Comments on: On Panzer IV Ausf.H Turret Spaced Armor

By: ramp4ge

ramp4ge — Tue, 09 Dec 2014 19:25:57 +0000

A better question is why does it act as spaced armor at all? It was designed not to STOP the anti-tank rifle round, but to make it tumble and then fail to penetrate the tank’s hull or turret. It couldn’t STOP an anti-tank rifle round. It was thin mild steel. It was insufficient to even act as a decapping plate against larger anti-tank rounds.. It’s ability to even pre-detonate shaped charges has even been called into question recently.

Anything bigger than the rounds from the Browning M2 wouldn’t even flinch.

That’s always bothered me. Both about the armor scheme and the way ‘spaced armor’ works in this game.

By: angry banana

angry banana — Tue, 09 Dec 2014 17:34:11 +0000

I think it was mentioned in the operation think tank videos that in some cases the schurzen could actually improve the penetration of HEAT warheads because these early HEAT versions often didn’t detonate at the optimal distance by themselves, and the schurzen would sort of rectify this flaw.

By: Mr.Boom

Mr.Boom — Mon, 08 Dec 2014 06:47:22 +0000

^This.
Finally, an intelligent, non-butthurt-WG-is-satan reply.

It’s obvious that this is a game-balance issue, a weakspot for the -2 Tier tanks to aim for.

By: Bonesaw1o1

Bonesaw1o1 — Mon, 08 Dec 2014 01:55:16 +0000

I noticed the doors when they first put in the turret with the armour skirts, but I’d always figured that they left them open so lower tier guns with crap penetration could still have a chance of shooting the hatch weak spots, after all it was back in the era when WG were keen on intentional weakspots (ie insisting that the MG mounts remain weak points so that tanks could be penetrated from the front ect)

By: Dugalle

Dugalle — Mon, 08 Dec 2014 00:48:37 +0000

Gonna be honest: Pz IV pisses me off when i’m in my KV-2. Because when i get to shoot its side, i’m pretty sure i’ll have to shoot twice, while i’ll one shot front.

Damn Schürzen.

By: chris-l

chris-l — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 22:12:11 +0000

well, after all its a german tank – and to be honest, is it really whishable that a german tank has some functioning spaced armour on their favour? Possibly reflecting some shots from the mighty T34? This is not historical correct! lol

By: InvaderNat

InvaderNat — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:46:17 +0000

I always wondered why there was a gap there, I love the look of my Pz IVH but I’d really love to close that gap still.

By: Coltmagnum

Coltmagnum — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:27:22 +0000

But true.

By: Coltmagnum

Coltmagnum — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:25:36 +0000

Wouldn’t it be nice to have the option of opened/closed hatches, like open commanders hatch for better field of view at the price of commanders vulnerability. Or drivers hatch open to allow better mobility, again, some increase in the chance of losing a driver.

Even without the visual representation it would be fun, more so if you could see the hatch open, with the ability to use HE rounds to hurt the enemy.

That would add some dept to the game. As if they would bother.

By: Baldrickk

Baldrickk — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 20:18:49 +0000

Which they did…

…when not in battle.