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	<title>Comments on: Straight Outta Supertest: Achilles and Archer</title>
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		<title>By: Britské stíhače (5,6,7) &#38; Oficiální info ohledně IM - Rychlá Rota</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2014 16:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/11/25/straight-outta-supertest-achilles-and-archer/ http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/11/24/straight-outta-supertest-challenger/ [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Septfox Malkier</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Septfox Malkier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2014 00:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[edit: wall of text, YES.

46d/s for the Archer, eh.

Consider: WG-provided traverse speeds are with the stock engine. The Archer will probably end up getting the Valentine&#039;s stock engine to start with, and then upgrade to its unique 192hp engine...amusing things are going to result.

Anyone who has driven the Luchs both stock and elite will know what I&#039;m talking about; how it goes from being a slug that traverse like a brick, to something worth driving when you get that final engine. According to my scratched-together numbers, the Archer will have in the neighborhood of 65d/s effective traverse rate when upgraded to its best engine. For something to compare to, both the new Chaffee and T21 traverse at roughly the same rate (though the T21 can&#039;t pivot, so it *feels* slower).
A few other tanks done up and a link to the formula used here: http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/390065-so-what-is-the-luchs-real-hull-traverse-rate-anyway/

On top of that, *extremely* low ground resistance to overcome compared to most other tanks it faces. It&#039;s going to be able to out-turn light tanks on hard and moderate terrain, maybe even on boggy terrain depending on the tank. It should be able to easily keep up with most mediums trying to circle it. You should definitely try to not be in a position where you&#039;re circled anyway, naturally, but anyone who does try to circle you is potentially in for a nasty surprise.

All assuming that it gets the 135hp stock engine from the Valentine, of course. If it starts with one of the upgraded engines, things change a bit. Top engine from the Valentine being the stock engine, for example, only results in a difference of 27hp, bringing the total traverse down to ~53d/s. Still pretty good for a TD, but not &quot;oh god why can&#039;t I get around this guy&quot; impressive.

I see the tank being something of a sleeper. Many (most?) people will be turned off by the low alpha and reverse  forward speed. But in the hands of someone who knows what they&#039;re doing, the quick reverse, decent to good traverse, TOG gun that can depress to a usable degree (I was expecting -5 here, -7.5 is a bonus) and swing quite wide, and likely good camo values should combine to make it a surprisingly effective package.

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On the other hand, unimpressed with the Achilles, to be honest. I was really hoping for better gun depression...the tank has no hull armor and a highly unreliable (at best) turret, peeking over hills and spamming shots when it could was all it potentially had. -5 is on the bad side of things and will force it into either trying to use certain Soviet medium spots for sniping, or trying to play like a somewhat sluggish medium...
Meh : \]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>edit: wall of text, YES.</p>
<p>46d/s for the Archer, eh.</p>
<p>Consider: WG-provided traverse speeds are with the stock engine. The Archer will probably end up getting the Valentine&#8217;s stock engine to start with, and then upgrade to its unique 192hp engine&#8230;amusing things are going to result.</p>
<p>Anyone who has driven the Luchs both stock and elite will know what I&#8217;m talking about; how it goes from being a slug that traverse like a brick, to something worth driving when you get that final engine. According to my scratched-together numbers, the Archer will have in the neighborhood of 65d/s effective traverse rate when upgraded to its best engine. For something to compare to, both the new Chaffee and T21 traverse at roughly the same rate (though the T21 can&#8217;t pivot, so it *feels* slower).<br />
A few other tanks done up and a link to the formula used here: <a href="http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/390065-so-what-is-the-luchs-real-hull-traverse-rate-anyway/" rel="nofollow">http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/390065-so-what-is-the-luchs-real-hull-traverse-rate-anyway/</a></p>
<p>On top of that, *extremely* low ground resistance to overcome compared to most other tanks it faces. It&#8217;s going to be able to out-turn light tanks on hard and moderate terrain, maybe even on boggy terrain depending on the tank. It should be able to easily keep up with most mediums trying to circle it. You should definitely try to not be in a position where you&#8217;re circled anyway, naturally, but anyone who does try to circle you is potentially in for a nasty surprise.</p>
<p>All assuming that it gets the 135hp stock engine from the Valentine, of course. If it starts with one of the upgraded engines, things change a bit. Top engine from the Valentine being the stock engine, for example, only results in a difference of 27hp, bringing the total traverse down to ~53d/s. Still pretty good for a TD, but not &#8220;oh god why can&#8217;t I get around this guy&#8221; impressive.</p>
<p>I see the tank being something of a sleeper. Many (most?) people will be turned off by the low alpha and reverse  forward speed. But in the hands of someone who knows what they&#8217;re doing, the quick reverse, decent to good traverse, TOG gun that can depress to a usable degree (I was expecting -5 here, -7.5 is a bonus) and swing quite wide, and likely good camo values should combine to make it a surprisingly effective package.</p>
<p>-</p>
<p>On the other hand, unimpressed with the Achilles, to be honest. I was really hoping for better gun depression&#8230;the tank has no hull armor and a highly unreliable (at best) turret, peeking over hills and spamming shots when it could was all it potentially had. -5 is on the bad side of things and will force it into either trying to use certain Soviet medium spots for sniping, or trying to play like a somewhat sluggish medium&#8230;<br />
Meh : \</p>
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		<title>By: IOSYS</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IOSYS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Archer looks like it could be a blast.

Y&#039;know, I hated the wolverine.
Wolverine with the 17 lber?
GOTY.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Archer looks like it could be a blast.</p>
<p>Y&#8217;know, I hated the wolverine.<br />
Wolverine with the 17 lber?<br />
GOTY.</p>
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		<title>By: CaptianNemo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CaptianNemo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2014 14:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yet the tracks turn it at 46d/s... It will be fine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet the tracks turn it at 46d/s&#8230; It will be fine.</p>
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		<title>By: armatage</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[armatage]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2014 11:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It would be so funny if it was a french tank, with all the &quot;french battle flag&quot; jokes and all]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be so funny if it was a french tank, with all the &#8220;french battle flag&#8221; jokes and all</p>
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		<title>By: Conte_Vincero</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Conte_Vincero]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nah, it actually makes the most sense. There isn&#039;t enough room at the front, and if it was placed there there would be too much weight on the front road wheels. Pointing it backwards is the only way that it could fit without a serious redesign]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah, it actually makes the most sense. There isn&#8217;t enough room at the front, and if it was placed there there would be too much weight on the front road wheels. Pointing it backwards is the only way that it could fit without a serious redesign</p>
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		<title>By: Anlushac11</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anlushac11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Think of it as shooting a Valentine in the rear. Its fairly small so should have excellent camo]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think of it as shooting a Valentine in the rear. Its fairly small so should have excellent camo</p>
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		<title>By: Anlushac11</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anlushac11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Archer is basically a Valentine tank with gun firing over rear and regeared to be faster. 

Your supposed to use it like Crusader SP so its slow to advance and fast o escape. 

Ergo, you ambush and run like hell]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Archer is basically a Valentine tank with gun firing over rear and regeared to be faster. </p>
<p>Your supposed to use it like Crusader SP so its slow to advance and fast o escape. </p>
<p>Ergo, you ambush and run like hell</p>
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		<title>By: UM98</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2014 09:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right, time to free up a space and re buy my Valentine]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, time to free up a space and re buy my Valentine</p>
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		<title>By: Anlushac11</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anlushac11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2014 09:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Achilles is based on M10 not M36. Technically M36 is based on M10 also since all they did was swap turret and rearrange ammo stowage. 

Also, last I knew there was no historical precedent for Achilles name. It was referred to as M10C.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Achilles is based on M10 not M36. Technically M36 is based on M10 also since all they did was swap turret and rearrange ammo stowage. </p>
<p>Also, last I knew there was no historical precedent for Achilles name. It was referred to as M10C.</p>
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