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	<title>Comments on: German Technology Exchange with Italy, Part I &#8211; Semovente B1 Bis</title>
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		<title>By: Souroy</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/05/09/german-technology-exchange-with-italy-part-i-semovente-b1-bis/#comment-147280</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Souroy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2014 07:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to say I find some things a bit strange:

It was planned that, after the B1 Ter had been finalized, the B1 Bis (on the new tanks only, not the ones already made) would have received some of the improvements such as:

- Horizontal aiming of the 75mm
- Welded driver hood (instead of casted)
- Improved Naeder system
- Either the ARL 2 turret (armored at 60mm) or a new deep drawn turret.
- Improved engine
- New cooling system for the Naeder

Plus some others modifications such as a Cotal automatic gearbox and the replacement of the 75mm by either a 105mm (from the 105mm Mle.1928 Mountain gun) or a 135mm (from the 135mm Mle.1932).

But as far as my sources knows, no B1 Bis were modified.

In 1940 with the losses of the Northern France factories there was a lack of turrets (with the APX 1 CE of the S 35 though to be used as replacement) which made that B1 Bis were produced and send to the battle without turret (a 60mm thick plate covering the hole).
As example, the B1 Bis n°505, destroyed the 22 June at Tournon-Saint-Martin, one the 11 B1 Bis of the lieutenant Bibes company:
http://www.chars-francais.net/new/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=467
Also note the additional, armored, rear fuel tank.


The 75mm was the 75mm Mle.1935 by the ABS, shortened designation: 75mm SA35.
The 75mm Mle.1929 existed but it was a fortress gun.

The APX 4 turret weighted 2570kg so by removing it a B1 Bis would indeed approach the 28t.

The B1 Ter would have been equipped with an uparmored ARL 2 turret (70mm), which is not a two-men turret but, once again, a one-man turret.
 To resume:
- ARL 2 C (40/40/60) - Somua S40
- ARL 2 (at 60mm) - Planned improved B1 Bis
- ARL 2 (at 70mm) - B1 Ter
The B 40, in its initial configuration, would have been equipped with a two man turret armed with either the 47mm Mle.1934 RF or the 47mm SA37 (plus a 105mm hull gun), it was later changed to a single 75mm in a three-men turret.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say I find some things a bit strange:</p>
<p>It was planned that, after the B1 Ter had been finalized, the B1 Bis (on the new tanks only, not the ones already made) would have received some of the improvements such as:</p>
<p>- Horizontal aiming of the 75mm<br />
- Welded driver hood (instead of casted)<br />
- Improved Naeder system<br />
- Either the ARL 2 turret (armored at 60mm) or a new deep drawn turret.<br />
- Improved engine<br />
- New cooling system for the Naeder</p>
<p>Plus some others modifications such as a Cotal automatic gearbox and the replacement of the 75mm by either a 105mm (from the 105mm Mle.1928 Mountain gun) or a 135mm (from the 135mm Mle.1932).</p>
<p>But as far as my sources knows, no B1 Bis were modified.</p>
<p>In 1940 with the losses of the Northern France factories there was a lack of turrets (with the APX 1 CE of the S 35 though to be used as replacement) which made that B1 Bis were produced and send to the battle without turret (a 60mm thick plate covering the hole).<br />
As example, the B1 Bis n°505, destroyed the 22 June at Tournon-Saint-Martin, one the 11 B1 Bis of the lieutenant Bibes company:<br />
<a href="http://www.chars-francais.net/new/index.php?option=com_content&#038;task=view&#038;id=467" rel="nofollow">http://www.chars-francais.net/new/index.php?option=com_content&#038;task=view&#038;id=467</a><br />
Also note the additional, armored, rear fuel tank.</p>
<p>The 75mm was the 75mm Mle.1935 by the ABS, shortened designation: 75mm SA35.<br />
The 75mm Mle.1929 existed but it was a fortress gun.</p>
<p>The APX 4 turret weighted 2570kg so by removing it a B1 Bis would indeed approach the 28t.</p>
<p>The B1 Ter would have been equipped with an uparmored ARL 2 turret (70mm), which is not a two-men turret but, once again, a one-man turret.<br />
 To resume:<br />
- ARL 2 C (40/40/60) &#8211; Somua S40<br />
- ARL 2 (at 60mm) &#8211; Planned improved B1 Bis<br />
- ARL 2 (at 70mm) &#8211; B1 Ter<br />
The B 40, in its initial configuration, would have been equipped with a two man turret armed with either the 47mm Mle.1934 RF or the 47mm SA37 (plus a 105mm hull gun), it was later changed to a single 75mm in a three-men turret.</p>
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		<title>By: CaptianNemo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CaptianNemo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2014 03:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Respectfully the gun of the Ter and Bis are the same. The top gun in game was never fitted to a B1, B1 Bis or B1 Ter. Which is sort of odd as when the Germans invaded there was a good 1k+ of the advanced guns available.

Second I mentioned the lack of Hull Change. I would quote myself but that seems pointless as you cant read.

Thirdly the more powerful engine you get in game is actually off the Ter.

And I think that the Ter used the same tracks as the Bis but need to check as I have not read up on the B1 for some time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Respectfully the gun of the Ter and Bis are the same. The top gun in game was never fitted to a B1, B1 Bis or B1 Ter. Which is sort of odd as when the Germans invaded there was a good 1k+ of the advanced guns available.</p>
<p>Second I mentioned the lack of Hull Change. I would quote myself but that seems pointless as you cant read.</p>
<p>Thirdly the more powerful engine you get in game is actually off the Ter.</p>
<p>And I think that the Ter used the same tracks as the Bis but need to check as I have not read up on the B1 for some time.</p>
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		<title>By: TheFishlord</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/05/09/german-technology-exchange-with-italy-part-i-semovente-b1-bis/#comment-147255</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TheFishlord]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2014 22:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not gimped at all. It can blow up anything the Germans had in real life just as well...the only vehicle the Germans had on the same tier as the B1 is the StuG III B with the 75mm derp. Everything else is tier 2 or 3.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not gimped at all. It can blow up anything the Germans had in real life just as well&#8230;the only vehicle the Germans had on the same tier as the B1 is the StuG III B with the 75mm derp. Everything else is tier 2 or 3.</p>
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		<title>By: TankaTed</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TankaTed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2014 21:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hue.</p>
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		<title>By: 23r0_NA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[23r0_NA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2014 18:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If it&#039;s in the main tree I&#039;d imagine it would be tier 4 alongside the Somua SAu-40, and so it would share the 105 mm howitzer as its top gun.  Basically, it would be like the Hetzer and StuG Ausf. B on the German tree: the Somua is slower but has troll armor (except for the tumor on top), the B1 Bis Semovent would possess less but still good armor (though it has an obvious weakspot in the frontal hull that would allow the gun to be damaged by penetrating shots) and better mobility.

If this were in the game it might actually make tier 4 more fun to play (since it seems that for the most part the only fun tier 4s that aren&#039;t premiums are tank destroyers)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s in the main tree I&#8217;d imagine it would be tier 4 alongside the Somua SAu-40, and so it would share the 105 mm howitzer as its top gun.  Basically, it would be like the Hetzer and StuG Ausf. B on the German tree: the Somua is slower but has troll armor (except for the tumor on top), the B1 Bis Semovent would possess less but still good armor (though it has an obvious weakspot in the frontal hull that would allow the gun to be damaged by penetrating shots) and better mobility.</p>
<p>If this were in the game it might actually make tier 4 more fun to play (since it seems that for the most part the only fun tier 4s that aren&#8217;t premiums are tank destroyers)</p>
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		<title>By: 23r0_NA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[23r0_NA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2014 17:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A tier 5 heavy with a 47 mm gun?  Seriously?  Unless it gets special MM so that it ONLY sees tier 5s, the gun would be worthless, and even then it&#039;s underpowered by tier 5.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A tier 5 heavy with a 47 mm gun?  Seriously?  Unless it gets special MM so that it ONLY sees tier 5s, the gun would be worthless, and even then it&#8217;s underpowered by tier 5.</p>
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		<title>By: 23r0_NA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[23r0_NA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2014 17:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So basically the B1 Bis Semovente is a tier 3 or 4 version of the stock ARL V39.  Interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So basically the B1 Bis Semovente is a tier 3 or 4 version of the stock ARL V39.  Interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Meneldil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Meneldil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2014 17:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Ter indeed had a two men turret.

Problem with the tank in game (Bis version, at least), is its awful gun. It was pretty good IRL, and is complete shit in WoT. 

That being said, I found the B1 to be pretty imba when I grinded the french heavy line. The armor made it pretty much invincible against other tier 4s. Mind you, that was two years ago, before the insane power creep that also plagues low tier tanks nowadays.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Ter indeed had a two men turret.</p>
<p>Problem with the tank in game (Bis version, at least), is its awful gun. It was pretty good IRL, and is complete shit in WoT. </p>
<p>That being said, I found the B1 to be pretty imba when I grinded the french heavy line. The armor made it pretty much invincible against other tier 4s. Mind you, that was two years ago, before the insane power creep that also plagues low tier tanks nowadays.</p>
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		<title>By: Meneldil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Meneldil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2014 17:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t be as insulting as the poster above, but yes, there&#039;s nothing B1 Ter related in the in game B1 Bis.

The hull isn&#039;t the same, the engine isn&#039;t the same, and it doesn&#039;t have the planned two-men turret either.

The only thing it&#039;s got is the 47mm, as I don&#039;t think the Ter version was supposed to receive any gun upgrade. Saddly, while it could pretty much blow up anything the germans had at the time, it&#039;s completely gimped in game.

I wish WG buffed the B1 Bis or made a tier 5 B1 Ter. This tank was probably as impressive (and unreliable) as the KV1 at the time, yet it&#039;s complete shit in game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be as insulting as the poster above, but yes, there&#8217;s nothing B1 Ter related in the in game B1 Bis.</p>
<p>The hull isn&#8217;t the same, the engine isn&#8217;t the same, and it doesn&#8217;t have the planned two-men turret either.</p>
<p>The only thing it&#8217;s got is the 47mm, as I don&#8217;t think the Ter version was supposed to receive any gun upgrade. Saddly, while it could pretty much blow up anything the germans had at the time, it&#8217;s completely gimped in game.</p>
<p>I wish WG buffed the B1 Bis or made a tier 5 B1 Ter. This tank was probably as impressive (and unreliable) as the KV1 at the time, yet it&#8217;s complete shit in game.</p>
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		<title>By: Foxton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foxton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2014 16:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was curious if the 4-man B1 could hold 4 without the turret but it seems the B1 ter had room for 5 crew (one mechanic) so presumably his place would be taken by the commander in a turretless version.

The balancing would be hard for it, tier 3 and it&#039;s armour is very strong, better than the Pz2J really and that thing&#039;s a nightmare, yet as the B1 ingame can testify, not much for tier 4 with a poor gun to back it up.

Maybe B2-style tiering? Tier 4 that only sees own-tier?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was curious if the 4-man B1 could hold 4 without the turret but it seems the B1 ter had room for 5 crew (one mechanic) so presumably his place would be taken by the commander in a turretless version.</p>
<p>The balancing would be hard for it, tier 3 and it&#8217;s armour is very strong, better than the Pz2J really and that thing&#8217;s a nightmare, yet as the B1 ingame can testify, not much for tier 4 with a poor gun to back it up.</p>
<p>Maybe B2-style tiering? Tier 4 that only sees own-tier?</p>
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