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	<title>Comments on: Possible high tier light replacement: Panzer-Aufklaerer auf E-25</title>
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		<title>By: Muerte92</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Muerte92]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Nov 2013 22:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Damn I&#039;m a lazy fuck as I said earlier, and I forgt to check your answer, I hope you somehow will notice my reply.
So if I understand you, it would have a silver HEAT ammo with 350 damage and 104mm pen, a gold HEAT with 350 damage and cca. 200mm pen and a silver HE with 410 damage and 53mm pen?
Wouldn&#039;t that standard 104mm pen a bit too low for a tier 8 light tank? I know that the 59-16&#039;s got low pen on it&#039;s tier, but at least it&#039;s got an autoloader.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn I&#8217;m a lazy fuck as I said earlier, and I forgt to check your answer, I hope you somehow will notice my reply.<br />
So if I understand you, it would have a silver HEAT ammo with 350 damage and 104mm pen, a gold HEAT with 350 damage and cca. 200mm pen and a silver HE with 410 damage and 53mm pen?<br />
Wouldn&#8217;t that standard 104mm pen a bit too low for a tier 8 light tank? I know that the 59-16&#8242;s got low pen on it&#8217;s tier, but at least it&#8217;s got an autoloader.</p>
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		<title>By: Captian Nemo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Captian Nemo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Nov 2013 04:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[HL230P30/P45 was already being stuffed into the JPanther and there was already a back log of hulls stacked 4-5 high at factory waiting for parts to complete them. I just dont see it as being a good idea to stretch supply&#039;s more then it is needed. Even the JTiger was to be produced as fast as possible. I just worry about there being enough engines to go around. The worst kink isn&#039;t the engines though it has always been the lack of transmissions when it comes to putting tanks together. At least that is what I have seen from time to time. 

I guess I am just trying to think with the times and use what ever is not in demand by other projects for the time so that this project has a chance of making it to production. If we gave it Hellcat like armor and kept the thick front plate would that be enough of a weight drop to make it work with the smaller engine? We do, ofc, with armor need to remember that alloys were lacking and armor was creeping up in thickness just to maintain protection it had offered a year earlier. Although now it would spall and crack more often. Might, because of the weakening alloyed armor, need to keep the angled armor to keep weight down. 

WG in game, has one of the TRM engines having 440hp so that could work well. And it saves some weight over the HL230P30/45.

Now we did some emails and you mentioned the 600 hp aircooled Argus engine as an alternative for the E-25(I had totally forgotten about it). There is a 550hp Argus 12LD330H engine already in the game on the VK.28.01 tank. Plus there is always the HL100 and HL101 engines that are mentioned in Panzer Tract 20-1 as being planned for the E-25.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HL230P30/P45 was already being stuffed into the JPanther and there was already a back log of hulls stacked 4-5 high at factory waiting for parts to complete them. I just dont see it as being a good idea to stretch supply&#8217;s more then it is needed. Even the JTiger was to be produced as fast as possible. I just worry about there being enough engines to go around. The worst kink isn&#8217;t the engines though it has always been the lack of transmissions when it comes to putting tanks together. At least that is what I have seen from time to time. </p>
<p>I guess I am just trying to think with the times and use what ever is not in demand by other projects for the time so that this project has a chance of making it to production. If we gave it Hellcat like armor and kept the thick front plate would that be enough of a weight drop to make it work with the smaller engine? We do, ofc, with armor need to remember that alloys were lacking and armor was creeping up in thickness just to maintain protection it had offered a year earlier. Although now it would spall and crack more often. Might, because of the weakening alloyed armor, need to keep the angled armor to keep weight down. </p>
<p>WG in game, has one of the TRM engines having 440hp so that could work well. And it saves some weight over the HL230P30/45.</p>
<p>Now we did some emails and you mentioned the 600 hp aircooled Argus engine as an alternative for the E-25(I had totally forgotten about it). There is a 550hp Argus 12LD330H engine already in the game on the VK.28.01 tank. Plus there is always the HL100 and HL101 engines that are mentioned in Panzer Tract 20-1 as being planned for the E-25.</p>
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		<title>By: Captian Nemo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Captian Nemo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Nov 2013 04:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shells for the PAW&#039;s were spin stabilized with fins. As for the recoilless rifle all of the German ones had rifling. Even those mounted on the ME 163.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shells for the PAW&#8217;s were spin stabilized with fins. As for the recoilless rifle all of the German ones had rifling. Even those mounted on the ME 163.</p>
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		<title>By: Zarax</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zarax]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2013 18:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Accuracy was pretty crappy as bullets weren&#039;t spin stabilized.
That said, it would make a decent weapon for high tier lights.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Accuracy was pretty crappy as bullets weren&#8217;t spin stabilized.<br />
That said, it would make a decent weapon for high tier lights.</p>
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		<title>By: Anony</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2013 18:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also - yes, the nerfed the everloving crap out of the mobility, for those who don&#039;t understand what I mean.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also &#8211; yes, the nerfed the everloving crap out of the mobility, for those who don&#8217;t understand what I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Anony</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2013 18:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know if I&#039;d say it&#039;s worse.  It&#039;s radically different, though, and probably not nearly as useful from a metagame standpoint.

It&#039;s pretty much now a thinly armored heavy instead of an oversized but fairly fast medium.   I think it&#039;s fun, but what was done to it is not what most people think was done to it.

Most players do not understand what was changed and how those changes affect the performance of the tank.   I&#039;ve only found a handful of players who understand how the various values interact.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s worse.  It&#8217;s radically different, though, and probably not nearly as useful from a metagame standpoint.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty much now a thinly armored heavy instead of an oversized but fairly fast medium.   I think it&#8217;s fun, but what was done to it is not what most people think was done to it.</p>
<p>Most players do not understand what was changed and how those changes affect the performance of the tank.   I&#8217;ve only found a handful of players who understand how the various values interact.</p>
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		<title>By: veri</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[veri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2013 18:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[was the shittyness of 2801 and Awfulpanther ever addressed in Q&amp;As?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>was the shittyness of 2801 and Awfulpanther ever addressed in Q&amp;As?</p>
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		<title>By: Xelos</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Xelos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2013 17:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice article!

Apanther should be a cross tank to the tier 8 panther, this new suggested tank should take the current tier7 slot with RU251 in tier 8.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article!</p>
<p>Apanther should be a cross tank to the tier 8 panther, this new suggested tank should take the current tier7 slot with RU251 in tier 8.</p>
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		<title>By: Khanwulf</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Khanwulf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2013 16:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerwurfkanone_10H64

It&#039;s an extremely interesting development that I really wish WG would be flexible on using.  The Germans actually produced several hundred of the smaller, 81mm PAW 600 version, as well as thousands of shells, but didn&#039;t get to use it much if at all.  

The main benefit would be a decent (medium) muzzle velocity, and longer barrel for higher accuracy than the usual howitzers.  The shells, however, would hit as hard as howitzer HE, because they could accommodate a higher explosive charge due to the lower G forces during firing (more gradual acceleration).  

WG has claimed &quot;no smoothbores&quot; because of the later evolution toward guided-missile gun rounds, but in this case (and a few US recoilless rifle designs) I think a clear exception could be made.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerwurfkanone_10H64" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerwurfkanone_10H64</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s an extremely interesting development that I really wish WG would be flexible on using.  The Germans actually produced several hundred of the smaller, 81mm PAW 600 version, as well as thousands of shells, but didn&#8217;t get to use it much if at all.  </p>
<p>The main benefit would be a decent (medium) muzzle velocity, and longer barrel for higher accuracy than the usual howitzers.  The shells, however, would hit as hard as howitzer HE, because they could accommodate a higher explosive charge due to the lower G forces during firing (more gradual acceleration).  </p>
<p>WG has claimed &#8220;no smoothbores&#8221; because of the later evolution toward guided-missile gun rounds, but in this case (and a few US recoilless rifle designs) I think a clear exception could be made.</p>
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		<title>By: Zarax</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zarax]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2013 13:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, pretty similar only smoothbore and lighter barrel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, pretty similar only smoothbore and lighter barrel.</p>
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