Comments on: Leningrad Siege Chronicles – Part 1

By: Barbu

Barbu — Sat, 31 Jan 2015 02:32:57 +0000

When Germany kills three to five million „casual cyrilic users” in a few years, it’s a crime. But when Stalin orders to „collect food” from seven millions in a single winter…
I know, it’s hard to comprehend such big numbers, but the fact remains: russians did more and bigger crimes than anyone else during (and around) the time of WW2. And get it right, you „casual cyrilic user”: Stalin killed more russians than Hitler ever dared to dream of. If you don’t care that your barbaric nation did most of the unspeakable in the war, at least you should care that the ones you glorify (and try to gloss over) did more nasty stuff to YOUR OWN COUNTRYMEN. And Putin is already well on the path to do the same, while western countries are (again) too coward to act; care to guess who will start the next WW? Hint: nobody in their right mind would ever believe again that it could be called… „patriotic”.

By: Grumpy_Stranger

Grumpy_Stranger — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 23:18:13 +0000

Reply depth limit.

If the blockade was intended to break the western berlin by denying the people basic necessities, then it kind of is, yes. Granted, the people in Berlin did not have the added concern of shells falling out from the sky, but starving people into submission is starving people into submission. Germany gets dick points for blowing up the city, but russians get dick points for actually pulling it off during peacetime.

They, as in ‘They’re taking our jobs’, ‘They wouldn’t do it so why should we’, etc. A loose social construct that can be applied to any formal or nonformal group of people generally supposed to be viewed as ‘the devil’, a staple of the ‘us vs them’ kind of political discourse and an easy way to make excuses. In that context I was referring to the mentality of ‘We did our war crimes, but they (the nazis) did worse!’, with the implication that how the guy dares to adress anything lesser than the obvious elephant in the room.

By: BudgeDragon

BudgeDragon — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 17:37:32 +0000

@Grumpy_Stranger
For some reason I cannot directly reply to you, so I have to go around. Nvm. Yes Soviet Union invaded Poland indeed as well as it had a non-aggression treaty signed with Nazi Germany and the Munich betrayal (1938 – before the war started) has already been mentioned as well. Who was first and who started what. Oh well, we could go back in time until… hold on… stone age? Alright, in order to avoid endless discussions about which Nazi was better and which crime should/shouldn’t be pardoned, I will go back to the core which was an attempt to compare Berlin blockade with the siege of Leningrad and here I say it is nonsense and these 2 things are incomparable. Yes mate that is the opinion of a casual Cyrillic user. Have a nice day.

P.S. If you happened by, you might wanna (or might not) answer this 1 question…
“But they started it’ is a schoolyard excuse when it comes to history.”
Who exactly is the “they” group?

By: Grumpy_Stranger

Grumpy_Stranger — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 21:17:40 +0000

1. The implication in that last comment is pretty clear.

2/3 The russian empire shares some of the guilt of escalating the austro-hungary – serbian mess into what would become the true ‘biggest onslaught in human history’. But if you’re looking at just WW2, the war started a long time before what the russian textbooks call the ‘Great Patriotic War’, with the red army mobilising just two weeks after the germans and jointly invading a sovereign country, which is one of the things I was referring when talking about things being glossed over (the others would be the ‘adventures’ of soviet soldiers in prussia and east germany, or three certain big events on Ukraine sometime around the war, just to name a few). ‘But they started it’ is a schoolyard excuse when it comes to history.

4. Nothing wrong with cyrylic in and of itself, but I’ve come to expect a particular mindset from people who use it casually. So far I have not been proven wrong.

By: BudgeDragon

BudgeDragon — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 20:06:52 +0000

First, Stalin signed a non-aggression pact with Hitler indeed, but that happened after the western countries – UK and France – had no balls to stand up against Hitler and his mad ideas and betrayed Czechoslovakia in 1938 (Munich Agreement a.k.a. Munich Betrayal). Western allies promised to come to come to aid if Czechoslovakia was in trouble and when it was needed they threw the country to Hitler. After the betrayal Chamberlain claimed that he had saved peace, in fact, he did not save shit and millions had died. Yes, you’ve got it right with hypocrisy.
Second, you ask me statistics. Well, you should read again what is written in point number 3 in my previous response. In case you are lazy to scroll up, I will write it for you again.
- It was not the Stalinist regime nor the red army that started the biggest onslaught in human history, was it? I add, it was not the Stalinist regime that claimed other races to be inferior and therefore to be exterminated.
So this is the statistics you have asked for.

By: isojorma

isojorma — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:20:26 +0000

Stalinist regime and red army were part of starting World War II by splitting all the countries between Germany and Soviet Union and invading em, including poland, baltics and finland, in 1939. Those two giant totalitarian regimes started World War 2 by cooperating together at first and attaking several independent nations without provocation (even though they faked such).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelling_of_Mainila

Was all part of this pact:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact

“Vladimir Putin says there was nothing wrong with Soviet Union’s pact with Adolf Hitler’s Nazi Germany”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/11213255/Vladimir-Putin-says-there-was-nothing-wrong-with-Soviet-Unions-pact-with-Adolf-Hitlers-Nazi-Germany.html

So allying with nazis and doing exactly what they do is just fine when it suits Russia’s own imperialistic plans to conquer other countries? Hypocrisy much?

Also on what statistics you base your “Red army/NKVD/Stalinistic regime didnt do as many crimes as Nazis” claim on? Id like to hear more details. Since both caused massive suffering to humanity in 1900s, with casualties up in tens of millions. Winning side gets more of those crimes pardoned?

By: BudgeDragon

BudgeDragon — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 15:01:12 +0000

Still in previous posts you compared what was incomparable. As for your recent post, what do you what to point out? That the Nazis were less guilty, for many Soviets had died in Gulags or … am I missing something? Have a nice day though.

By: BudgeDragon

BudgeDragon — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:57:53 +0000

1. I haven’t said a word about “fanboyism”, have I?
2. Red army/NKVD/Stalinist regime had committed many crimes, yet by far not so many as the Nazis did.
3. It was not the Stalinist regime nor the red army that started the biggest onslaught in human history, was it?
4. Cyrillic? What’s wrong with that? Should I have used Schwabacher in order to please the right-wing as well?

By: Oberonium

Oberonium — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:37:17 +0000

Maybe, British will write about it? It`s upon germans to write about it.

By: Grumpy_Stranger

Grumpy_Stranger — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:17:41 +0000

Why pointing out flaws of the stalinist regime is considered nazi fanboyism nowadays? Poles have no affection for either, but it is astounding how often the red army sins are glossed over compared to the nazi germany’s ones.

Just noticed you writing in cyrylic, that would explain quite a bit actually…