Comments on: On Upcoming Tier 10 in 9.5

By: Lhynn

Lhynn — Tue, 28 Oct 2014 06:50:55 +0000

I actually agree. No tank should be able to deal more than 1k damage per shot at the utmost (850 at T10 is actually more than enough imho), with the appropriate accuracy and RoF rebalances. The KV-2 is a troll tank indeed but it has weaknesses that can be exploited and therefore it’s rather balanced for it’s tier; tanks like the 183 however have nothing to counter them apart from focused team fire (good luck with that in random battles…), so they are free to deal as much damage as they can to as many tanks as they can see until they eventually die (actually, arty is what they mostly fear). At least, the WTF100 can die in a couple of seconds given its paper armor, so we can consider it can be countered more easily…
I would agree on a rebalance of the 183 to an alpha around 1000, 0.37-0.38 accuracy, Hesh pen around 180 and a reload in +/- 20s. But nope, WG just cut the pen which changed nothing given that Hesh are basically HE with better pen (ingame at least).

By: Uvood

Uvood — Mon, 27 Oct 2014 17:43:01 +0000

its a british tank, he will sucks, they wont put a british tank with good stats.
they absence of autoloader the prof of this.

By: Mordye

Mordye — Sun, 26 Oct 2014 21:58:39 +0000

The problem is that they nerfed the penetration. That was totally the wrong approach and if you look at the damage calculations was never going to change the damage it did in either of the scenarios you show. All it does is shift the percentage of rounds that inflict the 500 damage shots.

Really they should just set the pen to 0 and balance the damage value appropriately. Would give far better results from both a gameplay and realism perspective.

By: Lhynn

Lhynn — Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:34:07 +0000

“They saw how the FV 183 fucked up battles with the old HESH pen, which is now gone.”

> Looks like you haven’t played the FV 183 much since the nerf. Decreasing Hesh pen from 275 to 230 changed absolutely nothing tank performance-wise. Average damage per shot to tanks with heavy armor (Maus, IS-7…) – when NOT hitting a weak spot – remained at around 500-600, damage to weakspots still goes up to 1400 and sometimes above. As to Tier 8 tanks, you still one-shoot them even with 230 pen which is more than enough to pen them almost anywhere (except, say, IS-3′s turret front). I have a FV 183 myself and, despite the fact that I switched to AP as my primary shells a while ago, I still cary 4 Hesh rounds and I can assure you they still outperform any tank armor, just as they used to 2 months ago. In a nutshell, 183mm Hesh is all but gone.
If they really wanted to nerf it, they should have decreased pen to 210 and even below (maybe 175-185). This way, yeah, you would definitely have a hard time dealing 1400 dmg/shot to anything other than T8 + French tanks, and even then you would have to hit the weak spots (especially given that you’re not helped by the awful gun accuracy and aim time). But WG just decided to “pretend” they nerfed it so that everybody is happy.
And now we’ll have just another useless-but-still-troll tank with a ridiculously overpowered cannon acting like a T10 KV-2, and I really don’t think that’s this is what the game currently needs, either in terms of content and balance. But since we players have no control over that kind of stuff, all we’re left with is – wait&see.

By: Ferdinand Porsche

Ferdinand Porsche — Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:11:28 +0000

It depends. Back then much less people were playing tier 10. Now days, there are too many people playing tier 10 to “remove” tanks.

By: Steffenximus

Steffenximus — Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:07:39 +0000

So we’ll have yet another WT. Oh great, just what was missing from this game.

How about you remove all T10 TDs, meds and arties and go back to how it used to be, only T10 heavies ? That was the most balanced version of end-game there ever was and will ever be.

By: crash_core

crash_core — Sun, 26 Oct 2014 14:22:25 +0000

>to the clicker thing<
I love it when I'm playing T92 and oneshot an 183 (from some clans special SEAL, OM and others who think they are the realpro's) and then the word clicker appears although it was an long aimed shot because they were camping like the most time I see them.

By: Reeptyle

Reeptyle — Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:07:57 +0000

Which basically is the current fv215b heavy…

By: D8W2P4

D8W2P4 — Sun, 26 Oct 2014 10:10:15 +0000

Or they could give the Sturmtiger it’s original gun which was a 21cm mortar (the 380mm rocket mortar was just the biggest “gun” it could mount)

Now the Germans current 21cm gun on their arty has 105/303/105 pen and does 2,000/1,550/2,000 damage, it’s also a hell of a lot bigger gun than the Sturmtiger’s original 21 cm mortar.

Now does that sound hard to balance?

By: D8W2P4

D8W2P4 — Sun, 26 Oct 2014 09:52:34 +0000

Because little shits like saxsan4 need to be put in their place.