156 thoughts on “8.9 official vehicle changes”

1. “because it was unhistorical”

   You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means…

   • It’s not big deal for the Pzjg 1, at least … the 47mm was vastly superior to the 50mm. Shoots faster, aims faster, and more accurate while still having plenty of power.

     Last I checked I’m still the top Pzjg driver on one server by a wide margin, so I can say that with authority.

     • It does take the wind out of some people looking for a Panzer III/20.01D/DBW2 buff, since several of their proposals called for the removal of the PaK L/60 in order to buff the KwK version

       • …were those people born that stupid or did they work hard to achieve it?

         • They were hoping it would allow for a “reinterpretation” of the 5cm L/60′s pen like the 75mm L/70 was after it was removed from the Panzer IV

           • Sounds pretty congenital then.

     • Top in server on pzjg LOL

   • Blah blah blah.

     WoT Players, you can never please the little shits.

     If you make something ahistorical, they whine.

     if you make something historical, they whine.

     It’s no wonder SerB gives them the finger regularly.

     • It’s not that, it is stupid that they buff some tanks calling it ‘historical’, while keeping hell lot of more unhistorical for balancing reasons, like e.g. why Lee can use the hull 75 mm gun, while B1 must use the puny 47 mm turret one?

2. So all in all most tanks got buffed. Nice :)

3. I really appreciate the explanations

   • agreed

     • Agreed.

       +1 to WG (it’s rare I know)

       • WG did the sensible thing ? Impossibru. My theory is that a magical time-travelling fairy sparked the mind of the developers during a meeting with Clever Dust. And then SerB ate her.

         • Sexy.

4. Why u delete my download links, mr Retard?

5. NOT FAIR!!!!!!!!!
   Lorraine gets buff.
   That french idiot donkey raper autoloader fat stupid paper tank doesnt deserve a buff.

   • SS ban these tank fuckers too please. It’s as retarded as the “First!” morons and Donkey wannabes.

     • 113 I’m so glad the Lorr40t got a buff you have no idea :)
       If you ever tried playing that “OP autoloader” you’d see it’s utter shit, and needed a huge buff. I hope this will be enough.

   • There was an article in this blog showing that the 15°/-8° value was historical: http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/08/05/lorraine-40t-depression-not-historical/
     Good to see that WG sometimes care about historical values buff for non-russian tanks :-)

     • You’re welcome.

       • Brag more. You should google “modesty”.

         • And you define being an ungrateful fucktard, sir. Enjoy your popularity.

           • Not really. Daigensui was, in fact, bragging (whether or not he’s telling the truth is not relevant in this aspect), so any negative comments regarding his is 100% expected.

             Now, if he would’ve said “Yeah, it was tough fighting it out with them, but in the end they accepted all the proof and arguments I’ve sent their way.”, or something similar, it would’ve appeared more friendly and less “HA! Thank _me_, you poor looser!”-y.

             It’s all about phrasing.

           • Dai’s a girl, for future reference. But yeah, she’s a bit abrasive at times.

           • You know what they say: there are no girls on the internet :)

       • Please shut the fuck up with your arrogant attitude.

         • Ooh, the brave forumtroll strikes again. We care. We really do. You hurt us! :p

           • Daigensui is a vainly self-conceited piece of shit who believes she has involvement in every single change made in the game, and that it was HER who got it changed, when in fact numerous threads and posts were made about the Lorraine 40t’s historical gun depression. Not sure where her arrogance came from, but it’s really made me and many others dislike her. This is definitely visible over on the NA forums where I see post after post of hers downvoted into oblivion, because she has no concept of balance or game mechanics; despite her thinking otherwise.

             I understand that she works with the Japanese tanks, as much as I dislike that. But really? If she had anything to do with the Lorraine’s gun depression change, it was only minor, or evidence stolen from someone else that was shown to WG.

           • Mr W00t you wont get pussy from daigensui even if you protect her so please stop trying.

           • And she stealed my account.

6. BT-7, Pz.Kpfw. I, Hotchkiss H35, D1, Cruiser Mk. I, Vickers Mk. E Type B, Jagdpanzer IV, Renault FT AC, Universal Carrier 2-pdr, Lorraine 40 t, Vickers Medium Mk. II, B1, Churchill VII, VK 30.01 (P) were all rebalanced, because these vehicles were not as good as the other vehicles of the same class and tier, that’s why it was decided to buff some of their characteristics.two years to get past some of those turds and NOW they get buffed

   • Because getting past the lowtiers takes SO long anyway right?

     • Some ppl like playing only the low tiers……..

       • Pay attention.

   • Unfortionatly, the buffs for the VK30.01(P) are only for the players who will now research her. Honestly, a heath buff would of been the better option, but a buff is still a buff…

     • …depression buff?

       • VK30.01P was a good tank, now it’s an awesome tank. The front of the turret was virtually impregnable for most tier 6 tanks, now it will be even better as it will be able to use the new depression to aim over ridges instead of poking out behind corners.

7. “Added the 88mm KwK 36 L/56 gun (historically, the first turret could house this gun), depression and elevation were made historical. All in all it’s a buff.”

   Didn’t the VK 30.01 P already have this gun?

   • not in the first turret

   • Well, the RU text is a bit unclear. What is meant is: stock turret can now use this gun.

   • But not on the first turret. I guess thats what they want ot say: added the gun to the first turret.

   • Thanks for the explanation guys.

   • It was only available on the second turret.It will now be usable on the stock one too.

8. Jagdpanzer IV buffs… feed me more please~
   First the Tiger now another one of my all time favourites, thanks WG.

   I shall share the love with my 88s.

   • And it took them 3 years to do it.

     • *shrug* 3 years of awesomeness only to make
       two of my most favourite tanks of their tier even better?

       I’ll take that delay, I guess they were afraid I could get bad of having fun in the Jagdpanzer IV,
       so they decided that I need to have even more fun.

       • bad = bored, apparently my brain is not working correctly.

         • wait, one gets bored of having fun ?!?

           on a serious note, the JPzIV IS a nice tank.

9. “AMX 50 120 and AMX 50 Foch engines were changed from engine to diesel”

   I’ve a hunch that should be “from gasoline to diesel”… :p

   • No, they’re constructed of pure Diesel fuel, that, or the French have chained Vin Diesel inside the engine compartment to have him turn the drive-train.

10. “AMX 50 120 and AMX 50 Foch engines were changed from ENGINE TO DIESEL, their fire chance dropped from 20 percent to 15 percent”

    Frank, I guess you meant the engines were changed from Petrol / Gasoline to Diesel?

    • Haha, Kellomies noticed it too and posted only a minute earlier xD

      • Nitpickers United. O7

        • “Viva Nitpickers!!” :D

    • Corrected:

      WG, I guess you meant the engines were changed from Petrol / Gasoline to Diesel?

11. no IS-3 change log ? will the visual / collision (re)model changes be postponed for future patch/update ?

    • PS: also….Panther M10 will use the U.S.A. camo paterns in 8.9 ( if the CT change will make it in final 8.9)

      • I’m hoping there will be more of this once they admit they can provide separate camo patterns for each tank. The two French premiums can finally get their German camo patterns, the Indien Panzer can get Indian colors, and US tanks in Commonwealth service can get proper colors (Locust, Ram II).

        • Ram II is actually a Canadian tank used for training purposes by the Canadian and British armies during WW II, the only Rams that saw service were the Wasp II flamethrower variant, and the Sexton SPG developed using ram chassis which was used very effectively by the British forces.

          • True, but during the time, canada was still a commonwealth of Britain, so it would make seance that it would get UK camo

12. at last lorraine 40T depression buff. I proposed this more than a year ago!!!

13. We, looks like we have to move to the Marder III..uhm..Marder 38t…since this looks confusing, I try to compare
    -old 76.2(r) to new Pak 40/2 (75mm)

    -10mm less penetration (118 -> 108)
    -15 less damage (125 -> 110)
    -slightly better ROF (12 -> 12.5)
    -Faster aim time (2.9s -> 2.5s)
    -Better accuracy (0.43 -> 0.4)
    -Less DPM (1500 -> 1375)

    Other stuff
    -Top engine removed (20hp less horsepower), terrain resistance reduced and traverse increased in return
    -Better agility in stock, but possibly slightly worse in elite configuration (cannot be tested in test server due lack of players)
    -Better radio range (310m -> 550m) [now thats a buff, no longer having to worry about that when sniping!]

    Mixed feelings, mixed feelings…

    • I do fear that everyone will jump to the Marder 38t and they will start nerfing the Marder 38t then, the only bad thing about the Marder 38t is its low penetration, thats its only disadvantage.
      If you know where to aim or when to switch to gold ammo…..nuff said.

      • su85b
        280 dmg rof 13.33 with HE yeah russian bias

14. What???
    Did anyone notice we have a new record at biggest gun depression category???

    D1:
    Depression angle for the gun 25 mm Canon Raccourci mle. 1934 changed from 8 to 18 degrees.
    Depression angle for the gun 47 mm SA34 changed from 10 to 18 degrees

    Or actually is has always been the best tank in that category!:
    Depression angle for the gun 37 mm APX SA18 changed from 20 to 18 degrees

    • I think it changed form 2COMMA0 to 1,8
      not 20 to 18. Since i just tested it with the 37mm

      The D1 is a tier 2 eh? Since 20 and no depression is quite a big difference…

    • D1 is shit on tracks so nobody really cares. :/

    • The M2 Medium still has better gun depression (-20 degrees!).

      • Well it kinda lacks a roof.

15. hmm, it will be harder to play marder with tier V vehicles… no more haloen orders! ;)

    • harder marder

16. why did some tanks got some major turret traverse nerf though?!

    • Because PzI was OP at t2

17. One more question, will we get XP compensation for the removal of the 5 cm PaK 39 L/60 TD gun from the game? I know it’s only 350 XP, but every little thing counts.

    • As far as I am concerned, we do not get an XP refund. Maybe the XP difference is too small for that (its just 350XP!)

      • i got refunded only half xp(25k) for 50k worth engine in e50, so no way to get refund for that tiny gun.

        • You got refunded 51k exp for the 50k exp engine.

          You were given the new engine which cost 26k exp and you were given 25k free exp.

    • Isn’t the gun going to be on the Marder III? As, in that case, you’d just have it unlocked on that tank.

18. THis will ease the pain i’m feeling while i’m leveling b1 :)

19. What about the premium tanks based on regular tanks such as the B2? It doesnt get the modifications ?
    … how terrible…

    • B2 will always be superior to the B1.

      • Im not that sure anymore…

20. Arty changes: http://i.imgur.com/THp5CB6.jpg

    • yeah nothing will change, they will still be boring to play!

21. It took them this long to realize some of these tanks were sub-par? I could have told them the Lorraine was crap the day they nerfed it.

22. (that’s why the German designers decided not to use the 76,2mm gun on Marder III)

    Uh, the Sdkfz 139 is not a Marder III?

    • Hints at alternative hull? *shifty eyes*

23. Good thing they nerfed the V/IV in to the ground, that tank was just dominating!!! Farking morons.

24. Pz V/IV and V/IV Alpha changes

    The -10 gun depress is only for the sides. frontally it’s -4 now, rear is still -1.
    They also don’t list the fairly large ammo rack nerf it gets.

25. And it was not a small mobility nerf for the V/IV, it was gigantic. So now you have a huge, slow tank with no camo, a tiny gun, and no armor.

    • Don’t forgot they increased the MM weight for it as well.

      it’s now considered a Tier 6 heavy as far as the MM line up is concerned.

    • same as afkpanther, but V/IV dont have to scout or fight X tiers…

26. Failpanther is a much better tank. They fact I just said that makes me want to puke, but it is true.

27. Damn, can’t use 100 octane gasoline on AMX 50 120 and AMX 50b anymore….

    • 50B doesn’t use the saurer engine. It uses the Maybach HL 295 F, which was never changed.

    • Crap, will have to change 105oct gas for food consumable.

      • Or if WG is kind they will add Soya Bio-Diesel consumable for the French like they did with the Japanese.

28. Churchill VII gets a much needed gun depression buff :o
    I’m already done with that tank forever though, so I guess it doesn’t really matter to me, personally.

29. Jagdpanzer IV changes – DAMN YOU RUSSIAN BIAS! XD

    Churchill VII
    Depression angle for the gun 75 mm Gun Mk. V changed from 4 to 12,5 degrees.
    Depression angle for the gun QF 6-pdr Gun Mk. V changed from 6 to 12,5 degrees.

    Wow, now THAT’S some gun depression buff!

    Nice they buffed the Lorraine, it’s gonna be even more awesome :)

    • Was going to post this, thanks for not being the only person with eyes and a brain!

      The Church VII with the 75mm and gun depression almost as good as a bloody Dicker Max sounds like the scariest damn thing ever. Not to mention the rest of the soft stat buffs and hitpoint buff. I think this finally has a good niche to fit against all the other extremely strong tier 7 Heavy competition!

      • 75 mm Gun Mk. V is the one with 91 mm pen and 0.41 accuracy…

      • Don´t want to spoil your happy feelings but did you realize that only the crappiest guns are being buffed? Neither the 75mm HV, nor the 77mm MK. II recieve this buff.

        That makes it just a bit easier to grind – sadly.

        No depression and elevation on the top gun and this bloody track weakspot are what kills this tank for me.

        • Nobody sane would use these guns even for grind when you can mount the 75 mm Vickers HV from the start. Unless you get the 6pdr Mk. V and spam APCR, of course.

30. This again show how big idiots Wargaming developers are. The removed a goddamn 50mm gun because it was unhistorical, though now the come with a freakin Waffentrager E100…….

    • Well said. Fucking fucktards.

      • ^^^^

        Same as above, however all that matters to them is MONEY if something is broken they’ll only fix it if its Russian (IS-3 which wasn’t even broken).

        Add a new TD line that people with spend gold and therefore money on.

        They couldn’t give a shit about anything else.

    • Please uninstall game and optionally but preferably kill yourselves you buncha witless whiners.
      Thank you.

    • There is a difference between making an existing vehicle that that didn’t mount a certain gun historical and making a proposed tank design ! AS HISTORICAL AS POSSIBLE !

      Im sure you’d rather see WT like tech-trees where US line stops at the M4 Sherman and Tiger II’s slug it out with IS series tanks in the field, just rolling over everything else. Sounds like plenty of fun to me .. NOT.

    • Well you fucking morons should just emigrate to Warthunder then and play Panther versus FUCKING T-54!

31. Churchill 7 hp buffed from 880 to 960? oh bwoy

    • yeah the VK is at the bottom of tier 6 heavies now!

      • …what?
        KV1S has 810 HP.
        ARL has 820 HP.
        M6 has 870 HP.
        T-150 has 880 HP.
        VK36 has 950 HP.
        churchill will have 960 HP.

        Please tell me in what way the VK3601 is at the bottom of the tier 6 heavies in health pool.

        • I think peering through the bottom of an empty bottle of hard liquor is required.

32. Foch is too OP, said the devs.

    Then they go and buff it. phhhh.

    • What, where?

33. Vickers Medium Mk.II is buffed, but in the Liиx competition it was far the best in tier 2.
    Best players with that?

34. Saying that something is changed because it wasn’t historical isn’t an explanation it’s an excuse it they dont change loads of stuff that isn’t historic they use historicity only when it pleases them. It’s not a valid reason to ch age something like balance purposes .
    Also can you please ask why was 36.01 changed the way it was and not historicity bs please.
    Thanks

    • Ever hear of “Balance” ?

      • No no i havent, they have in fact failed to point out what was wrong with it , kv1s for example is untouched but 36.01 nerf took everyone completely by surprise just because it was a fun tank not an op one.

        • New!36 plays just fine, and 1S is finally scheduled for an audition.
          Shut up.

    • The VK3601 is fine, you just need to learn how to play

      • And you need to stfu I can play just fine , I don’t care as much that it was nerfed as to WHY.

        • For pretty much all practical intents and purposes it wasn’t even nerfed, dumbass. Oh and “I can play just fine” sounds terribly unconvincing coming from an Anonymous whinebitch who doesn’t even use his ingame nick so we could check.

35. No fixes for HESH then, which is still broken, or for the FV4202 turret, or the drive sprocket modeled in the damage model for the Centurion or for the rest of the crap still broken in the Brit lines.

    Oh but they buffed the IS-3 because that was what it needed.

    • 1. Drive sprocket on all tanks count in the damage model.

      2. How is HESH broken, from what I see, it’s the ultimate gamble. It’ll either do insane damage, or nearly none. Hell, on test I rolled 34 damage in the 183. 34 freaking damage.

      3. The IS-3 lost much of it’s turret armor, so if you’re not staring one down, it’s much easier to kill now. And the main reason for the change in turret armor was the discovery of a different document that said they had grossly miscalculated the turret armor.

36. Hey, where’s my 0.3 degree depression buff on SU-101. I need that!

37. this game is super arcade and they still keep using that word… historical.. nothing about this game is historical except the models

    • You are using the word historical in the wrong context. When devs say historical they mean they want to get it as close to real as possible in terms of vehicle realism, not gameplay realism. In the end game balance is the ultimate goal, no matter how historical you go. A historical game would be unplayable, so don’t whine when devs do something for the sake of game balance you guys are always crying so much about ..

38. Those “buffs” will do nothing for the churchill VII.

    • You, obviously have never known the beast that is a well played Churchill VII.

      • I always though of at as an ok tank.. now with depression and hp buff it can be a good tank.. like a BP in tier 6!

        • You do realize it’s the guns with under 90 penetration that get’s the depression buff right? Not the top gun 77mm

39. What about all the other mid-tier non-russian artys?

40. SOURCE?

41. well im gonna make some profit from the prem shells on the 76mm :P

42. -G.W. Tiger (P) : Aim circle spread for the gun 21 cm Mörser 18/1 changed from 0,9 m to 0,88 m.

    This is a nice info for my new arty that I bought yesterday….

    • Scumbag.

      • Haters gonna hate.

    • An arty buff?….hell hath frozen over, judgement day is upon us!!! Lol its nice to see arty getting some love, I just wish I had any of the ones being buffed…how is tiger p? I have been considering buying it for a t8 to play in platoons

43. Historical accuracy and WoT just do not compute.

    Why are T1 HT and M6 still having “unhistorical engines”? Not to mention that both tanks never left “testing range” and never ever saw action.

    • You fail history. Please at least check Wikipedia before aplying Foot into Mouth next time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M6_heavy_tank
      Might also wanna check the engine’s page.

      • Well, wikipedia isn’t always right!

        • I daresay it has rather higher chances of being correct than some random whiner talking out of his ass.

        • You do know american vehicle designations, do you ? T stands for Test, M stands for Massproduced. So in the end the M6 wouldn’t really have the M designation if it never left testing phase .. You don’t even have to look that up, it just needs 3 seconds brain activity

          • The M just signalized it was a ready product, M6 was a ready tank for mass production but the Pentagon hierarchy didn’t want it for some odd reasons.

            • M-number basically means “officially accepted to service”. The military pretty much took one good look at the thing and decided it wasn’t worth the hassle of shipping overseas, so the smallish bunch that got built stayed Stateside to delight the young and old alike in publicity shows and the like.

              Most definitely “left testing range”, however, which was the point.

44. Really hope more arties than those are being buffed; the Crusader SP is f’king unplayable.

    • the crusader SP is the best tier 6 arty in game!

      precise and fast reload

      • You badly mistaken. The tier VI British spg is the FV304.

        • Those look fun. I’ve seen a good player drive all over the map and bombard camping tanks from unexpected angles. They were probably thinking they’re being shot at by their own arty.

45. Both vehicles had their characteristics significantly improved (the depression buff from -3 to -10 degrees). The gun also fires faster, but aims slower. Nevertheless it should be said that for a mobile vehicle with a gun that is not exactly the best for tier 6, rate of fire is more important than aim time. The engine recieved historical horsepower and became weaker, hitpoints were nerfed too, but the view range increased.

    Aimtime vs RoF on a mobile tank. Don’t you think a tank that stops and go should have better aimtime than RoF?
    Or is it supposed to not stop at all?

46. Those Bastards nerved my beloved UC 2pdr ;_;

    • Huh? Except for gun traverse, all I see is buffs.

      • A slow gun traverse will get you killed quicly enough.. Just ask any Hellcat driver

47. they forgot to buff my churchill GC :(