Comments on: AMX CDC, STA-2, ISU-130 and AMX-13/57 Footage

By: Ferdinand Porsche

Ferdinand Porsche — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 21:47:26 +0000

I agree to some degree. Some tier 8 premiums with limited MM has too much luxury opposed to people who play regular tier 8 mediums and heavys (I dont count TDs because there are not taking huge risks anyways).

I dont know how MM works, but I suspect that the more t8 prems with special MM that exist, the more often regular t8 will get into t10 filled games with only 1-2 t9. Even back in the days you rarely had over 50% t10, some t9 and the rest t8.

By: Madner Kami

Madner Kami — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 21:45:43 +0000

You still need to be a good player to do that and good players can do that in regular ones just as well, so that would be a cheap excuse.

By: Ferdinand Porsche

Ferdinand Porsche — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 21:41:18 +0000

In one way people speak of tanks having too little pen, and in another way people speak of tanks having too little armor. To me, all tanks should get penned frontaly if hitting weakspots thats it. Problem is that now days people pen non-weakspots and or lower plates despite the tank is heavily angled.

One of the solutions is to nerf accuracy heavily so less well aimed shots will bounce and will give you the advantage if aim longer and damage the enemy (like it was befire). No “less well” aimed snapshots should hurt heavily armored targets. I liked the old game better where people move closer to make damage and hit weakspots, not like it is now where anybody can hit anything from so long distances, making the game static.

By: Ferdinand Porsche

Ferdinand Porsche — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 21:30:36 +0000

Yes but the solution no matter how you look upon it is not to buff pen values on tier 8 mediums as some mediums have similar pen to tier 8 heavys and struggle little to pen them now days. The differance is that some mediums in tier 9 and 10 are alot more competitive againt heavys comapred to what tier 8 meds are to tier 8 heavys. Just like a while ago some tier 9-10 TDs were jack of all trades. The same reason tier 8 TDs are also less competitive in general to both heavys and mediums than in tier 9 and 10 were a while ago.

I dont know about the T44 but WG has really make armor useless with mediums having close to heavy pen, like STA-1, new AMX CD, and even the centurion 1. Its better not to introduce paper tanks with mediocre mobilty and then give them such a high pen gun just to “balance it out” it is not good for anybody. Just like RHM and all those 2nd line TDs, paper tanks but monster guns. Guns that make armor even more useless than it alreaddy is.

You get kinda frustrated when even your non weakspots get penned by tanks far away not even designed to engage heavys and shoot their “non” weakspots. And or take damage that is similar or higher than in your heavy (obj 416, t-34-3). There is a reason mediums and TDs are so popular in tier 9-10, because they do do everything better and they have guns that make armor useless (with or without gold).

Also in t9-t10 some mediums have close to heavy alpha as well.

By: Ferdinand Porsche

Ferdinand Porsche — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 21:18:51 +0000

I see no reason to give STA-1 218mm of pen to beginn with. No matter if the tank has paper armor and mediocre mobilty it is still too much. And I think 259mm apcr and 275mm hesh is too much to be honest and quite frankly stupid when tier 8 meds can laugh thru tier 8 heavys like nothing by using gold and not even aim proper. 180mm of pen and 185mm of pen is enough to pen all tier 8 tanks frontaly except kv4 and that is all that should matter. Tier 8 tanks are not weak because they got “too little armor” or “too little standard pen” they are fucked because they meet tier 9 and 10 so freaking often where the tier 10s are often more than tier 9s. The increase in penentration for heavys, TDs and some mediums sky rocket at tier 9 which makes pretty much any armor irrelevant at tier 8 and even at tier 9. Tier 10 is joke alltogeather in terms of pen values. Now if we would speak about gold…..

By: Ferdinand Porsche

Ferdinand Porsche — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 21:10:40 +0000

Most tier 8 have mediocre performance other than RHM and some of the prem t8 heavys. The reason is that tier 8 meet alot more tier 9 and 10 these days and they were not balanced with that in mind. When the game was made even up untill 8.6 you meet tier 10 far less often than now and when you do you face like more than half the team with tier 10s. The removal of battletier was bad, as well as making it too profitable to play tier 10s.

How many times havent you been in tier 10 games to find that there are only 2-4 tier 8s? How is that fun for anybody at all? Tier 8 is screwed, not because tanks are bad (they are very good balanced) but because they face tier 9 and 10 so damn often.

By: Landric

Landric — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 20:11:04 +0000

The Pershing is still a better tank than the STA. The STA-1 has a better gun, but the mobility is the same, and the Pershing has some armor plus a very bouncy turret. The STA-2 has basically the same AP pen as the Pershing (185 v. 180), but I’d take the Pershing’s 258mm pen APCR over the STA’s 275mm pen HEAT any day of the week.

I won’t be buying an STA-2. I might do a mission to get one for free if that ever comes around. If the STA-2 had limited matchmaking, I might consider it. However, I have no desire to play what is essentially a nerfed STA-1 in tier 10 matches. The primary advantages of premiums are credit earning and crew training. Credit earning is fine, but it is reduced by matchmaking that will encourage (notice I don’t say require) the use of HEAT. Crew training is great, but there are an extremely limited number of tanks in the Japanese tree, and even fewer of those are worth keeping. I’d say at best most Japanese tank players need three skilled medium crews. This isn’t the Soviet or American medium lines where there are multiple tanks worth keeping and multiple crews required. So, the utility of a crew trainer, especially a tank that is pretty lackluster, is limited.

There are premium tanks worth having even if one doesn’t play a particular line simply because they are fun to play, FCM 50t, IS-6, SU-122-44, E-25, etc. I can’t see how the STA-2 will fit into that, so credits and crew are the main reasons. If it had something that made it stand out, like limited matchmaking or a unique gun, it might be another story.

By: Norens

Norens — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 19:59:23 +0000

I guess they are removing the MM limit so people don’t just buy a tier 8 premium with the luxury of being able to affect the outcome all the time (which is kind of crap when a 50 battle player buys one). Most tier 8 premium heavies are pretty forgiving even in tier 9 games. Creating premiums without MM limit requires brain activity for the driver, and if someone is not happy with that no one obliges you to buy it!

By: S A Y N O T O I S L A M

S A Y N O T O I S L A M — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:14:08 +0000

FCM50T is mostly top of the list unless it gets T9. CDC may be a med so it will be placed lower in the MM table but it can do all the work the FCM can do but just amazingly better.

DPM BUFF NEEDED. FCM is a heavy not a medium and the CDC is what the FCM50T should have been like!.

Wargaming are morons if they put the CDC on the live server as it currently stands.

By: noobz

noobz — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:58:59 +0000

i dont think that the cdc is not so overpowered, but rather all the other t8 meds are just utterly terrible. when the t44 or the STA 1 are the best meds at t8….somethings wrong.
and i have very good stats in the t44 and good stats in the STA , so i can tell you they arnt anything other than not bad