We’ve had a number of Buff My Tank articles here on FTR, but what about a nerfing one? During my research, I have come upon an interesting statement that, as a completely impartial guardian of history, I could not possibly keep from you. In Comrade Halepskiy’s bitching and moaning about shuffling around various 37 mm guns, 45 mm guns, and machine guns (it’s not quite as easy as right clicking on a module in your garage), he writes down an interesting phrase:
“…the [37 mm] Hotchkiss gun has poor ballistic qualities, and penetrates less armour than a machine gun with armour piercing bullets.”
The machine gun in question is the DT (Degtyaryev, tank version), a 7.62 mm machine gun. The cartridge used is similar to a Mosin, which can penetrate 15 mm of armour at 150 meters. That’s not so great by in-game standards. That means the WoT version of the gun should be completely useless, right?
Hm, guess not. Maybe then in-game machine guns will get a similar buff?
How terrible.
OMG ROSIN BAIS!
SerB don’t like it ＼（＾ ＾）／ ＼（＾ ＾）／ ＼（＾ ＾）／
Machine guns :D I especially love Pz. I C one – I let them shoot full clip at my Pz. S35 to get Cool-Headed medal :D
Yeah, Pz. I C is the king, but machine guns ducks on longer range.
btw: got 7 day ban for “stalin is gay” in signature xD
I suppose you also forgot the russian new anti-gay law, right?
Do they apply to eu forum to? ;)
lol I remember sitting in a battle for two minutes straight letting a Panzer IC just shoot my AMX 40, then I blasted him with HE from my 75 mm gun, set him on fire, and blew him up. Cool-Headed and Steel Wall in one battle.
IS BALANCE, COMRADE!
Not the first time ive heard this, with some saying they prefered machine guns with AP ammo to cannons. The Boys Anti-tank Rifle was used quite effectivley by the Finns for taking out Soviet tanks.
Note that it used HESH, so in-game it would be rubbish
No, no it did not. You’re probably confused with that crazy fast 7.92mm ATR, which also didn’t use HESH but operated on a similar principle
Ah, that’ll teach me not to post without googleing.
or maybe not, what was I thinking of then…
Lahti L-39?
…AKA “Elephant Gun”, which wasn’t worth shit against T-34s and KVs -unsurprisingly- but 20mm shell carries enough payload it found a new lease of life as a sort of light infantry gun/superheavy sniper rifle. Solothurn rifles in the same (Solothurn) caliber were used for very similar purposes in the Chaco War where tanks were nowehere to be seen.
Surplus Lahtis seem to be pretty popular in the US for some reason, and have been put to all kinds of interesting if unsavory uses over the decades.
It’s definitely need a nerf for historical accuracy
From data I found on SA18 (Original version of 37mm Hotchkiss gun):
http://www.tbof.us/data/tanks/h35/hotchkiss_h35.htm
The penetration value in game is great buff and of course is a part of Russian bias.
MS-1 in game is damn sniper tank.
So, about the top gun, we have this table:
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/ussr/guns.asp
27mm armor at 500m, scale down in game I think it’s around 35mm at 100m.
This is most complete armor penetration value that I can find on Internet:
http://www.tarrif.net/cgi/production/all_penetration_adv.php
The gun was capable of more or less reliably penetrating around 50 mm of armour at 400 meters, and is capable of doing it not so reliably at up to 800 meters: http://tankarchives.blogspot.ca/2013/06/soviet-45-mm-at-guns.html
Oh, I mentioned 37mm B-3 gun, I forgot about 45mm gun.
Actually, is there any plan to put the 45mm gun in MS-1?
Yes, the last MS-1/T-18 modernization equipped them with 45 mm guns. Most of them were used as immobile firing positions, but some modernized MS-1s continued fighting as tanks until at least 1942.
Ensign,
This question is something off-topic but do you notice some accuracy going down in 8.7 update compare to 8.6 update? I’m trying to have proper test on shell distribution.
Maybe a little, but then again, I did play a lot of KV-1S games recently, and it’s not exactly a sniper. Sure, do a test. I love data :)
Problem is I’m not good at this, and also not have much time to do it. Do you know who did the test compare between 8.5 and 8.6 ?
Hi, I really like your Nerf/Buff My Tank series, and I was wondering: how to nerf/buff the AMX 40? I prefer its stock turret (had it not been for the lacking SA 35), and I’d stick to a 47mm gun if it had decent, not-quite-Mk.X-B-but-close-enough pen.
The real Mle 37 AT gun (used as tank version in B1 and D2, as at gun in FTAC and UE 57) had around 100 mm of penetration at 100 metres, so it would be “Mk.X-B-like” penetration. But in order to buff it that gun has to be removed from D2, it would be too good for tier 3 tank. Also, French 47 mm guns do the same damage as Mk.X-B (55), despite the latter has lass caliber – 40 mm, and a littlejohn adapter which makes the shell diameter even smaller. Other nations 47 mm guns do more damage – 60 – 70 like.
Merci à tous pour ces émotions et ces partages et bravo aux organisateurs