So. Light tanks are pretty much equivalent to tier 9 meds and heavies.
Now we need Tier 9 lights so as to be equal to tier 10 meds and heavies :P
Can’t seem to find any difference from what we have now O.o
M6 Alien doesnt fight tier 10 any more , thats buff.
Chaffee now has normal tier 5 light mm
sorry for stupid question, but what is exactly tier 11?
It’s BATTLE tier. Now that’s different than tank tiers. It’s is used to setup “fair” matches.
Tier 11 contains only Tier 9 & 10 MT, HT, TD, SPG and Tier 8 LT. We use to have Tier 12 which was Tier 10 only.
It battletier where tier 9 and 10 can only fight or tanks with such MM value.
What about T-25?
what about it ? It has normal tier 5 medium tank MM
so this only shows premiums with preferential MM?
Yes lol, have you really never looked at a MM chart before?
Yes. It’s not a specially crippled premium medium, so it doesn’t need special MM. Really, it’s competitive with any other equal-tier german med.
And it doesnt need special MM, unlike Ram-II
LOL Ram II is one of the funnest and my highest win-rate tanks. If you can’t play it right, sell it.
Ram-II 867 Battles 58.71% WinRate
where is ke ni otsu, supertest?
That one was being tested even before the Te-Ke. Now it’s just hanging in the files.
why on hell t-50 has normal LT mm? its WORSE scout than a-20
Interestingly enough, historically people prefer the T-50 over the A-20.
I prefer the A-20…. faster, lighter, more agile, adequate gun……
Still, the T-50 is not a *bad* light for its tier, and it’s not an infantry tank (unlike most of the special-mm lights). Also, nicer armor for lucky bounces and good cannon. Fun times in both.
A-20 agile? When did that happen. Last time I tried it it was like driving a torpedo.
So AT15A still has its terrible MM, it really needs premium MM
When was the last time anybody saw that rustbucket :D Too unimportant.
I saw it ONCE!!! was like the last unicorn or something :D
Churchill III has a buff
now max MM is tier 6
nice
It was like this since forever.
Always had that MM.
Churchill 3 has had pref matchmaking for at least as long as I’ve owned it
I check WOT wiki and it says CIII max MM is 7?
wiki wrong?
It looks like that page says it gets battle tiers 5-7 (chart on the right)
Does it says different somewhere else on the page?
Didn’t lights have +4 mm up until now?
(Now they will have just +3?)
Umm… they’ve had the +3 MM since 9.1…. or 9.2 I forget which, but it has been at least a few months since they buffed the lights.
it was nerf: higher tier=more hp to shoot/spot
There’s no way how to spot tanks with Chaffee in battle tiers above 9 except surviving battle to undecided end game on open maps that are now rare. Every medium has same or better view range, high camo depending on crew and some of them better or similar top speed. On the other hand it was needed to somehow compensate how OP it is on tier 7.
They HAD that kind of MM (even worse for end-of-line lights, back when they all were at max 5).
Then came the french, then T-50-2s went extinct and germans were adjusted…. recently most were cut their top-tier mm…..
Overall, I find all of this as wonderful news….. just need to save for my RU <3
No one has noticed the micromaus buff, only tier 2 games, gonna pimp that thing out more now.
Can you tell me, where you see it, please?
Tier 2 tanks PzKpfw. 1 (aka micromaus) with only tier 2 high lighted, meaning it will only meet tier 1s, and 2s.
Actually Pz. 38H 735 (f) is the micromaus…
Sorry your right I thought the list was for mainly premium tanks, no buff for Pz.Kpfw. 38H 735 (f)
I curse the day I sold my Pz-Hotchkiss -_-
You can get is back actually. Just contact support, there is option to get ONE premium tank back, if you have credits and place in a garage.
It was WAY before the “buy back” system was in place, so I doubt they’ll grant it.
But will try anyway, maybe they’ll allow it.
Thanks.
So, T2 Light tank MM is still broken, nice. I always enjoy meeting tier 4s with 30 mm of pen OpieOP.
FYI, the APCR shell of T2 Light has 41 mm of penetration and AP shell has only 30.
P. S. It is just a scout, so why are you complaining about his MM?
Well, it has insane top speed and very nice acceleration and turning rate…. ground resistence could be boosted a bit, but it’s a darned fun tank to play with.
Also…. if you’re going personal against Tier-4 heavies with a Tier-2 whatever, you deserve to die.
Who sayed something about going in front of tier 4 heavys? I just really dislike the fact, that T2 LT really struggles to pen even back of tier 4 meds and it has worse mm than normal tanks even when it is premium. What for? To be scout? With 260 m vierange and 325 radio range? Not even talking about how this whole “scouting” stuff is broken in game atm.
where is t34 and lowe ? or there is just the preferential mm /?
Individually listed tanks are exceptions from their tier and class. T34, Löwe and other premiums not listed behave like their normal counterparts.
Didn’t they say the Löwe and T34 see more Tier 10s than usual Tier 8 tanks?
No preferential MM for them.
If they were to give them special MM, they’d certainly get nerfed, and we don’t need that.
WTF ??? Cruader in premium tanks ??? Somebody know, what’s going on ???
It’s not in premium tanks. It just has preferential matchmaking.
All Infantry lights, due to having low mobility and low armor, have preferential MM instead of hard-level “scout mm” the rest of lights have, starting with Tier 4
My suggestions:
1. Tier4 Lights need to have 5-7 Battle Tier range, same as normal T5 tanks. And need to be rebalanced for it. Having bt4-7 range just makes them bad for platooning and impossible to balance because in bt4 they’d be OP and in bt6-7 completely useless.
2. T-50 needs complete rebalance for BT it has. Should not have MM changed like A-20 but instead buffed.
3. T2 Light Tank needs normal tier2 MM. It is completely useless even in tier3 match, more so in t4. And scouting a lot wasnt useful before and is much less now. Alternatively, it can keep current MM but with huge increase in view range. But this would mean it’s still bad for platooning
4. Not a fan of current tier4 heavy tank MM. It causes multiple problems. Makes tanks bad for platooning and in general neither of those tanks is enjoyable to play or even used. No one plays them, which clearly indicates something is wrong.
Actually, I see at least one B1 or DW2 every other battle in my Cruiser II Stress Relief Derp and my Panzer S35. And I actually enjoyed the B1, although that was before the advent of the German Glass Cannon TD line.
1.- Tier-4 Lights fighting in Tier-4 battles is a welcome relief from tougher battles. Also, it helps offset the fact that some Tier-4 Lights act as gateways to Tier-5 Meds, and many got awful reputation as “bad tanks” for being there.
2.- Tier-4 Lights are not useless in Tier-6/7 battles. It’s there where you have to stop thinking about your tank as “fast medium with small cannon” and act like “can dash around with no camo penalty” agile tank. That allows for easy transitioning from scouting to flanking to infiltrations…. the trick is knowing when and how to move from one task to the next.
3.- If you’re platooning with a Light, you MUST know the MM of your vehicle and those of your platoon mates. If you want an easier life, get a Med or Heavy.
4.- T-50 is alright. It’s got more armor, better cannon and better terrain resistence than A-20. The illusion that the T-50 is now “worse than the A-20″ came from the fact that the A-20 was once in a harsher MM, and thus people disliked it. The A-20 has now a nicer MM, and those of us that like it are glad for it….. New players now have to choose between the lithe and agile A-20 and the tougher T-50…. and still, the handling isn’t that different anyway.
5.- T2 LT has unmatched top speed, top-grade acceleration and turning rate, and good visibility. The only thing it needs is slightly better ground resistence so that it doesn’t become sluggish while off-road. It’s the lowest-tiered true scout. Just watching the cannon stats should be enough for people to understand it’s not meant for heavy combat.
6.- Well, call me no one, for I very much love my Luchs, greatly enjoyed the PzNA, Leopard (back when it was Tier 4), Covenanter, T-50, A-20, M5 Stuart and Ke-Ho, and am planning to get the duckling again (fun times).
You have absolutely no clue. Everything you said is wrong. It would take ages to refute the BS you typed.
Check my stats Puntosmx @ NA server. I’m specialized in lights, so even if I’m no authority on them, I know what I’m talking about.
Don’t feed the troll !
Just check his comment about tier 8 for another laugh.
Interesting points D_d. My thoughts:
1. Agreed. Give T4 light’s MM of 5-7 and a slight scouting/camo buff, where needed.
2. T-50 is a lost cause. Wish it was bringed back to former glory of pocket driftrocket; who cares for historical accuracy.
3. Fully agreed. It can’t even act as scout with 260m (joke)viewrange.
4. Yeah they are far from perfect, but it’s pretty minor issiue. There are far bigger problems on T4 (matilda and TDs) that have much bigger impact on game…
If only the brought back battle tier 12 so t8 mediums/heavies wouldn’t suffer from all those t10 battles where they are almost useless against t10 powercreeped fucktanks
You know there may actually be a case for that but it would need to be put forward using sensible language and a well thought out argument.
Unfortunately since WG hid the numbers of tanks in the queue we don’t have the evidence to hand.
Tier 8 queue times don’t seem excessive any more though, which could be an indication that there are enough tier 10 tanks to warrant BT12 on a limited basis at least.
that list is missing an essential tier 3 tank PZ-1c is not on the list at all why not its utilized as a scout on a lot of maps and some times in Medium tc’s as well when you use 2 of them
it’s not missing.
it gets normal tier 3 light tank MM, so there isn’t an exception for it.
It would be too good if you gave it 3-4 mm, and it would be painful if you gave it 3-6mm.
Medjed i agree i am so tired of having my non premium tier 8 tanks having to take on tier 10′s constantly its costing more more to repair and re-arm everytime i go into a battle now worse than before
It was already pretty bad before but now I don’t even play t8 except if I really have to for unlocking t9. It is the worst tier after tier3, and they ruined t8 only because Russian server has too many t8 so long queues or some BS like that.
What? Tier 8 is most Universal balanced and fun to Play (as always there are exceptions)
What about Su100Y and Dicker Max?
Normal MM
I still don’t understand why high tier light tanks with less hp, less armor and comparable view range never get to see their own tier and often get saddled in battles way beyond it?
they should get each tier balanced and equal and have it all the same, except for premiums which get preferred as part of being a premium.
The issue seems to be lack of light tanks to fill the slots.
Way back, the top was Tier-4 for lights and 8 for SPGs.
When they found enough tanks to arrange the arty to their equivalent tiers, they did so.
So, if they had enough light tanks to fill up to Tier 10, they’d certainly fix the trees again and adjust their matches.
why can’t i ever find the type 64 premium tank on the list?
So. Light tanks are pretty much equivalent to tier 9 meds and heavies.
Now we need Tier 9 lights so as to be equal to tier 10 meds and heavies :P
Can’t seem to find any difference from what we have now O.o
M6 Alien doesnt fight tier 10 any more , thats buff.
Chaffee now has normal tier 5 light mm
sorry for stupid question, but what is exactly tier 11?
It’s BATTLE tier. Now that’s different than tank tiers. It’s is used to setup “fair” matches.
Tier 11 contains only Tier 9 & 10 MT, HT, TD, SPG and Tier 8 LT. We use to have Tier 12 which was Tier 10 only.
It battletier where tier 9 and 10 can only fight or tanks with such MM value.
What about T-25?
what about it ? It has normal tier 5 medium tank MM
so this only shows premiums with preferential MM?
Yes lol, have you really never looked at a MM chart before?
Yes. It’s not a specially crippled premium medium, so it doesn’t need special MM. Really, it’s competitive with any other equal-tier german med.
And it doesnt need special MM, unlike Ram-II
LOL Ram II is one of the funnest and my highest win-rate tanks. If you can’t play it right, sell it.
Ram-II 867 Battles 58.71% WinRate
where is ke ni otsu, supertest?
That one was being tested even before the Te-Ke. Now it’s just hanging in the files.
why on hell t-50 has normal LT mm? its WORSE scout than a-20
Interestingly enough, historically people prefer the T-50 over the A-20.
I prefer the A-20…. faster, lighter, more agile, adequate gun……
Still, the T-50 is not a *bad* light for its tier, and it’s not an infantry tank (unlike most of the special-mm lights). Also, nicer armor for lucky bounces and good cannon. Fun times in both.
A-20 agile? When did that happen. Last time I tried it it was like driving a torpedo.
So AT15A still has its terrible MM, it really needs premium MM
When was the last time anybody saw that rustbucket :D Too unimportant.
I saw it ONCE!!! was like the last unicorn or something :D
Churchill III has a buff
now max MM is tier 6
nice
It was like this since forever.
Always had that MM.
Churchill 3 has had pref matchmaking for at least as long as I’ve owned it
I check WOT wiki and it says CIII max MM is 7?
wiki wrong?
No, you are wrong.
http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Tank:Churchill_LL
It looks like that page says it gets battle tiers 5-7 (chart on the right)
Does it says different somewhere else on the page?
Didn’t lights have +4 mm up until now?
(Now they will have just +3?)
Umm… they’ve had the +3 MM since 9.1…. or 9.2 I forget which, but it has been at least a few months since they buffed the lights.
it was nerf: higher tier=more hp to shoot/spot
There’s no way how to spot tanks with Chaffee in battle tiers above 9 except surviving battle to undecided end game on open maps that are now rare. Every medium has same or better view range, high camo depending on crew and some of them better or similar top speed. On the other hand it was needed to somehow compensate how OP it is on tier 7.
They HAD that kind of MM (even worse for end-of-line lights, back when they all were at max 5).
Then came the french, then T-50-2s went extinct and germans were adjusted…. recently most were cut their top-tier mm…..
Overall, I find all of this as wonderful news….. just need to save for my RU <3
No one has noticed the micromaus buff, only tier 2 games, gonna pimp that thing out more now.
Can you tell me, where you see it, please?
Tier 2 tanks PzKpfw. 1 (aka micromaus) with only tier 2 high lighted, meaning it will only meet tier 1s, and 2s.
Actually Pz. 38H 735 (f) is the micromaus…
Sorry your right I thought the list was for mainly premium tanks, no buff for Pz.Kpfw. 38H 735 (f)
I curse the day I sold my Pz-Hotchkiss -_-
You can get is back actually. Just contact support, there is option to get ONE premium tank back, if you have credits and place in a garage.
It was WAY before the “buy back” system was in place, so I doubt they’ll grant it.
But will try anyway, maybe they’ll allow it.
Thanks.
So, T2 Light tank MM is still broken, nice. I always enjoy meeting tier 4s with 30 mm of pen OpieOP.
FYI, the APCR shell of T2 Light has 41 mm of penetration and AP shell has only 30.
P. S. It is just a scout, so why are you complaining about his MM?
Well, it has insane top speed and very nice acceleration and turning rate…. ground resistence could be boosted a bit, but it’s a darned fun tank to play with.
Also…. if you’re going personal against Tier-4 heavies with a Tier-2 whatever, you deserve to die.
Who sayed something about going in front of tier 4 heavys? I just really dislike the fact, that T2 LT really struggles to pen even back of tier 4 meds and it has worse mm than normal tanks even when it is premium. What for? To be scout? With 260 m vierange and 325 radio range? Not even talking about how this whole “scouting” stuff is broken in game atm.
where is t34 and lowe ? or there is just the preferential mm /?
Individually listed tanks are exceptions from their tier and class. T34, Löwe and other premiums not listed behave like their normal counterparts.
Didn’t they say the Löwe and T34 see more Tier 10s than usual Tier 8 tanks?
No preferential MM for them.
If they were to give them special MM, they’d certainly get nerfed, and we don’t need that.
WTF ??? Cruader in premium tanks ??? Somebody know, what’s going on ???
It’s not in premium tanks. It just has preferential matchmaking.
All Infantry lights, due to having low mobility and low armor, have preferential MM instead of hard-level “scout mm” the rest of lights have, starting with Tier 4
My suggestions:
1. Tier4 Lights need to have 5-7 Battle Tier range, same as normal T5 tanks. And need to be rebalanced for it. Having bt4-7 range just makes them bad for platooning and impossible to balance because in bt4 they’d be OP and in bt6-7 completely useless.
2. T-50 needs complete rebalance for BT it has. Should not have MM changed like A-20 but instead buffed.
3. T2 Light Tank needs normal tier2 MM. It is completely useless even in tier3 match, more so in t4. And scouting a lot wasnt useful before and is much less now. Alternatively, it can keep current MM but with huge increase in view range. But this would mean it’s still bad for platooning
4. Not a fan of current tier4 heavy tank MM. It causes multiple problems. Makes tanks bad for platooning and in general neither of those tanks is enjoyable to play or even used. No one plays them, which clearly indicates something is wrong.
Actually, I see at least one B1 or DW2 every other battle in my Cruiser II Stress Relief Derp and my Panzer S35. And I actually enjoyed the B1, although that was before the advent of the German Glass Cannon TD line.
1.- Tier-4 Lights fighting in Tier-4 battles is a welcome relief from tougher battles. Also, it helps offset the fact that some Tier-4 Lights act as gateways to Tier-5 Meds, and many got awful reputation as “bad tanks” for being there.
2.- Tier-4 Lights are not useless in Tier-6/7 battles. It’s there where you have to stop thinking about your tank as “fast medium with small cannon” and act like “can dash around with no camo penalty” agile tank. That allows for easy transitioning from scouting to flanking to infiltrations…. the trick is knowing when and how to move from one task to the next.
3.- If you’re platooning with a Light, you MUST know the MM of your vehicle and those of your platoon mates. If you want an easier life, get a Med or Heavy.
4.- T-50 is alright. It’s got more armor, better cannon and better terrain resistence than A-20. The illusion that the T-50 is now “worse than the A-20″ came from the fact that the A-20 was once in a harsher MM, and thus people disliked it. The A-20 has now a nicer MM, and those of us that like it are glad for it….. New players now have to choose between the lithe and agile A-20 and the tougher T-50…. and still, the handling isn’t that different anyway.
5.- T2 LT has unmatched top speed, top-grade acceleration and turning rate, and good visibility. The only thing it needs is slightly better ground resistence so that it doesn’t become sluggish while off-road. It’s the lowest-tiered true scout. Just watching the cannon stats should be enough for people to understand it’s not meant for heavy combat.
6.- Well, call me no one, for I very much love my Luchs, greatly enjoyed the PzNA, Leopard (back when it was Tier 4), Covenanter, T-50, A-20, M5 Stuart and Ke-Ho, and am planning to get the duckling again (fun times).
You have absolutely no clue. Everything you said is wrong. It would take ages to refute the BS you typed.
Check my stats Puntosmx @ NA server. I’m specialized in lights, so even if I’m no authority on them, I know what I’m talking about.
Don’t feed the troll !
Just check his comment about tier 8 for another laugh.
Interesting points D_d. My thoughts:
1. Agreed. Give T4 light’s MM of 5-7 and a slight scouting/camo buff, where needed.
2. T-50 is a lost cause. Wish it was bringed back to former glory of pocket driftrocket; who cares for historical accuracy.
3. Fully agreed. It can’t even act as scout with 260m (joke)viewrange.
4. Yeah they are far from perfect, but it’s pretty minor issiue. There are far bigger problems on T4 (matilda and TDs) that have much bigger impact on game…
If only the brought back battle tier 12 so t8 mediums/heavies wouldn’t suffer from all those t10 battles where they are almost useless against t10 powercreeped fucktanks
You know there may actually be a case for that but it would need to be put forward using sensible language and a well thought out argument.
Unfortunately since WG hid the numbers of tanks in the queue we don’t have the evidence to hand.
Tier 8 queue times don’t seem excessive any more though, which could be an indication that there are enough tier 10 tanks to warrant BT12 on a limited basis at least.
that list is missing an essential tier 3 tank PZ-1c is not on the list at all why not its utilized as a scout on a lot of maps and some times in Medium tc’s as well when you use 2 of them
it’s not missing.
it gets normal tier 3 light tank MM, so there isn’t an exception for it.
It would be too good if you gave it 3-4 mm, and it would be painful if you gave it 3-6mm.
Medjed i agree i am so tired of having my non premium tier 8 tanks having to take on tier 10′s constantly its costing more more to repair and re-arm everytime i go into a battle now worse than before
It was already pretty bad before but now I don’t even play t8 except if I really have to for unlocking t9. It is the worst tier after tier3, and they ruined t8 only because Russian server has too many t8 so long queues or some BS like that.
What? Tier 8 is most Universal balanced and fun to Play (as always there are exceptions)
What about Su100Y and Dicker Max?
Normal MM
I still don’t understand why high tier light tanks with less hp, less armor and comparable view range never get to see their own tier and often get saddled in battles way beyond it?
they should get each tier balanced and equal and have it all the same, except for premiums which get preferred as part of being a premium.
The issue seems to be lack of light tanks to fill the slots.
Way back, the top was Tier-4 for lights and 8 for SPGs.
When they found enough tanks to arrange the arty to their equivalent tiers, they did so.
So, if they had enough light tanks to fill up to Tier 10, they’d certainly fix the trees again and adjust their matches.
why can’t i ever find the type 64 premium tank on the list?