Comments on: 2.11.2014

By: Doddy

Doddy — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 02:02:14 +0000

It only works as sub branches of the current british tree, much like the euro tree will need to do. Commonwealth didn’t really exist for most of the games timeframe, so its really covering everywhere that was part of the empire, a dominion, the commonwealth or a temporary administrative area.

Australian sub branch – tier 4 AC 1, tier 5 AC 3, tier 6 AC 4. Can come from current cruiser tanks and rejoin at challenger or comet.
Canadian Sub branch – tier 4 Ram 1, tier 5 Ram 2, tier 6 Grizzly (with 17 pdr top armament). Mirrors Aussie line.
Indian odds and ends – tier 6 upgunned sherman, tier 10 Vijayanta Upgunned sherman could be optional route from sherman to challenger, vijayanta is optional tier 10 for vicker mbt line.
South African end branch – tier 8 Skokiaan, tier 9 Semel, tier 10 Olifant start sideways from centurion and runs to tier 10.
Israeli end branch – tier 6 – M-50 super sherman, tier 7 M-51 super sheman, tier 8 sho’t, tier 9 shot’kal, tier 10 Magach 3 starts from LL sherman and runs to tier 10.
Egyptian – tier 6 or 7 M4A4 Ml-10. premium or another tier 6/7 option.

Needless to say that leaves a very medium heavy tree, but hey that’s how armoured warfare went. The upcoming lend lease Sherman is direct predecessor to the Israeli super Sherman, the Indian up gunned Sherman and the Egyptian mutant thing, so easy to work them in. Biggest concern really is that the Egyptian and South African high tiers might be too close to the current centurions for peoples liking, i don’t know the specifics. Magach 3 is a M48 Patton with L7 105mm gun. There is also the possibility of soviet tanks from for example Pakistan, though i don’t know if any were modified enough to not be clones.

By: Doddy

Doddy — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:36:45 +0000

All the high tier Chinese stuff was developed at the same time as fv101, would have entered service at the same sort of time if they had ever been mass produced. Same goes for STB-1 which is the prototype of type 74 made in 1970, type 74 itself entered service 1974. There are a load of other tanks in game which were paper tanks in the late 60s like the fv101, only difference is the scorpion was actually built. Knowing wargaming they will take the final prototype.

By: Doddy

Doddy — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:27:35 +0000

Right, the 77mm, that is underpowered on comet against tier 9 will meet tier 10s. That “decent penetration” is worse than any tier 7 light apart from the autoloader toting and still underpowered 13-75. FV 301 is tier 5 or 6 material at best. Linking to arty just because of shared hull is dumb and wargaming only does it to trees they hate.

Valiant and cavalier are not light tanks. Cavalier is a poor mans cromwell, probably a tier 5 medium or premium tier 6 medium. Developmentally its the direct successor to crusader, no idea why it would come from valiant, an infantry tank. Valiant is a tier 5 medium wannabe heavy and developmentally obviously comes from valentine and goes back in to churchill line somewhere (maybe after a valiant 2). Why on earth would it come from harry hopkins?

Vickers 24t sounds great, but what actual info is there? If there was good info on vickers 24t and it was capable at tier 8 I would be delighted to right off the probably too modern scorpion.

By: ExoNut

ExoNut — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 16:48:20 +0000

I CRI EVRI TIEM ;(((((

By: ExoNut

ExoNut — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 16:48:07 +0000

Why not more french tanks too?! ;(

By: TheFuzzyOne

TheFuzzyOne — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 09:25:33 +0000

Also, the Valiant is not a light tank, it’s 27 tons :p

It’s also very very slow. Unsure on what Cavalier would do too. It’s just a Cromwell with a less powerful gun and engine.

By: TheFuzzyOne

TheFuzzyOne — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 09:21:11 +0000

It’s prototype was around in the 60′s.

Also, it’s fully within the scope even as a full model. WG have said many many times that date doesn’t matter, it’s what it can do and what its technology is. There are tanks that have modules from the eighties in game already after all.

Scorpion has no composite armour, no smoothbore gun…it works entirely. If AMX-13 90 can go in, so can this. AMX 13 75 to AMX-13 90 is basically TV-15000 to FV101.

By: TheFuzzyOne

TheFuzzyOne — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 09:19:15 +0000

“but there are no other Tier 7 candidates.”

TV-15000, also possibly the Contentious (not the TD one) or the AV-R.

By: Starblade7

Starblade7 — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 04:10:08 +0000

I’ve yet to see a proposal for a full Commonwealth tank branch that didn’t involve tanks from the LL/TD line, or from the theoretical LT/Vickers line. The only candidates I’m aware of would be the AC I (tier 4), Ram II (tier 5), AC IV (tier 6). Given that the Ram II is already in-game (even as a U.S. tank), cloning it over to the UK tree is probably a waste, and that only leaves two AC variants – which really means just one tank, the AC IV, would be worthwhile, so it may as well be a Premium tank. Personally, I’d be happy to pay for the AC IV as a premium MT with preferential MM.

By: Starblade7

Starblade7 — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 04:05:03 +0000

The FV101 Scorpion entered service in 1973. That’s a bit beyond the scope of WoT.