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		<title>By: limbonic</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/07/25/clan-rating-formula/#comment-176170</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2014 10:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WOW,  Einstein is envious on WG.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW,  Einstein is envious on WG.</p>
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		<title>By: Tinkeu</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/07/25/clan-rating-formula/#comment-176110</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tinkeu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2014 00:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How simple !
And there was me thinking: &quot; The clan rating formula must be very complicated ! &quot;
;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How simple !<br />
And there was me thinking: &#8221; The clan rating formula must be very complicated ! &#8221;<br />
;)</p>
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		<title>By: ouchthathurts</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/07/25/clan-rating-formula/#comment-176087</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ouchthathurts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2014 21:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it interesting that they don&#039;t give us the C factor in the (SR*C)^4 bit of the primary (first) equation.

But it doesn&#039;t matter. The reason they take each of the two terms to the fourth power is to give whichever one is even just a little bit larger most of the influence on the final result. I explain how this works in more detail here:
http://forum.worldoftanks.asia/index.php?/topic/42767-the-clan-rating-feature-is-now-available/page__st__20__pid__1041247#entry1041247

I&#039;ve done a quick, back-of-the-envelope analysis of the top 200 clans from the SEA server by dumping them in to a spreadsheet and just graphing it out. I didn&#039;t need to go any further that that; the obviously close correlation between average personal rating of clan members and clan rating, and the obvious lack of correlation for every other figure in the chart, make it clear that the SR*C term dominates to the point where everything else is basically unimportant. You can have a look here (scroll to the right to see the chart):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15GV_WRMyAhEV1veeckt92LrsCm1vnPWIQ1hKmh7ZPRI/edit?usp=sharing

TLDR: You want to make your clan rating higher? Don&#039;t bother playing CW or anything like that. Just start kicking members out of your clan, starting with those with the lowest PR.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that they don&#8217;t give us the C factor in the (SR*C)^4 bit of the primary (first) equation.</p>
<p>But it doesn&#8217;t matter. The reason they take each of the two terms to the fourth power is to give whichever one is even just a little bit larger most of the influence on the final result. I explain how this works in more detail here:<br />
<a href="http://forum.worldoftanks.asia/index.php?/topic/42767-the-clan-rating-feature-is-now-available/page__st__20__pid__1041247#entry1041247" rel="nofollow">http://forum.worldoftanks.asia/index.php?/topic/42767-the-clan-rating-feature-is-now-available/page__st__20__pid__1041247#entry1041247</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done a quick, back-of-the-envelope analysis of the top 200 clans from the SEA server by dumping them in to a spreadsheet and just graphing it out. I didn&#8217;t need to go any further that that; the obviously close correlation between average personal rating of clan members and clan rating, and the obvious lack of correlation for every other figure in the chart, make it clear that the SR*C term dominates to the point where everything else is basically unimportant. You can have a look here (scroll to the right to see the chart):<br />
<a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15GV_WRMyAhEV1veeckt92LrsCm1vnPWIQ1hKmh7ZPRI/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15GV_WRMyAhEV1veeckt92LrsCm1vnPWIQ1hKmh7ZPRI/edit?usp=sharing</a></p>
<p>TLDR: You want to make your clan rating higher? Don&#8217;t bother playing CW or anything like that. Just start kicking members out of your clan, starting with those with the lowest PR.</p>
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		<title>By: ouchthathurts</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/07/25/clan-rating-formula/#comment-176085</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ouchthathurts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2014 21:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hear a lot of talk about skill-based MM. I have never, ever seen a mathematically literate proposal about how to measure skill in such a system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear a lot of talk about skill-based MM. I have never, ever seen a mathematically literate proposal about how to measure skill in such a system.</p>
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		<title>By: Maciej Gorzkowski</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/07/25/clan-rating-formula/#comment-176080</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maciej Gorzkowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2014 20:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[place is campaign works only for a month decreasing linearly by 1/30 every day so it&#039;s not a big deal

PR is stupid in itself
number of tier 10 tanks doesnt really mean much above some number
number of battles lately says sth about activity of players of this clan, so clan with a lot battles played lately is more likely to have 2 or 3 teams ready at the same time.

But eGM is the only thing worth anything there]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>place is campaign works only for a month decreasing linearly by 1/30 every day so it&#8217;s not a big deal</p>
<p>PR is stupid in itself<br />
number of tier 10 tanks doesnt really mean much above some number<br />
number of battles lately says sth about activity of players of this clan, so clan with a lot battles played lately is more likely to have 2 or 3 teams ready at the same time.</p>
<p>But eGM is the only thing worth anything there</p>
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		<title>By: Waynelr</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Waynelr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2014 20:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You DO NOT want skill based MM at all.
IF (they never will) they were to implement this, you would not be jumping onto games every 20 seconds after hitting battle button.
Depending on the population of server you could get super long wait times, THEN you will still end up in the same type of battle after the internal timer is exceeded and it relaxes the criteria to fill the battle.
Also, the Tomatoes (YOU TOO were one once upon a time) would take MUCH longer to &quot;Learn&quot; how to play their respective tanks in game, effectively making the game bad, for longer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You DO NOT want skill based MM at all.<br />
IF (they never will) they were to implement this, you would not be jumping onto games every 20 seconds after hitting battle button.<br />
Depending on the population of server you could get super long wait times, THEN you will still end up in the same type of battle after the internal timer is exceeded and it relaxes the criteria to fill the battle.<br />
Also, the Tomatoes (YOU TOO were one once upon a time) would take MUCH longer to &#8220;Learn&#8221; how to play their respective tanks in game, effectively making the game bad, for longer.</p>
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		<title>By: Janez Kranjski</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Janez Kranjski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2014 19:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Place in campaign is not necessarily BS, it&#039;s not easiest to get a good ranking and practical achievement because there is a lot of competition. Similar for battles in time frame, if you have 0 for weeks your performance might drop a bit. And player PR works for high end players (if you discount team battle PR farmers). This is like clan CW rating, not how much your clan is stronku and efficient in random bob clubbing, which is really irrelevant for winning, there are different styles of play (one for just winning, highest XP, highest damage, not using gold ammo in light tanks for example etc.) . WoTlabs or noobmeter don&#039;t tell you what kind of team you are dealing with (whether it has good FCs, teamwork, tactics, how do players perform against better players etc.).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Place in campaign is not necessarily BS, it&#8217;s not easiest to get a good ranking and practical achievement because there is a lot of competition. Similar for battles in time frame, if you have 0 for weeks your performance might drop a bit. And player PR works for high end players (if you discount team battle PR farmers). This is like clan CW rating, not how much your clan is stronku and efficient in random bob clubbing, which is really irrelevant for winning, there are different styles of play (one for just winning, highest XP, highest damage, not using gold ammo in light tanks for example etc.) . WoTlabs or noobmeter don&#8217;t tell you what kind of team you are dealing with (whether it has good FCs, teamwork, tactics, how do players perform against better players etc.).</p>
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		<title>By: Janez Kranjski</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/07/25/clan-rating-formula/#comment-176060</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Janez Kranjski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2014 18:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does anyone know how do they get Ka and Kb?

Is it (unknown coefficient)*(clan&#039;s ELO rating) or something else? Where can we get unknown coefficient if that&#039;s the case?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know how do they get Ka and Kb?</p>
<p>Is it (unknown coefficient)*(clan&#8217;s ELO rating) or something else? Where can we get unknown coefficient if that&#8217;s the case?</p>
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		<title>By: Janez Kranjski</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/07/25/clan-rating-formula/#comment-176058</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Janez Kranjski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2014 18:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s easiest if you try your brain, however if you don&#039;t know enough mathemathics (how sums, exponents, functions work)  then you are screwed and need to learn that before understanding it completely. Basically whoever wrote those formulas uses things like natural exponents, 4th roots to make effects of some things increasese or decrease faster or slower - not to make too big gap.

Those &quot;mCoefficients&quot; are quite important, formulas for them are all very similar, writer/designer of formula wanted to give different importance to things like (ELO rating most, clan wars campaign result second but just little above next things, and then some things like how active players in clan are, how many top tiers the clan has and how many players).

ELO rating is basically changing relative to how much each clan wins (it increases more for underdog or new clan if it&#039;s underdog  or new clan winning against good clan or increases slower for good clan, when good elo clan wins against bad elo clan), when it&#039;s two similar clans and one wins it gives it &quot;average&quot; increase in elo (if both clans are equal is looses same as other gains).

It is not same as efficiency/performance, you don&#039;t need performance or efficiency to win, it&#039;s just winning that counts. How you get to it doesn&#039;t matter (it can be cap or some tactical deception etc.).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s easiest if you try your brain, however if you don&#8217;t know enough mathemathics (how sums, exponents, functions work)  then you are screwed and need to learn that before understanding it completely. Basically whoever wrote those formulas uses things like natural exponents, 4th roots to make effects of some things increasese or decrease faster or slower &#8211; not to make too big gap.</p>
<p>Those &#8220;mCoefficients&#8221; are quite important, formulas for them are all very similar, writer/designer of formula wanted to give different importance to things like (ELO rating most, clan wars campaign result second but just little above next things, and then some things like how active players in clan are, how many top tiers the clan has and how many players).</p>
<p>ELO rating is basically changing relative to how much each clan wins (it increases more for underdog or new clan if it&#8217;s underdog  or new clan winning against good clan or increases slower for good clan, when good elo clan wins against bad elo clan), when it&#8217;s two similar clans and one wins it gives it &#8220;average&#8221; increase in elo (if both clans are equal is looses same as other gains).</p>
<p>It is not same as efficiency/performance, you don&#8217;t need performance or efficiency to win, it&#8217;s just winning that counts. How you get to it doesn&#8217;t matter (it can be cap or some tactical deception etc.).</p>
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		<title>By: Medjed</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/07/25/clan-rating-formula/#comment-176041</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Medjed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2014 18:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why are you fucking retarded like this? Give me one fucking proof any of those clans are cheating. Otherwise stfu and gtfo pubbie. Jelly moron who can&#039;t grasp the most simplest game mechanics, therefore everyone better than me is cheater.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are you fucking retarded like this? Give me one fucking proof any of those clans are cheating. Otherwise stfu and gtfo pubbie. Jelly moron who can&#8217;t grasp the most simplest game mechanics, therefore everyone better than me is cheater.</p>
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