Comments on: 9.7 HD Super Pershing One More Time

By: danymsk

danymsk — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:31:51 +0000

While the effective armor is less, it’s goign to be just as bouncy due too the fact that 2 spaced armor plates will mean it gets way more shots absorbed.

By: jonnx

jonnx — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:42:50 +0000

SpeedyCraft51: I seriously don’t thin that is how APCR works.

to the other things.
nobody is shooting heat/hesh/he at SP.
people:
a) pens you into hull (more or less) easily with ap
b) aims for weak spots.

By: Emmity

Emmity — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 06:14:50 +0000

I really don’t understand why everyone keeps saying the SP isn’t as good as it used to be. Like who ever shoots your in the UFP anyway? People still shoot me in same place as always, the turret cheeks and the hatches. Occasionally the very top of the UFP, but that was a weak spot as well before anyway. I have noticed no degradation in the SPs performance at all and don’t expect any from this change.

By: RagnarokBazil

RagnarokBazil — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 01:45:40 +0000

it got buffed HARD.. under the 1st plate theres another spaced armor plate. you got about 350 armor roght there lol 500 if angled sp got its op armor back :)

By: Chad Mesiroff

Chad Mesiroff — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 21:34:41 +0000

Now HESH isnt the best, but with 275mm Pen there was literally no reason to use AP.

HESH`s 275mm splash hits drivers ports and MG ports as well.

Also the gun handling is so poor to sit there and aim for 4 secs onl to have meh accuracy is not smart. But hitting anywhere with HESH meant a good 4-800 DMG and if you had any un angled armor it was death.

By: Chad Mesiroff

Chad Mesiroff — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 21:28:31 +0000

To bad the gun handling blows.

In a slow US tank with many weakspots and is arty food the thing better have fast aimtime and low bloom to shoot and hide and this just doesnt. And with 240 ALpha vs 390 Alpha its night and day behind.

By: Boolooga

Boolooga — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 21:00:34 +0000

Only HE/HESH and HEAT lose additional penetration after hitting spaced armor (from the distance traveled after initial impact).

Spaced armor has no additional effect on AP and APCR penetrators than a single plate of their combined thicknesses. If anything a thicker single plate is better because AP and APCR rounds normalize on each plate they go through. An AP shell punching through two spaced armor plates and then hitting the hull will be eliminating 15° of angling and an 6° for APCR for no loss of penetrative ability.

http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Gunnery_%26_Armor_Penetration_%28WoT%29#Penetration_Mechanics

For example, using game mechanics two 40mm thick spaced armor plates over a 100mm thick hull hit by AP,all angled at 60° from horizontal, will have an effective armor of 273.4mm because of additional shell normalization provided by the spaced armor sheets (40 / cos(55°) + 40 / cos(50°) + 100 / cos(45°) ). A single 180mm thick plate angled at 60° from horizontal has an effective armor against AP of 313mm (180 / cos(55°) )

By: n3m37h

n3m37h — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 20:39:14 +0000

What are you talking about, WG never makes mistakes

By: Alfaro Mendez

Alfaro Mendez — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 19:56:10 +0000

the real super Pershing had ~331mm of penetration with HVAP(apcr) @100m. WG gave it ~256mm pen. i think
and it had comparable accuracy to the Tiger II 8.8cmL71. WG gave it .38

By: LegioCI

LegioCI — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 18:10:22 +0000

Actually, it never had the second spaced plate- that plate was modeled directly onto the main hull armor as thickened armor. (It was easier to model and required less server resources to determine penetrations.) The 8.6 was a nerf to the armor angling, reducing its overall frontal armor by ~1/3.