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		<title>By: Francouzské prémiáky, britské stíhače, dohled a mapa - Rychlá Rota</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francouzské prémiáky, britské stíhače, dohled a mapa - Rychlá Rota]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2014 16:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Infernal969</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Infernal969]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2014 14:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You really are heavily retarded.
All I am about that WG is hiding stats and not showing them IN THE GAME. Your answer is &quot;tonk inspectur!!!!111111111&quot;. Please, cease to exist and stop wasting my time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really are heavily retarded.<br />
All I am about that WG is hiding stats and not showing them IN THE GAME. Your answer is &#8220;tonk inspectur!!!!111111111&#8243;. Please, cease to exist and stop wasting my time.</p>
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		<title>By: Doddy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2014 13:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not really sure what you are asking, the L1 is more powerful than the L7, tort doesn&#039;t need it.

In reality there is no difference between the tanks guns and td guns.  Having a &quot;td&quot; version is there simply to make you have to grind more, since if they counted as the same gun the british would be a completely painless grind since all tanks use the same few guns.  As the Conway has an L7, it will be the called the &quot;L7 AT&quot; and will need to be researched even if you have the L7 on centurion already.  Though if its only the stock gun on conway and not on others thats not a prob.

the L1 120mm is the gun that in reality was used on the conqueror heavy gun tank.  Conqueror was created to counter the is-3 since it was considered the 20-pdr armed centurion would struggle against the IS-3 armour (NATO thought the is-3 was better than it actually was tbh).  The conway was to be a stop gap way of getting the 120mm in action on a centurion hull until the conqueror was ready.  Fv214b with 120mm is entirely made up by wargaming, it has the L1 120mm basically because that is the uks only heavy tank gun until cheiftain was created (L11 120mm).

Tortoise has the L1 simply because they needed multiple guns for the tort and the 32-pdr it had in reality was underpowered for tier 9.  Its pretty normal, many tanks in the game have unhistorical top guns.  If you look at tier 7 heavies for example poor black prince is stuck with its historical gun as top gun while most of the others have more powerful guns than they ever had in reality.

The L7 came about because it was realised the T54 was too tough for the 20 pdr as well.  Having some conquerors to counter the relatively low numbers of IS-3 was fine and dandy but not much good if the rest of your tanks couldn&#039;t handle the t-54s.  So the centurion was up-gunned.  

The L7 was a gun which could be mounted on a medium tank/MBT but was capable of killing any enemy.  With such a gun there was no point in heavy tanks any more (the armour was usless), or indeed tank destroyers (bigger guns were not needed).  Soon all the NATO countries copied the L7, its clones are on Pattons, Leopards etc.  The soviets quickly realised that their heavy tanks were now pointless and did away with them concentrating on getting the best guns on their T-54 clones.

L7 105mm wasn&#039;t more powerful than L1 120mm, it was just capable of being mounted on a smaller more mobile chassis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not really sure what you are asking, the L1 is more powerful than the L7, tort doesn&#8217;t need it.</p>
<p>In reality there is no difference between the tanks guns and td guns.  Having a &#8220;td&#8221; version is there simply to make you have to grind more, since if they counted as the same gun the british would be a completely painless grind since all tanks use the same few guns.  As the Conway has an L7, it will be the called the &#8220;L7 AT&#8221; and will need to be researched even if you have the L7 on centurion already.  Though if its only the stock gun on conway and not on others thats not a prob.</p>
<p>the L1 120mm is the gun that in reality was used on the conqueror heavy gun tank.  Conqueror was created to counter the is-3 since it was considered the 20-pdr armed centurion would struggle against the IS-3 armour (NATO thought the is-3 was better than it actually was tbh).  The conway was to be a stop gap way of getting the 120mm in action on a centurion hull until the conqueror was ready.  Fv214b with 120mm is entirely made up by wargaming, it has the L1 120mm basically because that is the uks only heavy tank gun until cheiftain was created (L11 120mm).</p>
<p>Tortoise has the L1 simply because they needed multiple guns for the tort and the 32-pdr it had in reality was underpowered for tier 9.  Its pretty normal, many tanks in the game have unhistorical top guns.  If you look at tier 7 heavies for example poor black prince is stuck with its historical gun as top gun while most of the others have more powerful guns than they ever had in reality.</p>
<p>The L7 came about because it was realised the T54 was too tough for the 20 pdr as well.  Having some conquerors to counter the relatively low numbers of IS-3 was fine and dandy but not much good if the rest of your tanks couldn&#8217;t handle the t-54s.  So the centurion was up-gunned.  </p>
<p>The L7 was a gun which could be mounted on a medium tank/MBT but was capable of killing any enemy.  With such a gun there was no point in heavy tanks any more (the armour was usless), or indeed tank destroyers (bigger guns were not needed).  Soon all the NATO countries copied the L7, its clones are on Pattons, Leopards etc.  The soviets quickly realised that their heavy tanks were now pointless and did away with them concentrating on getting the best guns on their T-54 clones.</p>
<p>L7 105mm wasn&#8217;t more powerful than L1 120mm, it was just capable of being mounted on a smaller more mobile chassis.</p>
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		<title>By: jlrdsr</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jlrdsr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2014 09:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This. 

i cant believe that wg would actually make a t10 with tier 3 view range. i bet it will get changed, 380m or something close if they want it to have a bad view rage for balance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This. </p>
<p>i cant believe that wg would actually make a t10 with tier 3 view range. i bet it will get changed, 380m or something close if they want it to have a bad view rage for balance.</p>
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		<title>By: Unavailable</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Unavailable]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2014 06:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When L7 sees the side armour of any tank destroyer...

:D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When L7 sees the side armour of any tank destroyer&#8230;</p>
<p>:D</p>
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		<title>By: Unavailable</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Unavailable]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2014 06:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep I was saying loss over distance, I typed it badly but that&#039;s what I mean.

Only applies to Prem APCR]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep I was saying loss over distance, I typed it badly but that&#8217;s what I mean.</p>
<p>Only applies to Prem APCR</p>
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		<title>By: Unavailable</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Unavailable]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2014 06:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not to ruin your fun but HESHes are sth like this.
You no longer &quot;Cant pen it? Fire gold&quot;
My idea is. If 268 pen cannot penetrate, that means at that moment I should not going to trade shot. L7 is accurate enough to pen weakspots or badly angled armour.
However HESHes right now are just HE, it will not easily bounce off sloped armour.
Yet 105pen regular HESH is not enough to get through side armour in Tier X, but 210?
Well L1 and L7, do bring more amount of HESEes than HE in other guns.
I see the Jageroo&#039;s side armour as paper like the waffles because I can simply HESH on it, HE can&#039;t. What it does is make me feeling better *lol
Oh btw, firing Prem HESH to a T-54 turret is better than firing HEAT]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to ruin your fun but HESHes are sth like this.<br />
You no longer &#8220;Cant pen it? Fire gold&#8221;<br />
My idea is. If 268 pen cannot penetrate, that means at that moment I should not going to trade shot. L7 is accurate enough to pen weakspots or badly angled armour.<br />
However HESHes right now are just HE, it will not easily bounce off sloped armour.<br />
Yet 105pen regular HESH is not enough to get through side armour in Tier X, but 210?<br />
Well L1 and L7, do bring more amount of HESEes than HE in other guns.<br />
I see the Jageroo&#8217;s side armour as paper like the waffles because I can simply HESH on it, HE can&#8217;t. What it does is make me feeling better *lol<br />
Oh btw, firing Prem HESH to a T-54 turret is better than firing HEAT</p>
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		<title>By: Unavailable</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Unavailable]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2014 06:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[*I got these from the internet.

Torty was too late to be put into WWII and it only has a 32-pdr. (Enjoying that in my A22D, which should only have a 3.7 inch howitzer)
The L1 (I am not sure),
is the gun on the FV214 and the FV4004.
Is that really an L1 AT? Someone please help me or I assume it is the same case for the D-25T D-2-5T,
maybe there will be a L7 AT?

*Also from elsewhere
L7 was designed after Centurion, early marks are with the 17-pdr / 20-pdr.
Mark7/1 has a 20-pdr,
Mark7/2 has a L7.
I dont know what is the first mark to put a L7 in but still, if the Torty had a L7,
then why not the FV214?
(I am mad.)
If Torty fires regular APCR, then you know, the 704 will have it too.
Thats literally bringing the firepower of the current 40-ton into Tier IX...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*I got these from the internet.</p>
<p>Torty was too late to be put into WWII and it only has a 32-pdr. (Enjoying that in my A22D, which should only have a 3.7 inch howitzer)<br />
The L1 (I am not sure),<br />
is the gun on the FV214 and the FV4004.<br />
Is that really an L1 AT? Someone please help me or I assume it is the same case for the D-25T D-2-5T,<br />
maybe there will be a L7 AT?</p>
<p>*Also from elsewhere<br />
L7 was designed after Centurion, early marks are with the 17-pdr / 20-pdr.<br />
Mark7/1 has a 20-pdr,<br />
Mark7/2 has a L7.<br />
I dont know what is the first mark to put a L7 in but still, if the Torty had a L7,<br />
then why not the FV214?<br />
(I am mad.)<br />
If Torty fires regular APCR, then you know, the 704 will have it too.<br />
Thats literally bringing the firepower of the current 40-ton into Tier IX&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Unavailable</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Unavailable]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2014 05:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well...
Even the centurions themselves are not good at playing camo game among mediums.

122-44 has a great camo as it&#039;s very low profile.

Super Hellcat and T25s are just trading camo value with their armour value.

122-54,
I only tried it a few times.
Compare to the 122-44.
Lesser angling. 
Gun arc... I&#039;ve got this feeling on both. like you have the camo but only enough to keeps you from being spotted when stationary.
DIY, hopefully my target can let me pull back 15m and aim again.
That camo penality.

IMO, really feels like a medium is the JPII.
Gun arc... Hopeless (at least to me)
I started with the Brits mediums, Hull down to me is half of the game.
JPII, really nice terrain resistance, similar to the tanka that I stuck with.
Centurions, Caernarvon, FV214, T34.
These are all &quot;you dont want the hull exposed&quot;
JPII, definitely. At least can bounce some shots
122-44&#039;s is well angled but not enough for gun-to-gun fight.

Well I must have gone too far :P

This is a Centurion Hull but not a medium. Even centurions themselves are between mediums and heavies, look at that IS-8 and look at the size of a centurion. It is a universal tank.
At the same time you cant play a 122-44 like a T-44 or a 122-54 like a T-54, as well as the WaffIV. There are currently lots of FV200 hulls but none of them feels the same.

That&#039;s why I am looking forward on this.
Well come on this is British Tech tree lol.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;<br />
Even the centurions themselves are not good at playing camo game among mediums.</p>
<p>122-44 has a great camo as it&#8217;s very low profile.</p>
<p>Super Hellcat and T25s are just trading camo value with their armour value.</p>
<p>122-54,<br />
I only tried it a few times.<br />
Compare to the 122-44.<br />
Lesser angling.<br />
Gun arc&#8230; I&#8217;ve got this feeling on both. like you have the camo but only enough to keeps you from being spotted when stationary.<br />
DIY, hopefully my target can let me pull back 15m and aim again.<br />
That camo penality.</p>
<p>IMO, really feels like a medium is the JPII.<br />
Gun arc&#8230; Hopeless (at least to me)<br />
I started with the Brits mediums, Hull down to me is half of the game.<br />
JPII, really nice terrain resistance, similar to the tanka that I stuck with.<br />
Centurions, Caernarvon, FV214, T34.<br />
These are all &#8220;you dont want the hull exposed&#8221;<br />
JPII, definitely. At least can bounce some shots<br />
122-44&#8242;s is well angled but not enough for gun-to-gun fight.</p>
<p>Well I must have gone too far :P</p>
<p>This is a Centurion Hull but not a medium. Even centurions themselves are between mediums and heavies, look at that IS-8 and look at the size of a centurion. It is a universal tank.<br />
At the same time you cant play a 122-44 like a T-44 or a 122-54 like a T-54, as well as the WaffIV. There are currently lots of FV200 hulls but none of them feels the same.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I am looking forward on this.<br />
Well come on this is British Tech tree lol.</p>
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		<title>By: f16falcona46</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2014 04:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For guns with APCR as standard, they do not lose much pen at distance and get regular normalization. For example, M32 and T185 only lose 2 pen from 0m to max range.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For guns with APCR as standard, they do not lose much pen at distance and get regular normalization. For example, M32 and T185 only lose 2 pen from 0m to max range.</p>
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