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		<title>By: Ezz</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/07/01/wargaming-versus-bots-progression/#comment-167356</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ezz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2014 01:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[:)

Proud that our efforts lead to something beyond locked threads and ROs. It was not an easy undertaking but i&#039;m glad the issue is beginning to get the attention it deserves.]]></description>
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<p>Proud that our efforts lead to something beyond locked threads and ROs. It was not an easy undertaking but i&#8217;m glad the issue is beginning to get the attention it deserves.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Mesiroff</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/07/01/wargaming-versus-bots-progression/#comment-167335</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chad Mesiroff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 22:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What you mean? You could modify it to break it, but not to circumvent it.

If it goes to res_mods you simply put images in there labled 1 - 1000. Now the Server asks what is the answer to image 900 + img 454. Img 900 is now called up in a SWF file and puts img 900 with a plus sign with img 454. The server has the answer of 900s value+454 value.

If you mes with the SWF files or images you will just break the code and it wont work. And since it is a picture of say 3 + 4 + 5 and not actual code saying 3+4+5 you cant get a bot to interpret the and do the math it has to have eyes...Well I guess you could try to have a program read and scan the letters but that would be super hard and in all reality not worth it to thew avg hacker.

Also lets say a bot company made a scanner to break the Captcha, they wouldnt release it to others as they wanna make money on it. So this would eliminate 90% of the bad bots that do nothing or ram me while I shoot.

And if they leave good bots that are &quot;green player&quot; level, well I dont care then, I welcome better players than the normal tomatoes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you mean? You could modify it to break it, but not to circumvent it.</p>
<p>If it goes to res_mods you simply put images in there labled 1 &#8211; 1000. Now the Server asks what is the answer to image 900 + img 454. Img 900 is now called up in a SWF file and puts img 900 with a plus sign with img 454. The server has the answer of 900s value+454 value.</p>
<p>If you mes with the SWF files or images you will just break the code and it wont work. And since it is a picture of say 3 + 4 + 5 and not actual code saying 3+4+5 you cant get a bot to interpret the and do the math it has to have eyes&#8230;Well I guess you could try to have a program read and scan the letters but that would be super hard and in all reality not worth it to thew avg hacker.</p>
<p>Also lets say a bot company made a scanner to break the Captcha, they wouldnt release it to others as they wanna make money on it. So this would eliminate 90% of the bad bots that do nothing or ram me while I shoot.</p>
<p>And if they leave good bots that are &#8220;green player&#8221; level, well I dont care then, I welcome better players than the normal tomatoes.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Mesiroff</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/07/01/wargaming-versus-bots-progression/#comment-167333</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chad Mesiroff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 22:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nah, go try aimbot its horrible. ANd im glad. 

Over a good amount of time you can tell bots. In fact lately though as you said I have seen greens with bots.

But if you took. Games played as the first flag and once that was tripped do a further look into. W/R+player complaints.

Most player complaints seem to do nothing. I have seen one bot who I have complained against 3 times and all 3 games had 15+ guys complain with and still nothing.

Also TBH I hate bots because they are so bad. If they made a Bot who was a true Yellow/Green I wouldnt mind so much TBH]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah, go try aimbot its horrible. ANd im glad. </p>
<p>Over a good amount of time you can tell bots. In fact lately though as you said I have seen greens with bots.</p>
<p>But if you took. Games played as the first flag and once that was tripped do a further look into. W/R+player complaints.</p>
<p>Most player complaints seem to do nothing. I have seen one bot who I have complained against 3 times and all 3 games had 15+ guys complain with and still nothing.</p>
<p>Also TBH I hate bots because they are so bad. If they made a Bot who was a true Yellow/Green I wouldnt mind so much TBH</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Mesiroff</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/07/01/wargaming-versus-bots-progression/#comment-167331</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chad Mesiroff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 22:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So a lot of people dont understand that the bot thing is a huge money scam as well.


This is a Chinese gold scam if you think of it that way. Most botters are professional account sellers, and so WG actually sdoesnt mind them, they do want to ban gold sellers as they create major problems and are usually stolen credit cards.

But a botted account thats sold actually makes WG tons of cash.

My account was stolen and heres what they do...... So they have a bunch of stolen CC`s and instead of buying HUGE $ amounts the normal way its great to do this because the money leverages itself.

Lets say they start an account and use a stolen credit card to add a Spershing a T34-3 and 2 in all 200 worth of prem stuff. This now takes 6 weeks to be reported to WG that its a bad purchase. So in the meantime they take those Prem tanks and Bot the shit out of them and these free tank drives are even better.

So after they Bot 4 weeks and now have 200 games a day at 200 xp they have 11 million XP in 4 weeks. They alternate servers of course and when roaming comes out will be to easy.

So, they now have lets say 4 T10`s and 4 Prem 8`s. They now Sell this account for 300 Dollars. It may not seem like a lot, but think 200 Dollars isnt a lot and half the people dont know its gone until after a entire quarter on there credit cards in which they lose that money to most CC fraud protect. Also they sell the account BEFORE ITS LOCKED, so then the idiot who bought it gets the account stuck for 4 tier 8 prems if it is caugth and now has to pay the stolen money because he might have sank in 200 dollars of his own being a newb baddie.

So as the CC thief this washes the money in a sense. It makes the crime take long enough A your able to make 30% more on it in just a month, where as normal stolen goods are only worth 30% of the whole price. Essentially you make 3x more dong it this way. 

So if you do this to 10 bots a month that is a cool 3k. Also you can not sell them the correct Email and just reset the account and resell it. Also you can hide the reset email to another account so they will regain control.

If I was the crook I would for instance sell the account, wait for it to get banned and payed off by the idiot and then reset the account. Then I would have 4 Tier 8`s and 4 T10`s+ whatever amount he played + a clean account that owes nothing....

So this one account can net me 300 dollars 2 times AT THE LEAST]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So a lot of people dont understand that the bot thing is a huge money scam as well.</p>
<p>This is a Chinese gold scam if you think of it that way. Most botters are professional account sellers, and so WG actually sdoesnt mind them, they do want to ban gold sellers as they create major problems and are usually stolen credit cards.</p>
<p>But a botted account thats sold actually makes WG tons of cash.</p>
<p>My account was stolen and heres what they do&#8230;&#8230; So they have a bunch of stolen CC`s and instead of buying HUGE $ amounts the normal way its great to do this because the money leverages itself.</p>
<p>Lets say they start an account and use a stolen credit card to add a Spershing a T34-3 and 2 in all 200 worth of prem stuff. This now takes 6 weeks to be reported to WG that its a bad purchase. So in the meantime they take those Prem tanks and Bot the shit out of them and these free tank drives are even better.</p>
<p>So after they Bot 4 weeks and now have 200 games a day at 200 xp they have 11 million XP in 4 weeks. They alternate servers of course and when roaming comes out will be to easy.</p>
<p>So, they now have lets say 4 T10`s and 4 Prem 8`s. They now Sell this account for 300 Dollars. It may not seem like a lot, but think 200 Dollars isnt a lot and half the people dont know its gone until after a entire quarter on there credit cards in which they lose that money to most CC fraud protect. Also they sell the account BEFORE ITS LOCKED, so then the idiot who bought it gets the account stuck for 4 tier 8 prems if it is caugth and now has to pay the stolen money because he might have sank in 200 dollars of his own being a newb baddie.</p>
<p>So as the CC thief this washes the money in a sense. It makes the crime take long enough A your able to make 30% more on it in just a month, where as normal stolen goods are only worth 30% of the whole price. Essentially you make 3x more dong it this way. </p>
<p>So if you do this to 10 bots a month that is a cool 3k. Also you can not sell them the correct Email and just reset the account and resell it. Also you can hide the reset email to another account so they will regain control.</p>
<p>If I was the crook I would for instance sell the account, wait for it to get banned and payed off by the idiot and then reset the account. Then I would have 4 Tier 8`s and 4 T10`s+ whatever amount he played + a clean account that owes nothing&#8230;.</p>
<p>So this one account can net me 300 dollars 2 times AT THE LEAST</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Mesiroff</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/07/01/wargaming-versus-bots-progression/#comment-167328</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chad Mesiroff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 22:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah bots number one function is to grind accounts full of t10`s and sell the account to newbs who just want a MAUS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah bots number one function is to grind accounts full of t10`s and sell the account to newbs who just want a MAUS.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Mesiroff</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/07/01/wargaming-versus-bots-progression/#comment-167327</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chad Mesiroff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 22:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I always thought they should have the MM show as your in a slot. Maybe not show others tiers or what tanks they are in but show a list of players names or just show it saying &quot;Placed in battle&quot; then while its matching for other tanks, have it say battle 50% filled etc...

During this time you enter the Captcha. Ok it fills then your in game. Now during the 30 sec countdown players already had 2 chances to enter captcha, if they dont it yanks them out of battle que and replaces another player. 
It can do this up to 10 secs away from battle. And if the MM has to replace a player at the 10 sec mark the timer simply pauses another 10 secs for more players to load.

I think everyone agrees they would rather wait 10-20 seconds to have a 15 v 15 game with all players ready and accounted for than get a game with 2 bots on one team and a guy eating pizza in the other.

Simply make the MM able to substitute players in and out of games.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought they should have the MM show as your in a slot. Maybe not show others tiers or what tanks they are in but show a list of players names or just show it saying &#8220;Placed in battle&#8221; then while its matching for other tanks, have it say battle 50% filled etc&#8230;</p>
<p>During this time you enter the Captcha. Ok it fills then your in game. Now during the 30 sec countdown players already had 2 chances to enter captcha, if they dont it yanks them out of battle que and replaces another player.<br />
It can do this up to 10 secs away from battle. And if the MM has to replace a player at the 10 sec mark the timer simply pauses another 10 secs for more players to load.</p>
<p>I think everyone agrees they would rather wait 10-20 seconds to have a 15 v 15 game with all players ready and accounted for than get a game with 2 bots on one team and a guy eating pizza in the other.</p>
<p>Simply make the MM able to substitute players in and out of games.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Yordanov</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alexander Yordanov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 20:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even Sony and MS cant fuck over people in EULAs.
WG cant either.

There is a REASON why a company that believes half their players are morons (and they are right) does not nuke the accounts completely.

They cant and they wont. It will end badly for WG. Simple as that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even Sony and MS cant fuck over people in EULAs.<br />
WG cant either.</p>
<p>There is a REASON why a company that believes half their players are morons (and they are right) does not nuke the accounts completely.</p>
<p>They cant and they wont. It will end badly for WG. Simple as that.</p>
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		<title>By: phdr_vrba</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[phdr_vrba]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 18:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That depends how the &quot;purchase of premium tank&quot; is described in EULA. I kinda doubt you actualy own any vritual goods in WoT, it&#039;s probably defined as provided service that can be terminated on certain grounds, at least I&#039;d specify it as such. And that&#039;s prefectly fine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That depends how the &#8220;purchase of premium tank&#8221; is described in EULA. I kinda doubt you actualy own any vritual goods in WoT, it&#8217;s probably defined as provided service that can be terminated on certain grounds, at least I&#8217;d specify it as such. And that&#8217;s prefectly fine.</p>
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		<title>By: phdr_vrba</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[phdr_vrba]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 18:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, legal contrats like that can totaly be formed by a click of a button, especially if it&#039;s common practice in matters at hand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, legal contrats like that can totaly be formed by a click of a button, especially if it&#8217;s common practice in matters at hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Xensation WOT EU</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Xensation WOT EU]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 18:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, that is exactly why pressing the buy button on amazon, ebay and wherever does not result in a VALID contract and has CONSEQUENCES, right? Because clicking buttons cannot result in valid agreements, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that is exactly why pressing the buy button on amazon, ebay and wherever does not result in a VALID contract and has CONSEQUENCES, right? Because clicking buttons cannot result in valid agreements, right?</p>
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