Source: http://world-of-ru.livejournal.com/3743612.html
Meanwhile on Russian server…
Here’s a link to replay. Summary of the video: Cromwell is running around being shot at but without spotting the shooter even at relatively short distance. Notice the direction the shells are arriving from – the enemy vehicle is in the corner behind the bushes, but doesn’t get spotted, because fuck you, bushes rule.
Ah damnit, 9.6….
You were the chosen one!!!
Well… not exactly but it sure does seem strange if WE have to check EVERY DAMN THING on the Live-Server for “coding bugs”!
It seems like the spotting system is just completely broken, it looks like the light tank is driving around while the Cromwell is driving, shooting him all the while. The game just NEVER did any vision checks and the light tank never rendered. Well done WG, you know what, NA doesn’t even want the update anymore, keep it.
nerf bush :))
when ur in a light with full camo crew and coated optics and arty in a bush spot u before u spot him the game is broken!
whena arty have full camo crew and camone net in a bush u probably need to proxy spot him….. learn about game mechanics….. your brain is broken ;)
no UR brain is broken or ur just a TROLL. If i have to proxy spot an arty in a bush then they have already seen me, NOOB!
In real life would arty camping bush outspot scouts?, I think NOT!
A scouts camo on the move and view range should be better and outspot arty in a bush with a camo net.
Have you really just said that IRL crew of a tank sitting concealed (in said bushes) would not spot a tank driving in the open before he would spot them?
Now I know what kind of people are playing WoT… *shakes head in disbelief*
same with maps.
small maps (mines, karelia and hidden valley) and all city maps (himels, kharkov and stalig) favor hvy tanks so why not have large maps that favor lights and heavies so they can flank and use vision advantage? SERBs answer, large maps r bad for hvys, YES!, thats the idea!, since most current maps favor heavies!
@master_deathdealer
give that man a pills….. i play alot of lights and meds….. and for me its everything ok arty can do the spoting like you in the bush ;)
Yestersday I continuously managed to pull this off with my Luchs on multiple maps, and was laughing so hard when a Covenanter shot everything around me except me while I reloaded twice and shot his side.
Although I admit , while it’s an advantage when you can do it, it’s anoying as hell when it happens to you :P :D
Are you sure he didn’t see you? ;-) :-D
Sixth Sense didn’t turn on, plus accuracy didn’t get nerfed that much xD xD
well actually it did go on at the beginning. so it could mean he was spotted all the time.
LoL – WTF
For the sixth sense to go off and on again, you have to be unspotted for a moment.
Yesterday Rhm Borsig on “Highway” camping aroud J5 in a bush waitng for 4 tier 9 heavy tanks (ST-1, M103+ 2 E75) to pass in front of me so our 4 artys will shoot them, after they took a VERY long time. 3 tanks captured our base and killed 2 artys. and the whole team reported me (WTF they walked only about 35 meters in front of me) sixth sense didn’t activate and i didn’t see anything.
u sure u didnt fall asleep.
Wut? That clearly wasn’t happening because of some bushes or camo. The arrows, which show, from which side are you soht at – showed that he is getting shot from rocks mostly (like the enemy T67, was between him and the rock).
To me it looked like an invisibility cheat, if there was one for WOT. But most probably some sort of bug because of mods/lags/drunk server/working as intended spotting mechanics/whatever.
This.
That’s not some bug of the spotting system or the bushes. That’s cheating or extreme lag.
Edit: Not on topic but the poll on arties was hijacked.
I think it might be outdated mods which render some tanks invisible for him. Remember it happening with Birch Gun model.
Invisibility cheat, I’ll have heard everything.
Only cheats possible are client side, so wallhack/invisibility/invincibility/reload/accuracy cheats are not possible because all these datas are serverside.
What happened: either the bush is bugged, either the spotting system failed, either the player had a lag bad enough for not receiving data of the ennemy’s position (or a mod conflicting with it, feel the fucked up hitzone install that removed many tanks skins: he is beig shot by many tanks, not just one, and he cant see any)
Think, before saying shit like that. “It’s a hack he can be invisible !”, same as all the noobs being “reload cheaterz ! You fire too quickly I counted !” While talking to autoloaders.
“To me it looked like an invisibility cheat, if there was one for WOT”…… do you even read bro?
Well it would be possible to make an invisibility cheat client side.
One that makes your enemies invisible, but not you :-P LOL
Maybe this guy got trolled by a cheat he installed LOL
lol if you ever heard of a program called NetLimiter it doesnt matter if its client-sided or not, this looks just like somebodys glitching, and i highly advise you not to argue about stuff you never did nor understand :)
Has to be either client-server desynch (I’ve even seen allies disappear with bad lag), or a corrupted client.
Indeed, some arty-whiners united for the eternal pixel-war about “I’m righter than you” :D
Yup. Either his mods are telling him wrong values or at least the T67 was inside the rocks in the south. The other explanation is extreme packet loss. It’s obvious that it has nothing to do with bushes, when the Cromwell goes to the extreme southwest of the map. If there were any vehicles, he’d have proximity spotted them, because not only were there not any more bushes, but also the map was at an end.
It happened to me couple of patches ago, but in my case It was IS3 that I couldn’t see even though I was pushing it in front of my jagdE100. of course my team called me names and all that, and it turned out that one of the mods was not working properly (some tank skins mod IIRC)
Take a look at the shots at 0:37 and 0:47 in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIUdIpM20ko
They came from the direction of the rocks, but the enemy could not have fit between its target and that rock. Also, while being invisible, why would he move around like that if it were some kind of intentional thing on part of the shooter?
Perhaps something got messed up in the server and the victim here got the “you were hit in this place from this and that direction” data that was meant for a different tank somewhere else on the map.
HE KEMP BOOSH
UNFAIR PLANE
Spotting definitely is broken. I have had numerous instances recently where this was clearly the case.In my cases, there were no bushes concealing the enemy tanks. In some instances, I was hid behind bushes. Enemy tanks were in sight and close enough to be well within my view range.
I also had a strange effect of nearby enemy vehicles passing my position quickly blinked on and off.
Oh these incompetent arseholes at Wargaming once again.
do you use mods?……. delete them
Cleary not caused by mods, since T-25 and Luchs are experiencing the same bug/lag/whatever.
I made a short video, which illustrates this very well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIUdIpM20ko
Also note, how the T67 just dissappears and won’t get spotted by the T-25 or the Cromwell (impossible to not get spotted by one of them).
The vid says it all… must be the new premium consumerable: Dimension Portal
same battle, same replay different camera angle
The purpose of the video is it to give you a better overview of what is happening. This way you can see, that there is no way how the T67 could have escaped. It also shows you, that the Cromwell’s team mates have no clue what’s happening as well.
Yeah… from this view it seems like some synchronisation problem, likely at the server – the data about spot just don’t get to the tanks, but the data about shots do.
Ugh…the shot direction indicator shows that Cromwell is being shot from…every direction ? Doesnt look like the shooting guy was sitting in the bushes
0:36 – hill “shot” him
0:41 – rock “shot” him
0:47 – hill “shot” him again
It’s three different tanks, too, from the hit log.
But mostly its the Pz IV. And his shots are coming from the hill’n’rock
This doesnt look like a fuckup, more like someone clipped into the terrain and managed to shoot the Cromwell from there
But why and how would that person move from hill to hill? The shots came from different hills. It doesn’t make sense.
Did anyone try contacting that PzIV player and asking for his replay?
so let’s play on a flat table, we won’t have any more spotting problems…..
Only in WOT tank can dissapear from sight while crossing plain open field…But its ok, as long as we are fed with WG imaginary tanks…
Nice example of WG idiocracy is removing VK 4502 P ausf. B because being made up tank and they want to get away from made up tanks and on other side they introduce CDC as medium…Well as long as it fills their pockets its okay being made up tank.
CDC existed in blueprints. What’s your point?
Only cdc on blueprints was tank destroyer…but WG change tanks definition as their pocket suit best…
A french medium tank crew trainer is needed, and considering that the AMX-30 branch is coming, that need is only going to increase. Not to mention the fact that CDC has a completely different playstyle compared to the french TD’s. So I would say that both WG and the players profited from this decision.
If the CDC was a tank with the specs presented in WoT (for the most part), then it seems to me that it was more of a medium tank than tank destroyer.
Think of the Hellcat and similar mid tier US TDs. If their turrets turned at a speed more consistent with medium tanks, they’d seem more like medium tanks (or light tanks, in some cases) than TDs.
Most tanks fit into stereotypical tank type roles, but some do not. And sometimes it’s a matter of perspective. IIRC, when the Pershing first showed up, I think that it was termed a heavy tank, but only later on was it designated a medium tank. Perspectives change, roles change.
I think that what WG did was look at the CDC’s historical (paper?) stats and decided that it fit the paradigm of a medium tank better than it did a TD. Did the fact that they probably felt that they needed a premium medium tank trainer factor into their decision? Most likely, but I won’t hold it against them.
Honestly, this seems like an entirely rational and justifiable decision to me.
CDC is not made up….. it has blueprints……. they consider made up vehicle the one that they themselves constructed aka made up….
He obviously knows that the CDC existed, that’s why he said they introduced it as a MEDIUM. The CDC was supposed to be a _TD_ in reallife, yet WG introduces it as a med…
Well, AMX-40 was light… I wouldn’t really rely on classes per se…
To guys like Zoltan1251 … It is nothing against you – i just … want to say my point of view using your words as good moment for it …
First, i never had any problems with tanks like for example … JgP E-100 or KV-5 …, because i like cool tanks in arcade game. Do not like this – go to real military career if you want to play with real tanks with real battle condition :D … Drinking something, eating, hearing music or radio and playing tank game (any tank game) is not realism at all …
In real life if your trucks are damaged you need long time to repair it and you cannot just click repair … You have enemy infrantry who will kill any tank crewmember trying to repair trucks in real battle front … :D
Second, when i saw information about Maus (super cool tank and i like to drive him in WOT) will be added to War Thunder i laughed hard. Realism (game about realism …) in WT with Maus ? With tank that was not able to cross any bridge lol … ? Of course, germans made two prototypes of this tank, of course they wanted to add him to real battle, but we will never know if it would be ever possible. Just it could still broke during their first tests in battle field. And … real front line german commanders could end battle career of Maus very quicky just using Mauses like moving bunkers alone with normal bunkers and not using them as real tanks at all …
He was clearly being shot by an angry bush, he’d run over so many bushes that day they just got sick of his shit and decided to fight back.
Do you mean the lizard Bush family? Not possible, they send the marines, planes and tanks with a hefty supply of depleted uranium shells when they get angry.
It’s The last march of the Ents: Bush edition.
Fight it with fire!!! Burn motherpollinators!
This does seem like a bug, not really abusing #bushkemping.
Interesting; hopefully it’s one in a million instead of some bigger WG fail.
Mods? Like some problem with loading models of tanks (remember the issue with invisible arty)? Because it seems there are at least three tanks around him (KV, Pz IV and T67) and he can’t see any of them. But it’s weird that nobody can see them either (T-25, Luchs) and they don’t appear on the map.
The only other thing I can think of is huge lag or something like “tanks inside of hill” – broken map model.
i believe its lag with bug :D….. he doesnt see them because of mod bug and he thinks he is behind the hill while on server side he might have been shot at way earlier…… but we might never know
Yep, my guess too, “tanks inside of hill” seeing and shooting out, but non can see in.
4th shot is rely wierd.
But I still think he would spot some of them in such case via proximity spot.
Yap, you can spot those tanks, that bug-drive into houses/rocks/hills, so this is not that case.
There was a bug some time ago with T34, that if you put a 50% crew in it with some specific amount of camo skill on the crew members, then T34 tank would become unspottable. But that again worked only with usuall spotting. 50m proximity spotting got it lit up. So, this is not a bug like that either.
I think it’s a bug from server, that for some players some info was simply not sent, as you can probably see the same shit in the replay file without any mods..
download replay and play it without mods. case closed.
Already tried it? Are the enemies there? I am currently at work, so sadly FTR is all I can manage :)
lol. just lol. good job WankGaming, getting shot from behind literal cover, and not spotting anybody/thing like srysly wg? srysly?
This is hardware failure at its finest… Used to have the exact same thing when my pc was overheating. Tanks that were 3 feet away where shooting at me and i couldnt see them and eventually my game would crash.
This has nothing to do with the spotting system.
But..But..It’s WG’s fault…They are bad devs…We must whine about it…
Out of curiosity, which part was overheating? Processor, so the info didn’t get further?
Yes it was the cpu. Had to change the fan (or whatever its called) and it worked fine.
Seeing how the guy is playing with all setting on low/minimum but with that hp mod that is very very demanding i think overheating is safe bet.
This video is fishy…
in the beginning, the t67 disappears from the t-25 proxymityspot range instantly. Bushes wont help there. later, the t67 isnt spotted by proxy anywhere. The Cromwell gets hit wherever he is.
Conclusion: T67 flew through the air to the top of that hill, landed, and started shooting from there. Or aliens.
My bet is on the aliens.
http://www.troll.me/images/ancient-aliens-guy/im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens.jpg
I think its just a wierd bug, beacus I recenlty had the same “bug”, I couldnt see ANY enemy.
And suddenly I got rammed, I belive. Couldnt see the guy ramming me, but ye, randomly I got bumped to the side. Reinstalled the game and then it worked fine. So possible a failiure togheter with some mods perhaps
yes, i have also experienced this, was not able to spot Lowe in open field from 150m.Despite having vents, binos, ventilation extra ration on my wz 131, not mentioning 4 perk crew with brother in arms :D and both vision perks. Didn’t know that Lowe was buffend after the HD transformation :D
I have the feeling that he is inside the mountain actually.
About spotting mechanism It totally sucks.
Examples:
I was spotting over a hill and didnt spot after numerous pokes ( 1- 2 secs apart. Behind that hill was a big open field. Suddenly a whiled Jagdtiger appears 2 meters infront of me.. What?
Ruinberg happened 2 times in the middle street that a T28 and later a T32 just dissapears on the middle of the road while he shoots me. like what the hell…? Apeared that he was 3 – 4 meters infront of me
2 or 3-4 meters is impossible and might be another bug. The 50m proximity spot is one of the safest mechanisms in the game, since it’s so easy to calculate (proximity of 2 tanks), doesn’t take any extra parameters (buildings, bushes, camo, nothing) and at that distance recalculates every 0.1s.
I’ve had that happen before while driving fast tanks…actually died ramming into a heavy once in my Crusader because I was having bad ping lag, came around a corner while on low health (Sacred Valley right after it returned), and blew up…about 10 seconds later, the VK36.01H that I hit appeared next to my corpse, with its turret swinging around to try & see what the hell just happened to it. The next game, Ruinburg on Fire, almost the same thing except I got shot first by a tank 2m in front of me, then rammed and died…and had the tank appear 10s later from ping lag. Its not bushes working as intended, its shitty servers not working as intended :p
Look like a lag. I had situation like this where I looked around corner, nothing so I went out and sudennly Maus started shooting me from 100 metres and I couldnt see him until I died. But my platoon mate could see him all the time and was wondering about what in the hell I am doing.
The spotting or rather rendering does break with old mods on a new client version. Happened to me at least twice. First everyone is invisible, after getting shot I saw only the OTM’s …
Perhaps the spotting system just wasn’t working?..
Right after the patch I had a KV-1 shooting my IS6 (Binocs were on IS6 too)… But the KV1 was on top of a hill (no bush) and firing down on me… he was about 150m away from me, I shot him blind and he moved… So sometimes the spotting system does get it wrong. I also died one day hitting a E25 that was parked in a bush (spotted him on my ramming death!)…
Looking at the video it did appear that the likely cause was some sort of sync issue, but I rekon it was a sync issue server side. Lets not forget all the RNG video’s we enjoy with tanks sometimes flying into orbit for no valid reason, so the server does do odd stuff from time to time.
As for processor overheating, that wouldn’t cause this but did give me a good chuckle.
It could be mods, but if it is mods then a replay running on a client with no mods should show all tanks right?
OH MY F GOD WTF I JUST SEEN!?
xD
Cant be only his problem that he doesnt can spot anything. Just look at the minimap, there are no tanks displayed either, despite the fact that other tanks from his team drove there aswell.
Lag, bad PC, bad mods, or a combination of above factors. Happened to me once before
Okay so you got a laggy crap pc with a bunch of mods ? good to know.
ps… just a hint: its not the first time wg fucks something up like this.
if your pc is crap – game runs on 20fps…
if your pc lags… tanks appear a bit later (fine)
mods – the client would crash or tanks would stay invisible
but the FACT they appear “like intended” but under much worse circumstances – on any rig… in EU and RU… come on…
its not a users fault! u cant be serious :<
OH and PSPS…. the SAME PC WITH SAME INTERNET and (mostly) same mods (which never had any issue like that)…. are all suddenly broken – AFTER a big patch? Convenient ?
How naive.
I believe there is some rare bug, it happens to me once that half of ally and enemy tanks disappered from the minimap and street on himmelsdorf once.
On the other hand I had game on ruinberg when I shot distracted T69 with Type62 on Ruinberg near south base where are bushes and houses, I’m nearly sure it was from 120m, not a bush between us and in the mean time sixth sense told me I’m spotted. I was sure I’m spotted all the time. I’m starting to believe that there are fake bushes providing no camo as well as visually removed bushes that still apply to spotting system. Anyway, i have no idea how to reliably tell whether tank is concealed by a bush or not.
i think its a bug… after the patch was released i played some platoon games with a friend, both vanilla wot since neiter of us had the motivation/time to update the mods :D. We played on mines and he couldnt see a single enemy tank neither on the map nor the battlefield while my minimap was as red as possible and i also saw every single spotted tank properly. He obviously got annihilated while i blamed him, not knowing his issue at that time, why he died in such a manner till he told me he couldnt see any tank :D
Friend of mine, which is still active playing, just confirmed… and i quote:
13:44 – xxxxx: hatte ich auch schon auf dem EU Server
13:44 – xxxxx: Pershing steht vor mir gibt mir 3 hits und geht erst nach dem 3ten auf#
“i had that on EU server too”
“pershing stands right in front of me and hits 3 me times, before he becomes visible”
l o l
ps. except xvm he doesn’t use anything.
and to be straigth: if it was a mod or skin problem… the tanks would not appear after a while or so… its a server sided issue for sure.
so much about wg “tanks wont disappear in the middle of the road” thing.
ye they wont: since they don’t appear in the first place :p
Yesterday amx 50 100 defense on “sand river” sixth sense activated just after the countdown finished ( not a second later) the whole team was (WTF!!!!)
I do want to point out that if a mod caused a bug, it gets recorded in the replay and even if you remove the offending mod, the replay gets permanently broken and the bug occurs regardless. It happened to me with Locastans UT Announcer where Locastan kept trying to debug his mod with a bugged replay I had sent him, only to realize the mod was already fixed and working fine but the replay was broken no matter what he did (the so called “immortal tank” bug where a dead tank would still show up as alive on the map and in the player panel). So this replay could be permanently bugged as well.
Looks like the Cromwell has some mods installed as well, Why did he not use them???
probably russains found a glitch and abused it instead of reporting it
Obviously this has nothing to do with bushes, but i guess some are just too stupid/ignorant to realize that.
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This is how most games feel to me since I do not run illegal mods like most other people.
Underneath the map maybe?
Maybe he went under the map ( Happened to me once) or got into the hill. But even then, the 50m proximity spot should have happened. Oh well, WG as usual
Lol, even proximity spotting didn’t work here even on his teammates who drove on the same location earlier. So this looks like an intentional bug so they could say something that they need to fix for 9.7.
Or worse they will remove this map…
proximity spotting… don’t make me laugh … once I attacked a t34 with my amx 50 100 he didn’t shoot back, and just was turning his turret like he was looking for me (my 6th sense didn’t go on) … I was 2 or 3 meters from him, I guess i bumped him at some point … after i killed him he told them on chat that I was a cheater … and that I was invisible
I had 6500+ spoting damage on fairy salient. Other tanks were about 50 meters away from me and they couldn’t spot me!