Comments on: Hungarian Branch in WoT – Part 3: Turán medium tanks

By: Karika

Karika — Thu, 23 Oct 2014 20:01:12 +0000

Well, it would be hard to implement these Turáns as “good” or “outstanding” tanks, because they weren’t in the real life. They were at best “mediocre” or “average”. But these are rather subjective terms IMO.

By: Mr Just-a-guy

Mr Just-a-guy — Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:59:33 +0000

Well, I can only hope that happens. But knowing WG’s attitude to “evull fascist tonkz” they will likely implement Hungarian tanks as the cannon fodder they were historicaly. Another solution would be if the Turáns would recieve limited MM, but I do not think that will happen.

By: Karika

Karika — Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:22:42 +0000

Why not just give unhistorical top armament and an also unhistorical more powerful engine to the tier 4 Turán? The result would be the same as your suggestion, but without the problematic tier 3/4 tank separation.

By: Mr Just-a-guy

Mr Just-a-guy — Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:44:51 +0000

At tier 3 the frontal armor (and only that) would decent, but still, if you look at the schematics, the UFP has two view ports and a machine gun port, all of whom could be weakspots – so basicly about half of the UFP would be a huge weakspot, with crew deaths almost guaranteed if hit (again, huge viewports), not to speak of the tumor on the turret. This same armor would be utterly worthless at tier 4, literaly anything could penetrate it even at extreme angles, unsloped, full of massive weakspots. With bad gun, and mediocre mobility. And before I forget, the turret too, has two frontal weakspot like things on the front armor, besides the cupola. IMO you should somehow find a way to separate the two tanks, Turán I should get some smaller armaments, like a variety of 30-40mm guns, and Turán II should be (unhistoricaly) buffed for tier 4, with a lot of HP, derp guns, and sideskirts to upgrade its armor a bit, also, some beefy engine so it won’t be a sitting duck.

By: Karika

Karika — Thu, 23 Oct 2014 14:50:45 +0000

Okay, I got your point, a Hungarian Tiger would be nice :) But it would have very low priority, and anyway, I think that such “cloning” method should be avoided, but we’ll see.

However, I still do not agree with you about the Turán.

First, what you suggest is to balance the Turán as a heavy tank. But that’s clearly a medium tank, and the medium tanks as a class are not about the armor, the mobility and the firepower are more important. Even if the gun selection is very similar to the Pz. IV A, the tier 3 german medium, that tank have only 14mm of armor, and the Turán is not that slow to compensate its 50mm thick frontal armor PLUS the decent armament AND acceptable mobility. It would be too good at tier 3.
At tier 4, the only issue would be the underperforming gun, but it’s much easier to solve this, than balance the Turán to tier 3.

Second, if the Turán I and II would be down tiered to tier 3, what would be the Hungarian tier 4 medium? Putting to tier 3 would cause more problems than it would solve.

Third, the frontal vertical part of the armor (UFP in this point of view) was 50mm in 72° (52mm EFF), the sloped middle part was 25mm in 12° (120mm EFF), and the LFP was also 50mm, but most of it was in 60° (57mm EFF). The UFP and the LFP had the same thickness, but the LFP had a bit better slope.

And forth, the transmission of the Turán was on the back of the vehicle. It did not resembled to the classic German layout, it was a Czech design.

By: Mr Just-a-guy

Mr Just-a-guy — Thu, 23 Oct 2014 11:43:47 +0000

I think the having a Hungarian Tiger would be enough of a reason to implement a Hungarian Tiger :P I mean which Hungarian player would not like to drive it for it’s own sake?
Also, I think the Turán could be balanced out at tier 3 with horribad soft stats, which would be probably historicaly accurate anyways (bad ground pressure, bad view and radio range, inaccurate gun). It could be like a tier 3 KV-1, only less OP. And btw I hardly know any tier 3 tank with less than 50mm pen, and keep in mind that one could not do sidescraping / angling with this tank cus the 20mm side plate. Also, as you can see on the drawing oyu posted, the front of the Turáns are literaly full of weakspots, the turret has a tumor, and the front plate has machine gun and viewports. I do not know if the LFP was thinner than the UFP, but if so, it would have the frontal transmission weakspot like germans.

By: Karika

Karika — Thu, 23 Oct 2014 07:46:37 +0000

Even if the Turán is a bit undergunned at tier 4, it would be clearly OP at tier 3 because of its armor, just compare it to the other already in-game vehicles, :
Turán: 50/25+8/25
M2 Medium: 32/18/13
Vickers Medium Mk. III: 14/9/9
Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. A: 14/14/14
D2: 40/40/40
Type 97 Chi-Ha: 25/25/20
And most of the tier 3 tanks can only penetrate maximum 50-60mm of armor, so the 40mm gun is OP too at there. Plus the mobility is not that bad to compensate this.

And if we get a Tiger, to what tank would you train the Hungarian heavy crew for? :P

By: Anlushac11

Anlushac11 — Thu, 23 Oct 2014 02:21:57 +0000

Would very much like to see Turan’s, Toldi’s, and Zrinyi’s in game

By: hon2838

hon2838 — Thu, 23 Oct 2014 01:46:45 +0000

good!i did love to see more tanks in the game

By: riptide109

riptide109 — Thu, 23 Oct 2014 01:20:37 +0000

ME WANTS PLEASE!