Comments on: Straight Outta Supertest: FV215b (183) Nerf

By: Nové mapy, Charioteer, 183ka a doplňky - Rychlá Rota

Nové mapy, Charioteer, 183ka a doplňky - Rychlá Rota — Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:20:53 +0000

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By: DobbysWrath

DobbysWrath — Sat, 22 Nov 2014 21:44:23 +0000

Also this nerf may force those not wanting to quite the 183 to camp more, which only goes against WG’s plan.

By: DobbysWrath

DobbysWrath — Sat, 22 Nov 2014 21:37:36 +0000

The HESH is unreliable, I only have 2 on my 183. The AP has given me much better results plus they are a lot cheaper.

By: RustyNail

RustyNail — Sat, 22 Nov 2014 19:03:00 +0000

Hi Ferdi Porsche,
I’m not sure if I understand your comment.

I haven’t played FV .. 183 so far, I have never played Type 59.
As I have explained I think that:
1) alfa dmg should be lower for 183,
2) turret armour should be weaker for Type 59.

In my opinion there is no reason to have such OP vehicles like 183 or WT E100, there is absolutely no reason to have premium vehicles on tier VIII strong like regular tier IX vehicles – Type 59 when launched to WoT.

I’m complaining about horrible work of WG: over-powered vehicles or not balanced vehicles in the right way (other tech parameters than those required) … everything ruins fair battles.

By: Ferdinand Porsche

Ferdinand Porsche — Sat, 22 Nov 2014 18:15:02 +0000

No tank is okay if it has 1750 avrage dmg. Also 230mm pen is enough to make that damage shooting all tanks in the game in the sides or rear. The tank is no where close to fine having that bullshit hesh ammo.

By: Ferdinand Porsche

Ferdinand Porsche — Sat, 22 Nov 2014 18:13:20 +0000

According to noobmeter the fv183 has the 2nd best global WR of all tier 10 TDs. Try again baby.

By: Ferdinand Porsche

Ferdinand Porsche — Sat, 22 Nov 2014 18:09:23 +0000

True, having so much alpha beeing put out in low amount of time is retarded. There were times where 1-2 TDs were the max you saw in games and that was fine and there were times where artys werent so overly popular so they needed to get nerfed. WG made a big misstake in making TDs and arty too strong from the beginning. Support vehicles have had too large impact on the game. First it was arty and now it is TDs, fuck that. WG should have never introduced any TDs that was better than the few original ones that existed in the game from the beta. Even the new artys are superior the old ones looking at their global WR.

Its all about players lazyness really, artys and TDs and even gold ammo enhance lazyness and static gameplay, because you have to take little risk and get high reward (in terms of damage) with these vehicles, opposed to most heavy and mediums beeing played with no gold ammo and no camping bullshit.

Its the whole arty-TD-gold-camping mentaly that is the core issue of the game and all these factors enhance eachother.

There was a reason people played arty too fucking much back in the days and there was a reason TDs became overly popular after 8.6 and there is also a reason people abuse the gold ammo usage. Its all about fucking cowardness and lazyness.

By: Ferdinand Porsche

Ferdinand Porsche — Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:59:08 +0000

I agree, some TDs and artys are made that even the most noobish idiot can punish any player by either 1 shot them or taking off 50-80% of their HP, and in return get maybe 300-400 dmg making those TDs have at least 60-70% of their HP left. Not to mention the generaly better pen (less aiming) and accuracy and aimtime they have. Many TDs also camp behind some hard cover and/or slopes so it will be hard to rush them because they will reload before you get there, not to mention that you will get sniped by his “TD” friends since TDs consist of 1/3 of all played tanks.

How ever in a heavy or medium tank, a noob if he manages to make damage will make like what 300-400 dmg per shot in tier 9-10 tank? Not to mention he will generaly take more risk in making that damage.

The discussion is not about TDs and artys overperforming, its about the huge 1 time alpha they make while taking very little risk and immagine 3-4 of those TDs in every game and 1-3 artys. It is a living hell and it doesnt enhance dynamic gamplay.

By: Ferdinand Porsche

Ferdinand Porsche — Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:51:08 +0000

Then dont play it. It has its advnatages like highest AP alpha and AP pen, it doesnt matter by how much and it has a turret. Of course it needs to be rebalanced. Also the 183 has been discussed and a controvercial subject for a long time because it got that fucking 1750 alpha ammo, so yeah WG nerfing it is not an issue really because their agenda is to nerf the TD class in some way. You points would be valid if it had only AP ammo, but not as long as it has the shit 1750 dmg capabilities.

By: Lhynn

Lhynn — Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:45:54 +0000

Unless they screw up the armor buff like the one on the VK4502B to make it invulnerable from the front, no other kind of armor buff will/could compensate such a huge mobility nerf. 25/30/40%+ nerf?? Wargayming is definitely out of its mind. The real first and last issue with the 183 is the gun’s abnormally high alpha with Hesh rounds. It was enough with nerfing Hesh to 1400 alpha for 180 pen and keep the mobility as it is, given that it’s all the tank has apart from its gun (armor is useless against any Tier 9 and above tank whatever the angle, shoot wherever you want in autolock, you’re sure to pen and destroy at least one module or crew member). But “no, let’s keep the ridiculous gun and destroy all the rest around, and then we’ll be proud to announce that we killed once and for all another TD, after the exagerated Foch 155′ nerf that made it complete useless shit”.
Eventually found out WG’s motto: “Troll more, F*** logic”.
So sad.
If no urgent rebuff planned, mine’s gonna be sold as soon as the patch comes out.