Comments on: Soviet BT tanks in combat – Part 2

By: Kellomies

Kellomies — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 23:09:34 +0000

And it was Lithuanian, or Ruthenian, or Rus, or whatever land before *that* depending on how far back you go. Could probably throw in any of the successive and long gone Iranic nomad empires of Antiquity while you’re at it…

By: Kellomies

Kellomies — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 23:05:57 +0000

That’s like saying Hungary became “Austrian” due to the 16th-century de facto union with the Habsburg lands… ie. smells of tendentious bullshit to high heavens. BTW I went and looked up the history of the territory in question: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Lviv
Whaddya know, territory changed hands quite a bit back in the day and the city itself was founded by a Ruthenian (in modern terms Ukranian or Belarusian) principality and got eventually inherited by the Lithuanian monarchy.

Somebody seems to be having a funny confusion of cencepts here.

Because by that token Finland should be Swedish as fuck given that they owned the place for, oh, over half a millenia until the Russians kicked them across the Baltic…

By: Kellomies

Kellomies — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 22:43:27 +0000

Odessa my ass (though there was one there the same year too), meant Warsaw ofc.

By: Kellomies

Kellomies — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 22:42:08 +0000

Because Poland wasn’t run by wholly homegrown Commies or anything, right. Oh and the 1881 Odessa Pogrom wants a word with you.

By: GrumpyStranger

GrumpyStranger — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 21:02:08 +0000

And then you lost even more land. Go suck on your lebensraum now.

By: GrumpyStranger

GrumpyStranger — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:59:20 +0000

It became “polish” (or polish-lithuanian, if somebody’s counting) by the grace of being a part of the lithuanian principality before the union, not by conquest. But I guess I shouldn’t really expect you to actualy know anything past some nationalistic drivel…

By: Kellomies

Kellomies — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:28:53 +0000

According o this, even more actually: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa#Soviet_preparations
The source cited for ~23k tanks at the start of Barbarossa seems to be in Russian, if that matters.

‘Course, the vast majority of the lot was severely elderly junk and worn-out as fuck to boot.

By: Kellomies

Kellomies — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:21:25 +0000

Don’t be a fuckling wimp when your neighbours are the Muscovite Tsardom, the Austrian Empire and the freakin’ Prussia in their bellicose phases.

By: Kellomies

Kellomies — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:19:17 +0000

Yeah, why ELSE would they have fought against the Poles for independence on several occasions or loathe an invader who wanted (and insofar practicalities allowed tried to) to exterminate all Slavs up to the Urals?

By: Kellomies

Kellomies — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:17:20 +0000

So remind me again, how did it originally come to be “Polish land” in the first place? The last I checked around those times ownership was negotiated at the point of the sword, and “aquiris quodocum rapis” makes for a pretty poor foundation for a moral argument against someone else grabbing you shit by superior force…