre/#comment-57780</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tigger3]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2013 21:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They had a 290mm Spigot Mortar inside the RE museum years ago when I worked there so you could actually see how it was loaded, there was not room for the loader to get his head and shoulders out when the barrel was broken. 

There was a loading tray that could be used which meant no part of the loader had to be exposed - this was awkward to use so mostly they were loaded by hand, the loader only having to expose his hands and for a short time. 

Lots of myths still circulate with much getting into books about how it was loaded - mostly believing a crew member had to exit the tank to load.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They had a 290mm Spigot Mortar inside the RE museum years ago when I worked there so you could actually see how it was loaded, there was not room for the loader to get his head and shoulders out when the barrel was broken. </p>
<p>There was a loading tray that could be used which meant no part of the loader had to be exposed &#8211; this was awkward to use so mostly they were loaded by hand, the loader only having to expose his hands and for a short time. </p>
<p>Lots of myths still circulate with much getting into books about how it was loaded &#8211; mostly believing a crew member had to exit the tank to load.</p>
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		<title>By: Tigger3</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tigger3]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2013 21:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its actually in the grounds of the RE Museum, no chance of getting inside as it has long since been welded and rusted shut (I worked in the Museum in 1995)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its actually in the grounds of the RE Museum, no chance of getting inside as it has long since been welded and rusted shut (I worked in the Museum in 1995)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2013 15:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AVRE ..  love em in close combat games.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AVRE ..  love em in close combat games.</p>
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		<title>By: Kena</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kena]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2013 09:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed it was technically viable, and probably would have been somewhat effective from a military point of view, however, the scale it was at was simply too big for the time.

Ignoring the obsene material requirements, another significant issue was building the dammed thing - the only place it could feasibly be built was Canada. There you are limited to doing most building work during the summer months, however the sheer size of the final design was estimated to have taken the best part of 3 years; and that was with a sufficient level of manpower to do the building, which there probably wasn&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed it was technically viable, and probably would have been somewhat effective from a military point of view, however, the scale it was at was simply too big for the time.</p>
<p>Ignoring the obsene material requirements, another significant issue was building the dammed thing &#8211; the only place it could feasibly be built was Canada. There you are limited to doing most building work during the summer months, however the sheer size of the final design was estimated to have taken the best part of 3 years; and that was with a sufficient level of manpower to do the building, which there probably wasn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: tankdestroyer642</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tankdestroyer642]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2013 05:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Churchill is inside the barracks, and I would have to get my dad to ask the guards to let me in. But I will see what I can do :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Churchill is inside the barracks, and I would have to get my dad to ask the guards to let me in. But I will see what I can do :)</p>
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		<title>By: ket101</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ket101]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2013 05:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Barnes Wallis devised the Bouncing Bombs used in the raids on the dams in Germany.  He got a Wellington to aid in developing the bomb by pointing out that he&#039;d designed the aircraft.  He also designed the Highball bouncing bomb, a smaller version, meant to be carried two to a Mosquito, as an anti-shipping bomb.  As mentioned above, they used backspin to promote a bounce and to keep them on line.  The German bouncing bomb used a rocket booster, and no backspin.  It tended to go further than Wallis&#039; bombs, but were not as accurate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barnes Wallis devised the Bouncing Bombs used in the raids on the dams in Germany.  He got a Wellington to aid in developing the bomb by pointing out that he&#8217;d designed the aircraft.  He also designed the Highball bouncing bomb, a smaller version, meant to be carried two to a Mosquito, as an anti-shipping bomb.  As mentioned above, they used backspin to promote a bounce and to keep them on line.  The German bouncing bomb used a rocket booster, and no backspin.  It tended to go further than Wallis&#8217; bombs, but were not as accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Septfox Malkier</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Septfox Malkier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2013 02:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or the Alecto.

I have a replay here somewhere of a 580-someodd meter &quot;snipe&quot; on Sand River that takes several seconds to reach a stationary sniping T-28, its unfortunate victim.


Them derp guns, sure are inaccurate ey wot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or the Alecto.</p>
<p>I have a replay here somewhere of a 580-someodd meter &#8220;snipe&#8221; on Sand River that takes several seconds to reach a stationary sniping T-28, its unfortunate victim.</p>
<p>Them derp guns, sure are inaccurate ey wot.</p>
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