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	<title>Comments on: ELC Part I &#8211; Big guns on Small Tanks: ELC &#8220;Even&#8221; 4 x 120</title>
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		<title>By: Fenriswaffles</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fenriswaffles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2014 20:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, muzzlebrakes directed more of the spent propellant smoke outward and severely obscuring view after firing. I&#039;m aware. I&#039;m fairly sure Wargaming doesn&#039;t model for that when adjusting dispersion after firing though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, muzzlebrakes directed more of the spent propellant smoke outward and severely obscuring view after firing. I&#8217;m aware. I&#8217;m fairly sure Wargaming doesn&#8217;t model for that when adjusting dispersion after firing though.</p>
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		<title>By: Fishrokk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fishrokk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2014 21:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Props to a French writer using the word &quot;badass&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Props to a French writer using the word &#8220;badass&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: BasBarian1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BasBarian1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2014 13:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thx for the article, against all hope to drive a elc &#039;even&#039; with drum loaded guns :)  i just love my elc and an upgraded one would be awesome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thx for the article, against all hope to drive a elc &#8216;even&#8217; with drum loaded guns :)  i just love my elc and an upgraded one would be awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: UNDEAD_DC</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[UNDEAD_DC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2014 09:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks for that]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for that</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Ragil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Ragil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2014 07:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[well... okay... I get your point :facepalm:]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well&#8230; okay&#8230; I get your point :facepalm:</p>
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		<title>By: 23r0_NA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[23r0_NA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2014 04:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I&#039;m talking about recoil I mean how much the aiming circle disperses after you take your shot without moving your aim.  A recoiless rifle would theoretically not need to readjust the sights after firing because there&#039;s little to no recoil to push it off target when firing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I&#8217;m talking about recoil I mean how much the aiming circle disperses after you take your shot without moving your aim.  A recoiless rifle would theoretically not need to readjust the sights after firing because there&#8217;s little to no recoil to push it off target when firing.</p>
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		<title>By: Kellomies</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kellomies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2014 22:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was under the impression gun recoil isn&#039;t really a major issue accuracy-wise when it comes to vehicular weapons - muzzle blasts and the dust and debris they kick up being the annoyances that turn up in period test reports instead, as those can impair visibility enough to make observing the fall of shot nigh-impossible and in the worst case obscure the gunner&#039;s visibility for follow-up shots. This was apparently a real pain in the butt with muzzle brakes (which greatly magnify the effect) and a major reason everyone did without whenever technically feasible.

Anyways, the last I heard recoillesses pretty much *had* to rely on chemical energy instead of kinetic for antitank work on account of kinda shitty muzzle velocities - not much point tossing kinetic penetrators at those speeds. In-game the damn things would pretty much have to shoot HEAT by default.

And I sincerely doubt WG would be any more amenable to salvo-fired multiple recoillesses than any other multi-gun arrangement...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was under the impression gun recoil isn&#8217;t really a major issue accuracy-wise when it comes to vehicular weapons &#8211; muzzle blasts and the dust and debris they kick up being the annoyances that turn up in period test reports instead, as those can impair visibility enough to make observing the fall of shot nigh-impossible and in the worst case obscure the gunner&#8217;s visibility for follow-up shots. This was apparently a real pain in the butt with muzzle brakes (which greatly magnify the effect) and a major reason everyone did without whenever technically feasible.</p>
<p>Anyways, the last I heard recoillesses pretty much *had* to rely on chemical energy instead of kinetic for antitank work on account of kinda shitty muzzle velocities &#8211; not much point tossing kinetic penetrators at those speeds. In-game the damn things would pretty much have to shoot HEAT by default.</p>
<p>And I sincerely doubt WG would be any more amenable to salvo-fired multiple recoillesses than any other multi-gun arrangement&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: stem</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2014 21:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[a whole meter of range! That&#039;s why my KV tanks can never get quite close enough to ram them!

Edit: oh you Foreignese and your putting dots where commas go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a whole meter of range! That&#8217;s why my KV tanks can never get quite close enough to ram them!</p>
<p>Edit: oh you Foreignese and your putting dots where commas go.</p>
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		<title>By: 23r0_NA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[23r0_NA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2014 21:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed.  That&#039;s the issue with recoilless rifles, as their aim doesn&#039;t shift after firing due to lack of recoil.

Of course, this could easily be solved by vehicles with recoiless rifles the same mechanics as other vehicles with conventional guns (and for vehicles with multiple recoiless rifles like this one, they would be treated the same way as autoloaders), which while not historically accurate is more or less balanced...well...sort-of, anyways.  We have enough autoloaders at higher tiers as it is.

Also, the premium ammo for all recoiless rifles would either be HEAT or a more powerful HE shell than their standard one.  In the former case it makes them viable at long range, so long as they don&#039;t hit sloped or spaced armor (good luck with that in high-tiered games, where most tanks have at least one of those).  The latter case could be similar to the HESH ammo on British tanks, and would be quite deadly against lightly-armored targets.

Basically, most vehicles with recoiless rifles would be glass cannons with very high burst damage and penetration, but with slow rates of fire (due to long reloads) and extremely limited ability to survive return fire, similar to a tank destroyer or some light tanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  That&#8217;s the issue with recoilless rifles, as their aim doesn&#8217;t shift after firing due to lack of recoil.</p>
<p>Of course, this could easily be solved by vehicles with recoiless rifles the same mechanics as other vehicles with conventional guns (and for vehicles with multiple recoiless rifles like this one, they would be treated the same way as autoloaders), which while not historically accurate is more or less balanced&#8230;well&#8230;sort-of, anyways.  We have enough autoloaders at higher tiers as it is.</p>
<p>Also, the premium ammo for all recoiless rifles would either be HEAT or a more powerful HE shell than their standard one.  In the former case it makes them viable at long range, so long as they don&#8217;t hit sloped or spaced armor (good luck with that in high-tiered games, where most tanks have at least one of those).  The latter case could be similar to the HESH ammo on British tanks, and would be quite deadly against lightly-armored targets.</p>
<p>Basically, most vehicles with recoiless rifles would be glass cannons with very high burst damage and penetration, but with slow rates of fire (due to long reloads) and extremely limited ability to survive return fire, similar to a tank destroyer or some light tanks.</p>
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		<title>By: storm4710</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[storm4710]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2014 19:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[also protyped a ELC Even 75
quad 75mm recoilless rifle setup
only link i can find

http://www.jedsite.info/tanks-echo/echo/elc_series/elc-75/elc75-intro.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also protyped a ELC Even 75<br />
quad 75mm recoilless rifle setup<br />
only link i can find</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jedsite.info/tanks-echo/echo/elc_series/elc-75/elc75-intro.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.jedsite.info/tanks-echo/echo/elc_series/elc-75/elc75-intro.html</a></p>
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