Actually, I play my high tier TDs as brawlers and would only snipe when I am too slow (Tortoise lagging behind roflstomp pushes)

They rolled back at least part of the improvement they did before.

Personally I think wargaming is running a thin line here. I don’t believe them to really nerf or buff anything because of whine but because of the bottom line ie $.$$

WarThunder as competition will do the best thing for us the players. The Whole OP thing is taken WAY WAY to out of hand in my opinion. People don’t realize that even “accepted” OP tanks are statistically only a few percent ‘off’ the norm. What no one seems to understand that this really does not affect INDIVIDUAL gameplay much at all. What affects is the fact that we as players can’t accept our own failings, screw ups, and in general stupid moves in the game – and so we must blame something. WHO came up with the rule that if you screw up and get taken out in short order, that that should not be, WHO came up with the rule that in a tank game you get smacked by a big thing – that does a bleeding lot of damage that somehow its not your fault for screwing up, and must be because the other tank is OP????

The fact is 99% of OP dialog and whine is misplaced, it should be not be about the tank but about how to learn how to get better than you already are, which is hard to do if you think you already know all the answers ;)

Nerfs hurt the game as much as over buffed tanks or processes. remember this, and the only one who loses in this is not Wargaming but your time and your wallet.

Even the most accepted OP tank in the game will not pwn you in a match if you use your wits about you, which actually can be quite challenging and fun, but NOT for those who think their own tank makes them win or lose, or those of the opposing team — “they” will never get over it.

An FV183 to get a succesful shot off is not easy, most know exactely where one is on the battle field, they know that if they stay like a dear in head lights they’re gonna get smacked! but nooooo, why start learning how to take them down, just cry about it and try to get one for yourself because the tank WILL make YOU “OP” as well. Well it doesn’t!

Stats on accepted OP tanks barely affect you in an individual game (a few percent points difference over THOUSANDS of battles will not affect the outcome of ONE battle any more than sneezing at your pc while you play – what will affect you is how you react to they opposing team and how well your team plays as a team! – better learn their strengths ( and minimize them ) and their weaknesses ( and exploit them! ) then you’ll enjoy the game, and accept that tanks are different, variety is good and dumbing everything down to the same grey will make this game boring, yes even for the OP/UP whiners and gankers because by that time you’ll have no special tank to even feel it can help you in a match.

Remember the game is to have fun, you will win, and you will lose. If not its boring.

IMO the best thing that can happen to this cycle is competition to wargaming from war thunder. It won’t go away, but they’ll be less keen to gank the player base on their immaturity in dealing with a game match that does not “go” their way, so they seek to nerf the opponent and seek an OP tank for themselves, and spend away time and real $$ into a pursuit that has no end, until you get some perspective.

Guys this OP business is not much more than splitting hairs, if people wouldn’t go crazy and shift entire play away from enjoyment to “must win, must play most OP tank in “my” own opinion then match making stats would not go out of balance, which is what wargaming cares about —> our $, fun game comes second. Remember that.

Just play what you have fun with, deal with the opponents you are confronted with. Arty overpopulation would never have happened had more people just played to have fun.

Peoples basic double standards to self and others is the issue here, NOT a 5% difference in win rate of a tank or its bounce rate, or its balance of offensive vs defense.

My advice, stop arguing so much and next time you feel in a match taken by an OP tank, try to figure out what your mistake was, and what advantageous move did the other team do to take advantage of you own mistake. It might be luck, but I would wager to guess that its gonna be a mistake on you own part, which leads to the best part! You can learn to get better only from your mistakes! and getting better FEELS great, much more than getting a copy of the Jones-es tank too, so you to can gank someone – which you won’t be able to if your not good enough. Remeber stats are stats for a reason, they need a LARGE sample size to be valid, small scale – nope nada zilch!!! not applicable – which means to you and me others factors are much more important.

Have fun! Enjoy, and keep the the peace.

Let it be, its out of our control or influence.

I don’t have my own opinion on how to make every single tank in the game equally viable if you’re interested in winning the matches or doing the most damage possible. There are many tanks in the game I think suck, either due to personal taste or (possibly imagined) objective reasons. So I’m going to be a bit humble about “which way is right”.

My point is simply that if the TD nerfs make T10 even more fun to play than it is today I’m ok with it. Yes, I actually like playing T10. In my opinion and experience, excessive camping is more closely related to maps and player skill than TD’s themselves.