Comments on: AMX-13 – Possibly Upcoming Armor Changes

By: Soustruh

Soustruh — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 08:16:54 +0000

Sure, I know that. Maybe the point is that 12 t and 13 75 were my first tier V+ autoloaders. Many people play with T71 first and then hate 13 75, which is not fair for poor little AMX. :-)

I started with 13 75 and I like it, and I expect to like soon-to-be-in-my-garage T71 even more. It seems good to get used to a slightly UP tank, as any other will seem like a hufe buff (I plan to have both T71 and 13 90 as a keepers).

Happy tankink!

By: Macus Flash

Macus Flash — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 12:16:37 +0000

Still T49 can hit AMX’s turret.

By: Macus Flash

Macus Flash — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 12:16:02 +0000

On the other hand check ISU-152 (in fact 152,4mm)with BL-gun versus Black Prince’s middle plate (50,8mm) – overmatch works correctly.

By: Outfielder

Outfielder — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 06:27:20 +0000

QUOTE: That was a joke.
french tank drivers will understand. Sometimes you get to bounce unbelievable shot.

Indeed….JgdPz 100 off my ASS! :-)

By: randomcommenterwithlowIQ

randomcommenterwithlowIQ — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:06:20 +0000

Just because you like it doesn’t mean that it it isn’t UP compared to other tier 7 LTs; which you did mention, but it needs a buff. I liked the Lorraine 40t too.

By: randomcommenterwithlowIQ

randomcommenterwithlowIQ — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:04:55 +0000

Why not compare that to all of the other tier 7 autoloaders that do that so much more effectively? A T71 can do 900 damage in 12 seconds to, actually 10 seconds once you factor into effect that the first shell is reloaded – by contrast it takes 12 seconds to fire 720 with the 13 57, and and only practically 10.5. The 57 also has inferior penetration, by nearly 30mm, and horrible mobility comparatively. Yes it is a premium, but it is a very bad premium.

By: Apache1990

Apache1990 — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 22:07:55 +0000

It’s not so much that HEAT and HE types can’t bounce, but they have a significantly steeper ricochet angle than AP type ammo.
(AP ricochets at >70 degrees, >80 for HEAT [it was mentioned that HE will ricochet at extreme angles previously, but it's no longer on the wiki for some reason])

By: randomcommenterwithlowIQ

randomcommenterwithlowIQ — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 17:21:48 +0000

I hope they rebalance the capabilities of some of the tanks at some point.

The 13 75 in particular needs improvements to match the new light tanks that have arrived. It was already heavily outmatched by the T71, and now outmatched against by enemies like the Walker Bulldog. The 12t doesn’t need buffs quite as much but could still do with a few. 13 90 is the most balanced of the bunch, although improving the speed to match that of the new LTs would be a good idea.

By: Meneldil

Meneldil — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 16:48:13 +0000

French tanks have weird turret angles, making them more prone to “lolilol I just bounced an Object 704″ events.

By: Bugii

Bugii — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 16:44:53 +0000

and based on that, it will calculate whether it did pen or not.

if the angle corresponds to eff.armor 250 lets say. after normalization the angle is changed and it makes eff.armor 240 for example. Cool!

and now you have penetration in the equation. Which is anything between 180-300 for example. What difference does the 240mm vs 250mm makes if the penetration is just random.
Dont get me wrong, im not compalining about RNG, I just say the whole normalizatin makes little difference. You would get same result without normalization if you simply rolled more pen. Or am I missing something ?