Straight Outta Supertest: AMX 30 B and AMX 30 Proto Changes

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Hello everyone,

as expected, the tier 10 AMX-30B (should be AMX 30 B, but meh, both are acceptable) was buffed on supertest, and the tier 9 AMX-30 Prototype was nerfed. Here’s how.

AMX-30B (tier 10)

- terrain resistance buffed from 0,959/1,151/2,014 to 0,863/1,055/2,014
- viewrange buffed from 400 to 410
- DPM buffed from 2392,4 to 2741,9
- reload time buffed from 9,781 to 8,534
- ROF buffed from 6,134 to 7,03
- accuracy buffed from 0,326 to 0,288
- aimtime buffed from 2,3 to 2,01
- accuracy on the move buffed by cca 10 percent

That means the vehicle stats look like this now:

Hitpoints: 1900
Engine: 720 hp
Weight: 36 tons
Power-to-weight: 20 hp/t
Maximum speed: 65/23 km/h
Hull traverse: 48 deg/s
Terrain resistance: 0,863/1,055/2,014
Turret traverse: 39,6 deg/s
Viewrange: 410
Radio range: 782,1

Hull armor: 80/35/?
Turret armor: 80/40/?

Elite gun: 105mm
Damage: 390
Penetration: 260
ROF: 7,03
DPM: 2741,9
Reload: 8,534
Accuracy: 0,288
Aimtime: 2,01s
Depression: -8

AMX-30 Prototype (tier 9)

- accuracy on the move nerfed by cca 7-10 percent
- DPM nerfed from 2568,7 to 2464,9
- reload nerfed from 9,11 to 9,493
- ROF nerfed from 6,586 to 6,32

That means the vehicle stats look like this now:

Hitpoints: 1650
Engine: 720 hp
Weight: 32,5 tons
Power-to-weight: 22,15 hp/t
Maximum speed: 65/23 km/h
Hull traverse: 36 deg/s
Terrain resistance: 0,863/0,959/1,726
Turret traverse: 45,9 deg/s
Viewrange: 390
Radio range: 782,1

Hull armor: 80/30/?
Turret armor: 80/40/?

Elite gun: 105mm
Damage: 390
Penetration: 260
ROF: 6,32
DPM: 2464,9
Reload: 9,493
Accuracy: 0,316
Aimtime: 2,21s
Depression: -8/+20

118 thoughts on “Straight Outta Supertest: AMX 30 B and AMX 30 Proto Changes”

    • These are like tank inspector stats so it has the same accuracy as the leo 1 with a worse aim time and slightly worse dpm

      • Leo has slightly worse DPM than this. But has slightly better pene. But both tanks looks mostly equal. I don’t enjoy playing Leo too much. It has bad DPM, I don’t feel it’s so much accurate neither and it’s camping style is not for active players, like me. But for example, I enjoy STB a lot, even it’s not that fast.

    • 1/10th of a second slower aimtime, .02 increase in accuracy. I see nothing wrong with this. We have to wait to see what its gun handling characteristics will be first. If it has handling as good or better than the Leo 1, it’s going to be a damn fine tank indeed.

    • its the same accuracy these are like the stats on tank inspector they are for 100% crews so it has the same accuracy and aim time as the E 50m going by tank inspector

    • For the all E-50, Leo 1 and AMX-30 B there we have 0.3 accuracy, so what is your exact problem?

  6. I dont get it, they want to buff scouts/ make em more usefull and yet, every new tier 10 comes with over 400m viewrange… just wondering why there’s still not one scout with over 400

    • seriously .. why dont you guys get it?

      THERE ARE NO TIER 10 LIGHTS

      and no light competes with tier 10 meds

      in MM tier8 lights gets matched with tier9 meds and in stronghold/team etc. even against tier8 so they get balanced somewhere between tier8 and 9 … and still most tier8 lights can easily dominate most tier9 battles … you just need to know how since 400m is really good and camo values even better and not affected by moving … when you come to mobility and firepower lights are not very far behind and some even pretty badass

      so lights are very strong at the moment, no matter what tier – and please dont start with the bad map changes .. a good player can adapt and still dominate in lights

      • 100% Right! Even me (total idiot in light tanks; learned it just some weaks ago after nearly 4 years of WoT) can get 2 marks on the gun barrel of the WZ-132. Lights are everything but underpowered. Even in tier 10 battles it’s easy to to more dmg than your own HP in a tier 8 light. And that’s not even the main task of a light…

        (Texting on an iPod with German autocorrect in English isn’t very funny)

      • silas the noob, try to learn the game;

        all tier 8 lights r tier 10 since thats the standard MM so they need tier 10 view range to easily outspot tier 10 meds.

        all maps have been nerfed and bushes eradicated so all lights r now played as pocket meds. nobody scouts in high tier lights anymore. i play ru and lttb like meds, same with dog. if U scout in a RU251 ur CLUELESS.

        If u want to learn how to play lights watch sirconflexes live stream. he RARELY scouts in a bulldog except at end of games. he plays it like a lighter medium.

        i even play Luchs as a pure damage dealer

        • Um, no, scouts have one tier higher MM, so a tier 8 scout has the same MM as tier 9 tanks, not tier 10 tanks.

          Tier 8 scouts play like aggressive mediums because tier 9-10 matches have a different meta than lower tiers. Tier 4, 5, 6, and 7 lights ARE meant to scout, and if you look at their view ranges and camo values, they are well suited for the role. As someone with 10% of their battles in the same light tank (M24 Chaffee, 1500 battles), I can assure you that spotting is still a viable tactic. Only a handful of maps had bushes removed (Malinovka’s magic forest comes to mind), but that was primarily to fix invisible TDs. If you don’t fire and don’t break your camo, your absurd camo and best-in-tier view range will allow you to spot very effectively.

          The only tiers where light tanks aren’t as useful are tiers 9 and 10, but that’s because the “scout tanks” in those tiers are called mediums.

          If you disagree with someone’s play style, great, but don’t be an asshole about it. I play light tanks like light tanks, and I’m willing to bet my stats show that it works.

    • tier 8 lights have very strong camo factor while moving… best in this category tier 10 med – Ob.430 have about 20% worser camo than AMX13-90

  7. That accuarcy is insane, not sure if it is there because of the accuarcy changes or just to compensate for the low armor

    • Which shouldn’t really be a surprise given that both tanks were apparently part of the same competition for a contract … which probably means that they were both designed to the same general specs.

    • Except the front of the 30B’s turret has something like 200mm effective frontal armor, which means you have more of a chance of a turret bounce with this thing than the Leo.

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    • valid question, but on the other hand, game is full od T-54 clones, why complain about cloning a pretty and capable tank? :) Id take it.

      • I wouldn’t really call the AMX 30B a true clone. After all, it’s not like the French made a copy of a Leo. In reality, it sounds like the Leo1 and the AMX 30B were designed at the same time to the same general specifications. It shouldn’t really be a surprise that they are a lot alike in that case, but that doesn’t make one a “clone” of the other.

        • And at the time, it was far from certain which one would be more successful. History says the Leo was the better tank, but that’s primarily because the French powerpack didn’t work up to spec until a refit and the Leopard had *far* better upgrades as time went on. The AMX didn’t even receive gun stabilization.

          Well, and also only certain L7 shells worked in the French gun. It was designed around the HEAT round, and when everyone else in NATO is using an L7 derivative, what do you choose.

            • Do you even know what a stabilizer is? Those are used for keeping a gun stabilized while the tank is in movement. The real life AMX-30 did not have a gun stabilizer yet was very accurate at long range.

    • AMX 30B / [Leo 1]

      Hitpoints: 1900 [1950]
      Power-to-weight: 20 hp/t [20.75 hp/t]
      Maximum speed: 65/23 km/h [same]
      Hull traverse: 48 deg/s [57 deg/s]
      Terrain resistance: 0,863/1,055/2,014 [Leo better]
      Turret traverse: 39,6 deg/s [38 deg/s]
      Viewrange: 410 [same]
      Hull armor: 80/35/? [Leo slighty worse]
      Turret armor: 80/40/? [ Leo worse, but im afraid about small part above AMX mantlet, its very thin]

      Damage: 390 [same]
      Penetration: 260 [268] (i expect that AMX gold pen should be higher than 330)
      ROF: 7,03 [7,19]
      DPM: 2741,9 [2805,3]
      Reload: 8,534 [8,34]
      Accuracy: 0,288 [same]
      Aimtime: 2,01s [1,82s]
      Depression: -8 [-9]

        • all stats above are with 100% crew… for Leo and for AMX 30B

          SS from time to time forget to mention that he is writing tank stats with crew with 100% in their primary skills

            • The stats in game are for the crew-MEMBER with 100% primary skill. The stats in tank inspector are the actual stats for the whole crew with 100% primary skill, meaning each of the crew members, except commander, also receive 10% skill bonus from the commander skill.

              In other words, when all your crew is at 100% , then apart from commander they all have effective skill at 110%

              So the actual tank stats, like displayed in tank inspector, appear to be better than they really are, because people compare them to the “virtual” in-game stats.

      • So Leo is better in nearly every aspect. What’s the point of AMX then? I don’t wxpect it to have better gun hidden stats because those of Leo are awesome already. Maybe gun mantlet is going to be at least a little troll or it’s not going to be ammoracked constantly. I mean, something has to be in AMX’s favour, right…? ;P

        • If they give it the OBUS(g) HEAT round, it’ll have a 400mm pen gold round in its favor.

          If they do that? All will be unrustled.

  13. So will they finally buff then the Leo1 – or how the fuck do these Parameters justify in comparison?

        • Yes, thats one Mainproblem to the Game (beside the Premium-Ammo) – Medium Tanks have far too much Penetration, what absolutely does not make sense. No Medium Tank should have more Pen than a Heavy Tank, or you end up that Meds just penetrate Heavies and TD’s frontally. Medium Tanks should have their Pen reduced to max 220 or such

          • meds dont have more pen..they seem to have in paper but actually they dont and thats because they have apcr ammo(exept 121) which gets 2 degrees normalization and heavy tanks have ap which gets 5 degrees normalization.for example t110e5 with 258 ap can pen easier than e50m which has 270 pen and thats because ap has far better normalization.also apcr and heat rounds at heavy tanks(exept is7) are way better than those on meds.

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  16. Wow Tier 9 Amx 30 is better then the Leo PTA in almost every aspect…
    Why can they balance the Tier10 right compared to the german counterpart, but not the Tier9 one?

    • I recently bought the Leo PTA coming from the RU and I cannot see any advantages on this tier 9. For a medium with no armor whatsoever, its mobility is poor. The RU is a nicer tank to drive with a good RoF and with scout camo bonification.

      • Leo PTA is one of the worst grinds in the game (I am sure some samrt-@ss will comment otherwise) and it was admitted by someone from WG (read it on FTR) and it was said that it has been kept like that for a reason.

        My WR tanked when I was grinding that tank.

        Tanks like the Leo and PTA are extremely circumstantial. When they get maps on which their view-range and mobility is useful, they shine. But on most corridor maps they are a liability to the team to say the least.

        Mobility counts to naught because the enemy has got all approaches already covered, you try to get around them and meet an unspotted WT or a T-62A you can kiss your ass good-bye.

        It is a waste of time to grind the leo PTA and play the leopard 1. Its uselessness in randoms is appalling. Ofcourse you will have one or two matches in 100 games where these tanks will be fun but most of the times they are just useless.

        Go down the russian med line, they lack gun depression but have plenty of armor to make up for it.

        And the uselessness of the Leo1 in CW is abundantly clear by the earlier post in FTR today.

        • Leo 1 is not useless in clan wars. It is the goto sniper tank of CW. They could be used even more often than they are in my view, but a lot of callers still like BatChats more than their actual performance should dictate.

        • Wz-120 coming from lt line says hi.

          The 122mm makes the tank, but it still has no gun depression or hull armor. And dont get me started on the accuracy. Makes my Jpz feel like the e50m in comparison.

        • Looks like im not the only one thinking instantly at the PTA when seeing those AMX 30 Proto T9 stats which are downright OP if you compared the two.

          First i kinda hated the PTA especially due to that huge aim time and bloom, but i finished the grind with a %60 which surprised me too. Guess it was good battles. The tank is still lacking. People said it has no gun dep and good rof because it’s fast lol! but Centurion Mk7/1 also has super shit hull armor and terribly slow speed, yet it has the same rof.

          But now WG comes up with this AMX 30 Proto which downright rekts, pwns both PTA and Centurion MK7/1 after looking at its stats.

          It’s just as fast as PTA .and the gun holy fuck
          Accuracy: 0,316
          Aimtime: 2,21s vs PTA 3.6 acc and 2.9!!! aim time!

          And least but not last the rof 6.32 vs PTA’s 4.62!! simply put : PTA after taking a full can of steroids!!

          What Afrika_Korps is saying is what i’ve also read awhile on FTR when someone asked Storm about the shit tanks in-game. And his answer was there are tanks for MONETIZATION PURPOSES and as explained by SS : intetionally made bad so they will make you take out your credit card and spend some money on free XP. Very smart eh? and Leo PTA was confirmed to be one of those tanks!

      • 268mm of pen is the difference… Also the PTA is pretty damn fantastic
        - source (better dpg than most of my 10′s approx. 2600)

    • Stop complaining. Finally a french tank is better than most of the tanks of the same class and same tier.

        • well, those and 1390 are the only french tanks in the game that are competitive in randoms, and even then both batchat and 50b are average in solo randoms, its about time french got some tanks that are amongst the best on their tiers.

          Notice im not talking about CW/SH/TB.

  18. A question, for those that have the 13-90 elited, do we need to get the XP to buy the new tier 9 ?

      • If that is the case, should we disable the crew training option on the elited 13-90 if we plan to get these two new tier9-10 french tanks?

        • Seems like a good idea. What’s the worst that can happen? You have some free XP that needs converting if you can’t use the XP to research the 30B proto? Seriously, if you enjoy playing your 13-90, and want to get a head start on researching the 30B proto, why not start collecting some XP? There’s probably no rush, since this probably won’t come out for another 1-3 patches.

  19. And what will be the point of PTA and Leopard 1 after these vehicles?

    Perhaps it would be time to give PTA its historical -9 degrees gun depression along with RoF buff?

    • What would be the point of any older tank? And no 9 in gun pepression is too much, andfuck history kid. Irl the PTA would get 1 shot by all tanks so. Also lets nerf the pen on PTA because it has too much pen (270) and hence make armor useless. I look forward to the pen nerf for tier 9-10 mediums ahahaa. Dont cry kid.

          • I’m not a kid, but anyway. WG said they will check the high tier >300 PEN shells. Which will probably mean a nerf to gold shells. And I have nothing against nefing the gold shells as I’m not an eager user of them.

            How about you learn some manners?

            • Nope, they said they will check all tanks having outstanding pen and specialy high tier mediums since some of them get like 257mm from tier 9. And even if they have 257mm apcr pen that is too much. WG may nerf gold ammo pen a bit, but be sure they will nerf standard pen as well. Also remember it is not economicly viable to nerf gold ammo, secialy not when game has so many freeloaders. Anyways I think tier 9 and 10 meds should have max 235-240mm equivalent AP pen, which is around 250mm apcr max. Why do you need 270mm apcr anyways ahaha? The maus proto will prolly get 215mm pen and that is a tier 9 heavy ffs. Medium tanks should be support just like tds and arty, not “jack of all trades”. Game is based on ww2 where heavy tanks were the best. Now if I see u in a game, you better scout in your leo PTA, otherwise….boom boom =)

              • Seriously just shut up. Please tell me your in-game nick and I will report you. If I will see you in a game while I’m playing PTA then I’m not going to scout for you.

                I’m only saying that if AMX-30 PT comes into the game with those stats then PTA simply has no role. As it stands now AMX-30 PT is pretty much better on every level and that is not good for balance.

                Also I don’t remember WG saying anything about nerfing the medium penetrations. Please gimme some source. And even if that’s true I doubt they will touch the Leopards penetrations as they are currently performing as they should be. PTA is even considered UP according to its WR.

                Please go grow up somewhere else if you want to troll/make useless arguments. This game is about tanks not about WW2 HEAVY tanks. Learn to play and stop being so jelly.

    • PTA and Leo would be mobile brawlers
      AMX-30 Proto and 30B would be stationary snipers
      So basically just like real life in which the Leopard 1 was intended to move fast and hit hard while the AMX-30 sits safely at long range to snipe.

  20. They should get hyper-velocity APFSDS ammo.

    WG strives for historical accuracy after all.

    In fact , when the leo 1 and 30b were released , I don’t think anyone still used APCR at all.

  21. I have almost enough XP on my 13/90 for the path up to the BatChat, will NOT be spending that on the Lorraine, AMX-30 Prot here I come, AMX-30B soon thereafter :-)
    These two look to be fun tanks, I look forward to a future test server!

      • BC25 is completely different tank/playstyle in the first place. How could you even compare those two.

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  26. So, after the changes, AMX 30 Proto is still better then Leo PT A and AMX 30 B is still worse then Leo 1 (apart from armour and turret traverse).

      • Yeah, both are still subjects for change.
        But now I was pointing out to a statement I made in the post where AMX 30 Proto was first revealed.
        The approach of these two tanks is interesting (one being better, one being worse).
        Leo 1 is my favourite tank and I also loved the PT A despite all of it’s issues. Thus said, I’d rather want these frenchies remain like this then being clones in a different body of my favourite tanks. Not that I won’t like that, but I preffer them the way they are now.

  28. Finally some true french meds, not this auto-loaded BS. I might check ‘em out at some point.

  30. Leo PTA is one of the worst grinds in the game (I am sure some samrt-@ss will comment otherwise) and it was admitted by someone from WG (read it on FTR) and it was said that it has been kept like that for a reason.

    I’ve seen unicums with personal rating above 10K skip that tank to free XP the leo 1.
    It is that bad.

    My WR tanked when I was grinding that tank.

    Tanks like the Leo 1 and leo PTA are extremely circumstantial. When they get maps on which their view-range and mobility is useful, they shine. But on most corridor maps they are a liability to the team to say the least.

    Mobility counts to naught because the enemy has got all approaches already covered, you try to get around them and meet an unspotted WT or a T-62A you can kiss your ass good-bye.

    It is a waste of time to grind the leo PTA and play the leopard 1. Its uselessness in randoms is appalling. Ofcourse you will have one or two matches in 100 games where these tanks will be fun but most of the times they are just useless.

    Go down the russian med line, they lack gun depression but have plenty of armor to make up for it.

    And the uselessness of the Leo1 in CW is abundantly clear by the earlier post in FTR today.

  31. I am more and more like WTF at WG when tier 8, Panther II with a top gun has aiming time of 2,7 sec, while all those T10 medium behemoths have 2,1 sec aiming time

    SERIOUSLY?

    Panther II needs a massive buff at least for aiming time. FFS all other T8 mediums have aiming time of around 2,3 sec!

  32. So it’s effectively a Leopard clone…well, at least the French will finally have a non-autoloading tank for a tier 10 (WG promised non-autoloading medium and heavy lines ever since the French were added to the game, and modeled and tested some of the vehicles but for one reason or another never added them).

  33. if a stabilizer can be mounted on this thing (speaking of which why didnt the French put it in the tank in the first place? the 30B2 which has modern hax outfitted to it has one I believe) as equipment, pretty sure the accuracy penalty on this thing wont be that punishing if its mounted should the RUdevs decide to make this frustrating in OTM shooting.

  34. I would not be surprised if amx30 were not able to fit vstab, it would be a great idea for balance