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By: Karika

Karika — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:41:19 +0000

It’s good to see a fellow Hun tank fan ^^

However, the Bonhardt – Sárhidai – Winkler book is far from perfect (its also 30 years old at least, so a bit outdated here and there). They probably misread a document, or something like that, because both Zrínyi II and Zrínyi I had the same 75mm front armor, the only thicher part there were around the gun, where the mantlet give another 25mm protection. 75+25mm=100mm, and probably that’s why they thought that the Zrínyi I had 100 (or 95) mm of front armor, but in reality both had only 75mm and +25mm around the gun.
Plus the 75mm 43 M. tank gun of the Zrínyi I have very similar characteristics as the 7,5cm Pak 39, and that’s not enough for a tier 5 TD. The Zrínyi would need an unhistorical gun, like a 75mm L/70 there.

The Nimród would only be OP at tier 2 if it would get too good aim time or aim circle spread or other good soft stats, the tall silhouette (bad camo) and the crap armor could IMO compensate the damage it could cause.
But hey, they could change it in the last minute anyway, originally the Japanese STA-1 were the tier 9 and Type 61 were the tier 8, and they switched places shortly before they arrived :) So if the Nimród will be too OP, they’ll solve it somehow.

By: Gyurus

Gyurus — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 16:58:44 +0000

Great post! Hope Wargaming will use some of your collected datas.

By: Mr Just-a-guy

Mr Just-a-guy — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 16:58:01 +0000

Nimród has the same gun as the covenanter afaik, or the cruiser IV… dunno, some mutated bofors. It would be a bit like a tier 2 WTF E-100 I think, except that it would have no hull armor and would be more sluggish probably, but with relatively better pen.

By: leveskockaa

leveskockaa — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 14:47:39 +0000

Nice article Karika, looks like you did a huge research. Photos and drawings what I’ve never seen before…
I like your tech tree idea, my one was pretty much the same, the Tas prot. too (you know, Hungarian made gun, engines..)
I would suggest one thing: Szebeny’s tank destroyer, based on the Nimród chassis, never left blueprint stage. I would go with the Zrínyi I instead, and make Szebeny 80 a premium vehicle. According to Bonhardt & Sárhidai & Winkler’s book, the Zrínyi I would have 95 mm frontal armor, instead of the Zrínyi II’s 75 mm. And of course, the long-barreled 75 mm gun. Turán I and II has no big difference, but I think this is a bigger one.
And I feel like the Nimród would be a bit OP without a huge nerf at tier 2. It has no armor, but it has a very high ROF gun, isn’t it? I think it is a good idea to swap the Nimród and the Toldi tank destroyer.

You know, Wargaming promises EU tech tree (I’m sure, they will add every nation with a different patch) for 2015, and I hope, they will go with the right dimensions (smaller ones) of the Tas. They have a Zrínyi and a Turán in Kubinka, so fingers crossed!

Another Hungarian tank fan, can’t wait to roll out with my Tas ! :)

By: Karika

Karika — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 11:56:24 +0000

Do not forget that these are only the historical characteristics, probably everyone of them would get a stronger engine, more powerful gun, etc., when/if they get implemented, like technically every tank in the game got unhistorical or less historical or post-war upgrade when it comes to modules. I do not want to give you any unhistorical stuff, I let the developers invent them.
If you give every tank in the game only their historical characteristics, more or less everything would slide down a tier.

And I assume that the Toldi light tanks would be only PvE, bot-controlled vehicles in the upcoming historical battles, such as the Pz IIs, Marder IIs, T-70s and other would be in a T-34/KV versus Pz. IV/Tiger battle.

By: Boris Dragonov

Boris Dragonov — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 11:47:23 +0000

I remember the moments when WOT would get an update with an entire branch added from tier 1 or 2 to 10! I was coming excited from work, couldn’t wait to grind the new tanks.

Now we hardly get new tanks, very few. Instead we get HD models, something I’m not interested in since I play only the lowest graphics.

By: Mr Just-a-guy

Mr Just-a-guy — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:39:24 +0000

These tanks will be quite useless, unless they will have godly soft stats. The V-3 and 4 seems OK, they are like the Hungarian version of MS-1. The Toldi series on the other hand, have crap armor, mediocre guns, and not-that great mobility. The historical steering problem would probably modelled in WoT by making their traverse speed slow. IMO they should all be slid down a tier, or get limited MM. And God save anyone who would try to use them in a historical battle gamemode, imagine what a T-34 or a KV-1 could to to these. IRL they were not sent to fight soviet tanks unless it was unavoidable, but were used as scouts and in ambushes against infantry.

By: dxzit

dxzit — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:05:51 +0000

The historical posts like this are what makes this site great.

WoT based content itself can get a bit repetitive, but these gems are what keeps me coming back day after day.
Great job.