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	<title>Comments on: Wargaming kicks out Polish ESL team and replaces it with Russians</title>
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		<title>By: sander454</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sander454]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In that case I would say it was fair- well still kinda fishy why those guys were able to play, but at least they have a chance to prove themselves agaisnt Virtus team. 
Saying that post that was linked by SS is highly misleading, as it&#039;s sound like they were kicked out without any notification to make room for Virtus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In that case I would say it was fair- well still kinda fishy why those guys were able to play, but at least they have a chance to prove themselves agaisnt Virtus team.<br />
Saying that post that was linked by SS is highly misleading, as it&#8217;s sound like they were kicked out without any notification to make room for Virtus.</p>
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		<title>By: Nvincible</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/11/20/wargaming-kicks-out-polish-esl-team-and-replaces-it-with-russians/#comment-87570</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nvincible]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 21:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you mean &quot;Your opinion is very important to us&quot;.  :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you mean &#8220;Your opinion is very important to us&#8221;.  :D</p>
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		<title>By: Silentstalker</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/11/20/wargaming-kicks-out-polish-esl-team-and-replaces-it-with-russians/#comment-87547</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Silentstalker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 18:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, you are entitled to your opinion :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you are entitled to your opinion :)</p>
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		<title>By: Not Serb</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/11/20/wargaming-kicks-out-polish-esl-team-and-replaces-it-with-russians/#comment-87543</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Not Serb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 18:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The article in question is mostly fabricated provocative BS resulting from and acting as an outlet for your own prejudice.

I&#039;d personally be ashamed and apologize in a separate post instead of a small note at the bottom that barely anyone who&#039;s seen the original article is going to read, but I suppose I am not you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article in question is mostly fabricated provocative BS resulting from and acting as an outlet for your own prejudice.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d personally be ashamed and apologize in a separate post instead of a small note at the bottom that barely anyone who&#8217;s seen the original article is going to read, but I suppose I am not you.</p>
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		<title>By: Silentstalker</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/11/20/wargaming-kicks-out-polish-esl-team-and-replaces-it-with-russians/#comment-87530</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Silentstalker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I rarely go back on articles I posted. It&#039;s usually not very time effective, that&#039;s what the comments are for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rarely go back on articles I posted. It&#8217;s usually not very time effective, that&#8217;s what the comments are for.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Millard___NA</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/11/20/wargaming-kicks-out-polish-esl-team-and-replaces-it-with-russians/#comment-87528</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The_Millard___NA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Virt Pro. Wins that tournament regardless even without any mix-up. Wouldn&#039;t be surprised if they &#039;no show&#039; was an attempt by another team to game a DQ on VP knowing they couldn&#039;t beat them.

Would be curious to hear the ADMIN perspective on this. I&#039;m hoping there was something else going on we didn&#039;t see.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virt Pro. Wins that tournament regardless even without any mix-up. Wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if they &#8216;no show&#8217; was an attempt by another team to game a DQ on VP knowing they couldn&#8217;t beat them.</p>
<p>Would be curious to hear the ADMIN perspective on this. I&#8217;m hoping there was something else going on we didn&#8217;t see.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Martin</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/11/20/wargaming-kicks-out-polish-esl-team-and-replaces-it-with-russians/#comment-87526</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And yet no room left open in the OP for the possibility of it not being a conspiracy?  Conspiracy are a lot rarer than people think; they forget how many conspirators are needed to pull them off... Someone posted a comment seconds after your post with a screenshot of the playoff match between GGPR and VPRO, yet no correction, or any change at all to OP.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet no room left open in the OP for the possibility of it not being a conspiracy?  Conspiracy are a lot rarer than people think; they forget how many conspirators are needed to pull them off&#8230; Someone posted a comment seconds after your post with a screenshot of the playoff match between GGPR and VPRO, yet no correction, or any change at all to OP.</p>
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		<title>By: Silentstalker</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/11/20/wargaming-kicks-out-polish-esl-team-and-replaces-it-with-russians/#comment-87523</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Silentstalker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And I assume you didn&#039;t figure out the FTR post was posted before the post you linked to on forums... ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I assume you didn&#8217;t figure out the FTR post was posted before the post you linked to on forums&#8230; ?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SS do you intentionally mislead, or are you just so biased that you can&#039;t read?  
Exhibit a) http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/322652-is-esl-go4wot-tournament-only-for-russians/page__st__60__pid__6507272#entry6507272

The team that was &quot;screwed&quot; is happy with the result.

Most notably, what happened is that VPro was d&#039;qd wrongly (my guess is the other team refused to send invites, then claimed a no show or something).  The team that &quot;won&quot; that match play GGPR and lose. GGPR then beats KT.  Admins finally wake up, and get a hold of GGPR, letting them know that VPRO actually won their first match, so GGPR and VPRO have to do a playoff to move on.  They do and VPRO wins.  GGPR gets additional compensation for the mixup.  KT is eliminated because they lost to GGPR and possibly because they weren&#039;t reachable due to most likely logging off after losing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SS do you intentionally mislead, or are you just so biased that you can&#8217;t read?<br />
Exhibit a) <a href="http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/322652-is-esl-go4wot-tournament-only-for-russians/page__st__60__pid__6507272#entry6507272" rel="nofollow">http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/322652-is-esl-go4wot-tournament-only-for-russians/page__st__60__pid__6507272#entry6507272</a></p>
<p>The team that was &#8220;screwed&#8221; is happy with the result.</p>
<p>Most notably, what happened is that VPro was d&#8217;qd wrongly (my guess is the other team refused to send invites, then claimed a no show or something).  The team that &#8220;won&#8221; that match play GGPR and lose. GGPR then beats KT.  Admins finally wake up, and get a hold of GGPR, letting them know that VPRO actually won their first match, so GGPR and VPRO have to do a playoff to move on.  They do and VPRO wins.  GGPR gets additional compensation for the mixup.  KT is eliminated because they lost to GGPR and possibly because they weren&#8217;t reachable due to most likely logging off after losing.</p>
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		<title>By: Quineloe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Quineloe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the thread is just full of people wild guessing what happened, no one knows anything.

This is what happens when you run your 2013 tournaments as if it were 1999. No one actually watches the games, admins rely on players reporting the results and all that horribly outdated stuff we did with brood war before the new millenium

WoT is simply not on an Esports level and it is very questionable whether it will ever get there due to client limitations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the thread is just full of people wild guessing what happened, no one knows anything.</p>
<p>This is what happens when you run your 2013 tournaments as if it were 1999. No one actually watches the games, admins rely on players reporting the results and all that horribly outdated stuff we did with brood war before the new millenium</p>
<p>WoT is simply not on an Esports level and it is very questionable whether it will ever get there due to client limitations.</p>
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