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		<title>By: piritskenyer</title>
		<link>http://ftr.wot-news.com/2015/02/02/stronk-french-history/#comment-260014</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[piritskenyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not like you fucktards realised halfway through that it was a what-if edition...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not like you fucktards realised halfway through that it was a what-if edition&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Keltisch WerWolf</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keltisch WerWolf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2015 16:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry E-90 was destined to be Tiger III but the E-75 was basically the replacement for the Tiger ! while the E-90 was to be the  replacement of the Tiger II. Hit post before post reading what I wrote duh lol!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry E-90 was destined to be Tiger III but the E-75 was basically the replacement for the Tiger ! while the E-90 was to be the  replacement of the Tiger II. Hit post before post reading what I wrote duh lol!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Keltisch WerWolf</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keltisch WerWolf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2015 16:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In late 1942, German designers started the development of more powerful and slightly larger version of Panther mounted on a newly designed chassis. In January of 1943, Adolf Hitler agreed on the development of Panther with increased armor protection especially for the needs of the Eastern Front. This project was designated Panther (2) II and its design was planned along with the development of Tiger II. In February of 1943, it was decided that Panther II, in its design would resemble Tiger II and would have many common components such as: tracks, transmission, suspension and roadwheels. Both designs had common components in an attempt to standardize the production. Overall dimensions were very similar to those of Panther Ausf G. Hull’s design was very similar to that of the late model Panther Ausf G but with many modernizations such as the arrangement of observation equipment and new engine deck. Its armor protection was significantly increased if compared to any other Panther variant produced. Side armor protection was 60mm thick while frontal armor protection was 100mm thick. It was planned to arm Panther II with the latest 75mm KwK 42 L/100 or even 88mm KwK 43 L/71 (without muzzle break) gun mounted in newly designed narrow turret – Schmalturm (designed by Rheinmetall in 1944 and to be produced by Daimler-Benz).

Panther II’s Schmalturm (narrow) turret was slightly different than that of Panther Ausf F. Turret’s armor protection was significantly increased if compared to any other Panther turret. Front was 120-125mm, gun mantlet was 150mm, while sides and rear were 60mm and top was 30mm thick. Schmalturm had special mountings for infrared device and telescopic range finder. All of those modifications increased Panther II’s weight to 47 tons. Panther II was to be powered by new Maybach HL234 engine with total power of 900hp operated by 8-speed hydraulic transmission. Instead Maybach HL 230 P 30 engine was mounted and Maybach HL234was later on due to be completed in August of 1945, for future Panther series. It was believed that Panther II’s performance would be similar to that of Panther Ausf G, while if ever produced Panther II would most likely suffer from the same problems as Tiger II. Simply because of its great weight and high fuel consumption which made it extremely slow. It is also unknown what other modifications would be made if Panther II would be combat tested.

&quot; And the E-75 was to be christened the Tiger III &quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In late 1942, German designers started the development of more powerful and slightly larger version of Panther mounted on a newly designed chassis. In January of 1943, Adolf Hitler agreed on the development of Panther with increased armor protection especially for the needs of the Eastern Front. This project was designated Panther (2) II and its design was planned along with the development of Tiger II. In February of 1943, it was decided that Panther II, in its design would resemble Tiger II and would have many common components such as: tracks, transmission, suspension and roadwheels. Both designs had common components in an attempt to standardize the production. Overall dimensions were very similar to those of Panther Ausf G. Hull’s design was very similar to that of the late model Panther Ausf G but with many modernizations such as the arrangement of observation equipment and new engine deck. Its armor protection was significantly increased if compared to any other Panther variant produced. Side armor protection was 60mm thick while frontal armor protection was 100mm thick. It was planned to arm Panther II with the latest 75mm KwK 42 L/100 or even 88mm KwK 43 L/71 (without muzzle break) gun mounted in newly designed narrow turret – Schmalturm (designed by Rheinmetall in 1944 and to be produced by Daimler-Benz).</p>
<p>Panther II’s Schmalturm (narrow) turret was slightly different than that of Panther Ausf F. Turret’s armor protection was significantly increased if compared to any other Panther turret. Front was 120-125mm, gun mantlet was 150mm, while sides and rear were 60mm and top was 30mm thick. Schmalturm had special mountings for infrared device and telescopic range finder. All of those modifications increased Panther II’s weight to 47 tons. Panther II was to be powered by new Maybach HL234 engine with total power of 900hp operated by 8-speed hydraulic transmission. Instead Maybach HL 230 P 30 engine was mounted and Maybach HL234was later on due to be completed in August of 1945, for future Panther series. It was believed that Panther II’s performance would be similar to that of Panther Ausf G, while if ever produced Panther II would most likely suffer from the same problems as Tiger II. Simply because of its great weight and high fuel consumption which made it extremely slow. It is also unknown what other modifications would be made if Panther II would be combat tested.</p>
<p>&#8221; And the E-75 was to be christened the Tiger III &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Draxynnic</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Draxynnic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2015 13:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Been the way pretty much since 1955. Adenauer did a LOT to demolish the idea of an innate Franco-German hostility as part of the natural order of things. Even before West Germany was allowed to rebuild its own armed forced, the French were getting German advisors in restarting the French tank industry, leading to official collaboration. (That collaboration later split and produced the AMX-30 and Leopard separately, but that&#039;s the French for you. Sooner or later they have a tendency to decide that it&#039;s only good enough for the French military if it was made in France.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been the way pretty much since 1955. Adenauer did a LOT to demolish the idea of an innate Franco-German hostility as part of the natural order of things. Even before West Germany was allowed to rebuild its own armed forced, the French were getting German advisors in restarting the French tank industry, leading to official collaboration. (That collaboration later split and produced the AMX-30 and Leopard separately, but that&#8217;s the French for you. Sooner or later they have a tendency to decide that it&#8217;s only good enough for the French military if it was made in France.)</p>
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		<title>By: Draxynnic</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2015 13:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The main thing about &quot;unhistorical Panther F&quot; that I can see is that the Panther F was planned to use a 75L70. The Germans considered an armament substitution to be worth calling it a new Ausf, so there would probably never have been an 88L71 Ausf F.

Experiments were being conducted for an 88L71 version, however. It just would not have been called the Ausf F, but it would be some later Ausf.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main thing about &#8220;unhistorical Panther F&#8221; that I can see is that the Panther F was planned to use a 75L70. The Germans considered an armament substitution to be worth calling it a new Ausf, so there would probably never have been an 88L71 Ausf F.</p>
<p>Experiments were being conducted for an 88L71 version, however. It just would not have been called the Ausf F, but it would be some later Ausf.</p>
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		<title>By: Draxynnic</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Draxynnic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2015 13:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In that scenario, they probably would have been better to compare to the T-44, maybe even the T-54.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In that scenario, they probably would have been better to compare to the T-44, maybe even the T-54.</p>
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		<title>By: Draxynnic</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Draxynnic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2015 13:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d take ten mediocre tanks over one &#039;superior&#039; tank, as long as the former&#039;s guns were good enough to have a reasonable chance of penetrating the latter.

That said, while the T-34 was faster and cheaper to build than the Panther, the numerical disparity had as much to do with Russia (and the US) simply having more capacity to build. There&#039;s probably no tank design that could have been introduced by the Germans in 1943 or later that could have substantially affected the war - by the time you&#039;re facing 10 to 1 odds against an opponent that&#039;s even vaguely strategically and tactically competent, technical advantages can only go so far. While I don&#039;t have the exact figures at hand, if you assumed the same industrial capacity was going into each, you could probably only build 2 or 3 T-34/85s per Panther, rather than 10.

When you remove the disparity in technical capacity, whether it&#039;s better to have one &quot;superior&quot; tank or a few &quot;good&quot; ones becomes a question of whether your bottleneck is in manpower or war materials. If you&#039;ve got lots of manpower, then going for quantity over quality with your equipment makes sense in order to equip all your soldiers. If manpower is your bottleneck, then superior equipment becomes a force multiplier - and Germany was in a situation of being outnumbered in personnel for pretty much the entire war except the period where Britain was their only credible opponent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d take ten mediocre tanks over one &#8216;superior&#8217; tank, as long as the former&#8217;s guns were good enough to have a reasonable chance of penetrating the latter.</p>
<p>That said, while the T-34 was faster and cheaper to build than the Panther, the numerical disparity had as much to do with Russia (and the US) simply having more capacity to build. There&#8217;s probably no tank design that could have been introduced by the Germans in 1943 or later that could have substantially affected the war &#8211; by the time you&#8217;re facing 10 to 1 odds against an opponent that&#8217;s even vaguely strategically and tactically competent, technical advantages can only go so far. While I don&#8217;t have the exact figures at hand, if you assumed the same industrial capacity was going into each, you could probably only build 2 or 3 T-34/85s per Panther, rather than 10.</p>
<p>When you remove the disparity in technical capacity, whether it&#8217;s better to have one &#8220;superior&#8221; tank or a few &#8220;good&#8221; ones becomes a question of whether your bottleneck is in manpower or war materials. If you&#8217;ve got lots of manpower, then going for quantity over quality with your equipment makes sense in order to equip all your soldiers. If manpower is your bottleneck, then superior equipment becomes a force multiplier &#8211; and Germany was in a situation of being outnumbered in personnel for pretty much the entire war except the period where Britain was their only credible opponent.</p>
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		<title>By: Draxynnic</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Draxynnic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2015 12:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Considering that nenshou specifically acknowledged that the T-34 was superior to the PzIV, I don&#039;t think there&#039;s much bubble-bursting there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering that nenshou specifically acknowledged that the T-34 was superior to the PzIV, I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s much bubble-bursting there.</p>
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		<title>By: Draxynnic</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Draxynnic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2015 12:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The more up to date French tanks like the Somua generally were about as mobile as their German equivalents at the time, had similar firepower, and better armour. Single-man turrets were a weakness, of course, but most tanks at the time had some weakness to them.

That said, to a degree the French ironically mirrored the latewar Germans - they arguably had the best tanks in the world at the time (the T-34 wasn&#039;t in service then, and those that were had two-man turrets - not as bad as one-man, but still a weakness) but MOST of what the French had were the obsolete hulls. That said, the Germans at least made token efforts to turn their obsolete hulls into something that was still somewhat useful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more up to date French tanks like the Somua generally were about as mobile as their German equivalents at the time, had similar firepower, and better armour. Single-man turrets were a weakness, of course, but most tanks at the time had some weakness to them.</p>
<p>That said, to a degree the French ironically mirrored the latewar Germans &#8211; they arguably had the best tanks in the world at the time (the T-34 wasn&#8217;t in service then, and those that were had two-man turrets &#8211; not as bad as one-man, but still a weakness) but MOST of what the French had were the obsolete hulls. That said, the Germans at least made token efforts to turn their obsolete hulls into something that was still somewhat useful.</p>
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		<title>By: rtfgvb</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Earlier T-34turret sucked though. by a lot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earlier T-34turret sucked though. by a lot.</p>
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