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8.9 official vehicle changes

In connection with the introduction of the new German TD branch, the Panzerjäger I and Marder II vehicles were rebalanced:

Panzerjäger I

  • Reworked the collision model.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension Panzerjäger I on hard surfaces reduced by 8%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension Panzerjäger I on medium surfaces reduced by 7%.
  • Turnrate of the chassis Panzerjäger I verstärkteketten changed from 34 to 36 deg/s.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension Panzerjäger I verstärkteketten on hard surfaces reduced by 8%.
  • Added the radio station FuG Spr. A.
  • View range Panzerjäger I changed from 320 m to 330 m.
  • Aimtime of the gun 3,7 cm Pak (t) L/47 changed from 1,5 secs to 1,7 secs
  • Amount of ammo carried for the gun 3,7 cm Pak (t) L/47 changed from 96 to 160 units.
  • Elevation of the gun 3,7 cm Pak (t) L/47 changed from 12 to 10 degrees.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 3,7 cm Pak (t) L/47 after shooting increased by 17%.
  • Aimtime of the gun 4,7 cm Pak (t) L/43 changed from 2 secs to 1,7 secs
  • Amount of ammo carried for the gun 4,7 cm Pak (t) L/43 changed from 86 to 84 units.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 4,7 cm Pak (t) L/43 after shooting increased by 17%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 4,7 cm Pak (t) L/43 when moving the gun reduced by 33%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 4,7 cm Pak (t) L/43 changed from 0,37 m to 0,35 m.
  • Removed the gun 5 cm PaK 39 L/60.
  • Traverse rate for the gun Panzerjäger I changed from 44 to 26 deg/s.

50mm PaK 39 was removed, because it was unhistorical. It was replaced by the gun 4,7 cm Pak (t) L/43. We tried to rebalance the vehícle so that its combat capability remained the same.

Marder II

  • Reworked the collision model.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension Marder II on hard surfaces reduced by 8%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension Marder II on medium surfaces reduced by 12%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension Marder II on soft surfaces reduced by 22%.
  • Turnrate of the chassis Marder II verstärkteketten changed from 36 to 38 deg/s.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension Marder II verstärkteketten on hard surfaces reduced by 8%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension Marder II verstärkteketten on medium surfaces reduced by 7%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension Marder II verstärkteketten on soft surfaces reduced by 23%.
  • Removed the engine Maybach HL 62 TRM.
  • Added the radio station FuG 8.
  • View range Marder II changed from 360 m to 350 m.
  • Aimtime of the gun 7,5 cm Pak 40/2 L/46 changed from 2,7 secs to 2,5 secs
  • Price of the gun 7,5 cm Pak 40/2 L/46 changed from 28 900 to 30 750 credits.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 7,5 cm Pak 40/2 L/46 when moving the gun reduced by 10%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 7,5 cm Pak 40/2 L/46 changed from 0,42 m to 0,4 m.
  • Penetration of the shell Pzgr 40 for the gun 7,5 cm Pak 40/2 L/46 changed from 126 mm to 154 mm.
  • Penetration of the shell Pzgr 39 for the gun 7,5 cm Pak 40/2 L/46 changed from 98 mm to 108 mm.
  • Aimtime of the gun 7,62 cm Pak 36 (r) changed from 2,9 secs to 2,7 secs
  • Price of the gun 7,62 cm Pak 36 (r) changed from 30 750 to 28 900 credits.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 7,62 cm Pak 36 (r) changed from 0,43 m to 0,44 m.
  • Damage of the shell Pzgr 40 (r) for the gun 7,62 cm Pak 36 (r), changed from 125 to 115 units.
  • Penetration of the shell Pzgr 40 (r) for the gun 7,62 cm Pak 36 (r) changed from 158 mm to 166 mm.
  • Damage of the shell Pzgr 39 (r) for the gun 7,62 cm Pak 36 (r), changed from 125 to 115 units.
  • Penetration of the shell Pzgr 39 (r) for the gun 7,62 cm Pak 36 (r) changed from 118 mm to 96 mm.
  • Damage of the shell Sprgr 18 (r) for the gun 7,62 cm Pak 36 (r), changed from 185 to 165 units.
  • Penetration of the shell Sprgr 18 (r) for the gun 7,62 cm Pak 36 (r) changed from 39 mm to 38 mm.
  • Removed the gun 5 cm PaK 39 L/60.
  • Traverse rate for the gun Marder II changed from 44 to 26 deg/s

Unhistorical HL 62 TRM engine was removed. Amongst other things, the too high horsepower difference between the stock and the elite engine caused very bad turnrate of the vehicle with the stock engine. The stock version of Marder II was buffed, which is important for tier 3 vehicles. It will be now easier to play for new players and the experience players can show off their skill on higher tier tech. The 50mm gun was deemed not to be appropriate and was removed, but at the same time attention was paid to other guns. In real life, the 76,2mm gun was worse in terms of penetration than the 75mm one (that’s why the German designers decided not to use the 76,2mm gun on Marder III). In patch 8.9, the difference between gun penetrations was made historical: at this moment the 75mm gun penetration is better than the 76,2mm one.

BT-7, Pz.Kpfw. I, Hotchkiss H35, D1, Cruiser Mk. I, Vickers Mk. E Type B, Jagdpanzer IV, Renault FT AC, Universal Carrier 2-pdr, Lorraine 40 t, Vickers Medium Mk. II, B1, Churchill VII, VK 30.01 (P) were all rebalanced, because these vehicles were not as good as the other vehicles of the same class and tier, that’s why it was decided to buff some of their characteristics.

Vickers Mk. E Type B

  • Turnrate of the chassis Vickers Mk. E Type B changed from 50 to 44 deg/s.
  • Turnrate of the chassis T-26-2 changed from 52 to 48 deg/s.
  • Aimtime of the gun 37 mm KwK 36 L/46.5 changed from 2 secs to 1,9 secs
  • Reload time for the gun 37 mm KwK 36 L/46.5 changed from 2,3 secs to 2,1 secs
  • Aimtime of the gun 47 mm Vickers QF changed from 2,9 secs to 2,3 secs
  • Reload time for the gun 47 mm Vickers QF changed from 3,6 secs to 3,3 secs
  • Turret turnrate for turret Vickers Mk. E Type B changed from 44 to 24 deg/s.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 37 mm KwK 36 L/46.5 when moving the turret reduced by 14%.
  • Aimtime of the gun 40 mm Pom-Pom changed from 2,3 secs to 1,9 secs
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 40 mm Pom-Pom after shooting reduced by 14%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 40 mm Pom-Pom when moving the turret reduced by 40%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 40 mm Pom-Pom changed from 0,48 m to 0,45 m.
  • Aimtime of the gun 45 mm 20K changed from 2,3 secs to 2,1 secs
  • Aimtime of the gun 47 mm Vickers QF changed from 2,3 secs to 2,1 secs
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 47 mm Vickers QF when moving the turret reduced by 14%.
  • Turret turnrate for turret Т-26 model 1936 changed from 46 to 24 deg/s.
  • Hitpoints with turret Vickers Mk. E Type B changed from 150 to 155 units.

B1

  • Aim circle spread for the gun from moving the hull B1 reduced by 14%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun from turning the hull on suspension B1 reduced by 14%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension B1 on medium surfaces reduced by 7%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension B1 on soft surfaces increased by 9%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun from moving the hull B1 bis reduced by 15%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun from turning the hull on suspension B1 bis reduced by 15%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension B1 bis on soft surfaces increased by 10%.
  • Maximum speed changed from 28 km/h to 30 km/h.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 47 mm SA34 after shooting reduced by 14%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 47 mm SA35 after shooting reduced by 14%.
  • Turret turnrate for turret B1 APX 1 changed from 46 to 30 deg/s.
  • Reload time for the gun 47 mm SA34 changed from 2,2 secs to 2,1 secs
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 47 mm SA34 after shooting reduced by 14%.
  • Reload time for the gun 47 mm SA35 changed from 2,2 secs to 2,1 secs
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 47 mm SA35 after shooting reduced by 14%.
  • Aimtime of the gun 47 mm SA37 changed from 1,7 secs to 1,5 secs
  • Elevation of the gun 47 mm SA37 changed from 10 to 18 degrees.
  • Depression angle for the gun 47 mm SA37 changed from 10 to 13 degrees.
  • Reload time for the gun 47 mm SA37 changed from 2,3 secs to 2,1 secs
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 47 mm SA37 after shooting reduced by 14%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 47 mm SA37 when moving the turret reduced by 20%.
  • Turret turnrate for turret B1 APX 4 changed from 44 to 30 deg/s.

D1

  • Terrain resistance of suspension D1 on hard surfaces reduced by 8%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension D1 on medium surfaces reduced by 7%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension D1 on soft surfaces reduced by 4%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension D1 bis on hard surfaces reduced by 8%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension D1 bis on medium surfaces reduced by 7%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension D1 bis on soft surfaces reduced by 4%.
  • Aimtime of the gun 13.2 mm Hotchkiss mle. 1930 changed from 2 secs to 1,7 secs
  • Reload time for the gun 13.2 mm Hotchkiss mle. 1930 changed from 5,8 secs to 5 secs
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 13.2 mm Hotchkiss mle. 1930 changed from 0,58 m to 0,54 m.
  • Reload time for the gun 25 mm Canon Raccourci mle. 1934 changed from 2,1 secs to 17 secs
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 25 mm Canon Raccourci mle. 1934 changed from 0,45 m to 0,43 m.
  • Turret turnrate for turret D1 Berliet changed from 36 to 24 deg/s.
  • Aimtime of the gun 13.2 mm Hotchkiss mle. 1930 changed from 2 secs to 1,5 secs
  • Depression angle for the gun 13.2 mm Hotchkiss mle. 1930 changed from 10 to 18 degrees.
  • Reload time for the gun 13.2 mm Hotchkiss mle. 1930 changed from 10,3 secs to 10 secs
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 13.2 mm Hotchkiss mle. 1930 changed from 0,58 m to 0,54 m.
  • Aimtime of the gun 25 mm Canon Raccourci mle. 1934 changed from 1,5 secs to 1,3 secs
  • Elevation of the gun 25 mm Canon Raccourci mle. 1934 changed from 25 to 20 degrees.
  • Depression angle for the gun 25 mm Canon Raccourci mle. 1934 changed from 8 to 18 degrees.
  • Reload time for the gun 25 mm Canon Raccourci mle. 1934 changed from 1,8 secs to 1,5 secs
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 25 mm Canon Raccourci mle. 1934 changed from 0,45 m to 0,43 m.
  • Aimtime of the gun 37 mm APX SA18 changed from 2 secs to 1,7 secs
  • Elevation of the gun 37 mm APX SA18 changed from 35 to 20 degrees.
  • Depression angle for the gun 37 mm APX SA18 changed from 20 to 18 degrees.
  • Aimtime of the gun 47 mm SA34 changed from 2 secs to 1,7 secs
  • Depression angle for the gun 47 mm SA34 changed from 10 to 18 degrees.
  • Turret turnrate for turret Schneider Tourelle 2 changed from 30 to 24 deg/s.

Hotchkiss H35

  • Aim circle spread for the gun from moving the hull H35 reduced by 20%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun from turning the hull on suspension H35 reduced by 20%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun from moving the hull H39 reduced by 21%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun from turning the hull on suspension H39 reduced by 21%.
  • Reload time for the gun 25 mm Canon Raccourci mle. 1934 changed from 2,1 secs to 1,7 secs
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 25 mm Canon Raccourci mle. 1934 changed from 0,45 m to 0,43 m.
  • Depression angle for the gun 37 mm APX SA18 changed from 13 to 16 degrees.
  • Reload time for the gun 37 mm SA38 changed from 3,1 secs to 2,6 secs
  • Turret turnrate for turret APX R changed from 32 to 24 deg/s.
  • Hitpoints changed from 140 to 160 units.

Lorraine 40t

  • Turnrate of the chassis Lorraine 40 t changed from 30 to 31 deg/s.
  • Turnrate of the chassis Lorraine 40 t bis changed from 32 to 34 deg/s.
  • Elevation of the gun 100 mm SA47 changed from 11 to 15 degrees.
  • Depression angle for the gun 100 mm SA47 changed from 6 to 8 degrees.
  • Elevation of the gun 90 mm F3 changed from 11 to 15 degrees.
  • Depression angle for the gun 90 mm F3 changed from 6 to 8 degrees.
  • Turret turnrate for turret Lorraine 40 t changed from 38 to 42 deg/s.
  • Hitpoints changed from 1550 to 1600 units.

Renault FT AC

  • Turnrate of the chassis Renault FT AC changed from 28 to 27 deg/s.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension Renault FT AC on medium surfaces reduced by 7%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension Renault FT AC on soft surfaces reduced by 7%.
  • View range Renault FT AC changed from 320 m to 330 m.
  • Elevation of the gun 25 mm AC SA-L mle. 1934 changed from 17 to 15 degrees.
  • Depression angle for the gun 25 mm AC SA-L mle. 1934 changed from 6 to 7 degrees.
  • Elevation of the gun 25 mm AC SA-L mle. 1937 changed from 17 to 15 degrees.
  • Depression angle for the gun 25 mm AC SA-L mle. 1937 changed from 6 to 7 degrees.
  • Elevation of the gun 25 mm automatique mle. 1936 changed from 17 to 15 degrees.
  • Depression angle for the gun 25 mm automatique mle. 1936 changed from 6 to 7 degrees.
  • Aimtime of the gun 47 mm SA-L mle. 1937 changed from 2 secs to 1,9 secs
  • Elevation of the gun 47 mm SA-L mle. 1937 changed from 12 to 15 degrees.
  • Depression angle for the gun 47 mm SA-L mle. 1937 changed from 6 to 15 degrees.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 47 mm SA-L mle. 1937 when moving the gun reduced by 25%.
  • Traverse rate for the gun Renault FT AC changed from 44 to 24 deg/s.

Jagdpanzer IV

  • Terrain resistance of suspension Jagdpanzer IV 0-Serie on hard surfaces increased by 9%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension Jagdpanzer IV 0-Serie on medium surfaces reduced by 12%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension Jagdpanzer IV 0-Serie on soft surfaces reduced by 14%.
  • Maximum reverse speed changed from 10 km/h to 12 km/h.
  • Maximum speed changed from 38 km/h to 40 km/h.
  • View range Jagdpanzer IV changed from 330 m to 350 m.
  • Amount of ammo carried for the gun 10,5 cm StuH 42 L/28 changed from 40 to 62 units.
  • Depression angle for the gun 10,5 cm StuH 42 L/28 changed from 5 to 6 degrees.
  • Depression angle for the gun 7,5 cm Pak 39 L/48 changed from 5 to 8 degrees.
  • Reload time for the gun 7,5 cm Pak 39 L/48 changed from 3,5 secs to 3,2 secs
  • Depression angle for the gun 7,5 cm Pak 42 L/70 changed from 5 to 6 degrees.
  • Reload time for the gun 7,5 cm Pak 42 L/70 changed from 3,9 secs to 3,8 secs
  • Depression angle for the gun 8,8 cm Pak L/56 changed from 5 to 6 degrees.
  • Reload time for the gun 8,8 cm Pak L/56 changed from 5,7 secs to 5,4 secs
  • Traverse rate for the gun Jagdpanzer IV changed from 44 to 26 deg/s.

Panzer I

  • Terrain resistance of suspension Pz.Kpfw. I Ausf. A on hard surfaces reduced by 8%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension Pz.Kpfw. I Ausf. A on medium surfaces reduced by 12%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun from moving the hull Pz.Kpfw. I Ausf. B reduced by 3%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun from turning the hull on suspension Pz.Kpfw. I Ausf. B reduced by 3%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension Pz.Kpfw. I Ausf. B on hard surfaces reduced by 9%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension Pz.Kpfw. I Ausf. B on medium surfaces reduced by 7%.
  • Aimtime of the gun 2 cm Breda (i) when using stock turret changed from 1,7 secs to 1,6 secs
  • Reload time for the gun 2 cm Breda (i) when using stock turret changed from 3,7 secs to 3,5 secs
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 2 cm Breda (i) after shooting reduced by 7%.
  • Turret turnrate for turret L.K.A. 2 changed from 40 to 24 deg/s.
  • Aimtime of the gun 2 cm Breda (i) when using elite turret changed from 1,6 secs to 1,5 secs
  • Reload time for the gun 2 cm Breda (i) when using elite turret changed from 3,3 secs to 3,1 secs
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 2 cm Breda (i) after shooting reduced by 8%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 2 cm Breda (i) changed from 0,53 m to 0,51 m.
  • Turret turnrate for turret Pz.Kpfw. I Breda changed from 42 to 24 deg/s.

Cruiser Mk.I

  • Turnrate of the chassis A9 Mk. I changed from 30 to 31 deg/s.
  • Turnrate of the chassis A9 Mk. II changed from 32 to 34 deg/s.
  • Aimtime of the gun QF 2-pdr Mk. IX changed from 2,3 secs to 2,1 secs
  • Reload time for the gun QF 2-pdr Mk. IX changed from 2,5 secs to 2,4 secs
  • Aim circle spread for the gun QF 2-pdr Mk. IX when moving the turret reduced by 17%.
  • Aimtime of the gun 40 mm Pom-Pom changed from 2,3 secs to 2,1 secs
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 40 mm Pom-Pom after shooting reduced by 14%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 40 mm Pom-Pom when moving the turret reduced by 12%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 40 mm Pom-Pom changed from 0,48 m to 0,45 m.
  • Turret turnrate for turret Cruiser Mk. I changed from 44 to 36 deg/s.
  • Reload time for the gun QF 2-pdr Mk. IX changed from 2,5 secs to 2,4 secs
  • Aim circle spread for the gun QF 2-pdr Mk. IX when moving the turret reduced by 20%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 40 mm Pom-Pom changed from 0,48 m to 0,45 m.
  • Turret turnrate for turret Cruiser Mk. III changed from 46 to 36 deg/s.
  • Hitpoints with turret Cruiser Mk. I changed from 150 to 155 units.

Vickers Medium Mk.II

  • Aimtime of the gun OQF 3-pdr Gun Mk. I changed from 2,9 secs to 2,7 secs
  • Aim circle spread for the gun OQF 3-pdr Gun Mk. I when moving the turret reduced by 14%.
  • Aimtime of the gun QF 6-pdr 8 cwt Mk. II changed from 2,3 secs to 2,1 secs
  • Aim circle spread for the gun QF 6-pdr 8 cwt Mk. II when moving the turret reduced by 14%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun OQF 3-pdr Gun Mk. I when moving the turret reduced by 33%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun OQF 3-pdr Gun Mk. II when moving the turret reduced by 33%.
  • Elevation of the gun QF 6-pdr 8 cwt Mk. I changed from 12 to 16 degrees.
  • Depression angle for the gun QF 6-pdr 8 cwt Mk. I changed from 5 to 7 degrees.
  • Reload time for the gun QF 6-pdr 8 cwt Mk. I changed from 3,8 secs to 3,6 secs
  • Aim circle spread for the gun QF 6-pdr 8 cwt Mk. I when moving the turret reduced by 12%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun QF 6-pdr 8 cwt Mk. I changed from 0,48 m to 0,47 m.
  • Reload time for the gun QF 6-pdr 8 cwt Mk. II changed from 3,8 secs to 3,6 secs
  • Aim circle spread for the gun QF 6-pdr 8 cwt Mk. II when moving the turret reduced by 33%.

Churchill VII

  • Terrain resistance of suspension Churchill IV on medium surfaces reduced by 7%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 75 mm Gun Mk. V when moving the turret reduced by 20%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 75 mm Vickers HV when moving the turret reduced by 20%.
  • Turret turnrate for turret Churchill IV changed from 32 to 30 deg/s.
  • Depression angle for the gun 3.7-inch Howitzer changed from 5 to 3 degrees.
  • Depression angle for the gun 75 mm Gun Mk. V changed from 4 to 12,5 degrees.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 75 mm Gun Mk. V when moving the turret reduced by 20%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 75 mm Vickers HV when moving the turret reduced by 12%.
  • Depression angle for the gun QF 6-pdr Gun Mk. V changed from 6 to 12,5 degrees.
  • Turret turnrate for turret Churchill VII changed from 32 to 30 deg/s.
  • Hitpoints with turret Churchill IV changed from 800 to 860 units.
  • Hitpoints with turret Churchill VII changed from 880 to 960 units.

Universal Carrier 2-pdr

  • Terrain resistance of suspension Universal Carrier Mk. I on hard surfaces reduced by 7%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension Universal Carrier Mk. I on medium surfaces reduced by 12%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension Universal Carrier Mk. I on soft surfaces reduced by 3%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension Universal Carrier Mk. II on hard surfaces reduced by 8%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension Universal Carrier Mk. II on medium surfaces reduced by 7%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension Universal Carrier Mk. II on soft surfaces reduced by 4%.
  • View range Universal Carrier 2-pdr changed from 320 m to 330 m.
  • Reload time for the gun QF 6-pdr 8 cwt AT Gun Mk. I changed from 3,2 secs to 3,1 secs
  • Aim circle spread for the gun QF 6-pdr 8 cwt AT Gun Mk. I changed from 0,46 m to 0,45 m.
  • Reload time for the gun QF 6-pdr 8 cwt AT Gun Mk. II changed from 3,2 secs to 3,1 secs
  • Traverse rate for the gun Universal Carrier 2-pdr changed from 44 to 26 deg/s.

BT-7

  • Turnrate of the chassis BT-5 changed from 48 to 50 deg/s.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension BT-5 on hard surfaces reduced by 10%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension BT-5 on medium surfaces reduced by 8%.
  • Turnrate of the chassis BT-7 changed from 50 to 54 deg/s.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension BT-7 on hard surfaces reduced by 11%.
  • Maximum speed changed from 66 km/h to 65,4 km/h.
  • View range of the turret BT-7 obr. 1935 г. changed from 260 m to 280 m.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 45 mm 20K when moving the turret reduced by 17%.
  • Turret turnrate for turret BT-7 obr. 1935 г. changed from 44 to 36 deg/s.
  • View range of the turret BT-7 obr. 1937 г. changed from 280 m to 300 m.
  • Aimtime of the gun 23 mm BJA changed from 1,6 secs to 1,5 secs
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 23 mm BJA after shooting reduced by 7%.
  • Aimtime of the gun 37 mm ZiS-19 changed from 1,9 secs to 1,7 secs
  • Aimtime of the gun 45 mm 20K changed from 1,9 secs to 1,7 secs
  • Reload time for the gun 45 mm 20K changed from 2,3 secs to 2,1 secs
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 45 mm 20K when moving the turret reduced by 20%.
  • Turret turnrate for turret BT-7 obr. 1937 г. changed from 46 to 36 deg/s.
  • Hitpoints with turret BT-7 obr. 1935 г. changed from 200 to 210 units.
  • Hitpoints with turret BT-7 obr. 1937 г. changed from 220 to 230 units.

VK3001P

  • Elevation of the gun 7,5 cm Kw.K. 40 L/48 changed from 18 to 20 degrees.
  • Depression angle for the gun 7,5 cm Kw.K. 40 L/48 changed from 6 to 10 degrees.
  • Elevation of the gun 10,5 cm Kw.K. L/28 changed from 18 to 15 degrees.
  • Depression angle for the gun 10,5 cm Kw.K. L/28 changed from 6 to 8 degrees.
  • Elevation of the gun 7,5 cm Kw.K. 40 L/48 changed from 18 to 15 degrees.
  • Depression angle for the gun 7,5 cm Kw.K. 40 L/48 changed from 6 to 8 degrees.
  • Elevation of the gun 7,5 cm Kw.K. 42 L/70 changed from 18 to 15 degrees.
  • Depression angle for the gun 7,5 cm Kw.K. 42 L/70 changed from 6 to 8 degrees.
  • Elevation of the gun 8,8 cm Kw.K. 36 L/56 changed from 18 to 15 degrees.
  • Depression angle for the gun 8,8 cm Kw.K. 36 L/56 changed from 6 to 8 degrees.

Added the 88mm KwK 36 L/56 gun (historically, the first turret could house this gun), depression and elevation were made historical. All in all it’s a buff.

AMX 50 120 and AMX 50 Foch engines were changed from engine to diesel, their fire chance dropped from 20 percent to 15 percent

Pz.Kpfw. V/IV and Pz.Kpfw. V/IV Alpha

  • Visual and armor model were changed to historical, vehicle was rebalanced
  • Turnrate of the chassis Pz.Kpfw. V/IV changed from 29 to 38 deg/s.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension Pz.Kpfw. V/IV on hard surfaces reduced by 13%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension Pz.Kpfw. V/IV on medium surfaces reduced by 4%.
  • Terrain resistance of suspension Pz.Kpfw. V/IV on soft surfaces increased by 7%.
  • Horsepower of the engine Maybach HL 230 P30 changed from 870 hp to 700 hp
  • View range of the turret Pz.Kpfw. V/IV changed from 320 m to 350 m.
  • Aimtime of the gun 7,5 cm Kw.K. 40 L/48 changed from 1,71 secs to 2,3 secs
  • Amount of ammo carried for the gun 7,5 cm Kw.K. 40 L/48 changed from 92 to 124 units.
  • Elevation of the gun 7,5 cm Kw.K. 40 L/48 changed from 17 to 20 degrees.
  • Depression angle for the gun 7,5 cm Kw.K. 40 L/48 changed from 3 to 10 degrees.
  • Reload time for the gun 7,5 cm Kw.K. 40 L/48 changed from 4,28 secs to 3,8 secs
  • Turret turnrate for turret Pz.Kpfw. V/IV changed from 53 to 30 deg/s.
  • Hitpoints changed from 870 to 820 units.

Both vehicles had their characteristics significantly improved (the depression buff from -3 to -10 degrees). The gun also fires faster, but aims slower. Nevertheless it should be said that for a mobile vehicle with a gun that is not exactly the best for tier 6, rate of fire is more important than aim time. The engine recieved historical horsepower and became weaker, hitpoints were nerfed too, but the view range increased.

Some midtier artillery vehicles were rebalanced (slightly buffed) in connection with the reduction of their popularity.Apart from that, the shell velocit for SU-5, Bison and all tier 2 arties was increased.

AMX 13 105 AM mle. 50

  • Aim circle spread for the gun from moving the hull AMX 13 105 AM mle. 49 reduced by 10%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun from turning the hull on suspension AMX 13 105 AM mle. 49 reduced by 10%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun from moving the hull AMX 13 105 AM mle. 55 reduced by 11%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun from turning the hull on suspension AMX 13 105 AM mle. 55 reduced by 11%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 105 mm obusier mle. 1950 changed from 0,7 m to 0,69 m.


G.W. Tiger

  • Aim circle spread for the gun from moving the hull G.W. Tiger reduced by 5%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun from turning the hull on suspension G.W. Tiger reduced by 5%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun from moving the hull G.W. Tiger verstärkteketten reduced by 6%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun from turning the hull on suspension G.W. Tiger verstärkteketten reduced by 6%.


G.W. Tiger (P)

  • Aim circle spread for the gun 21 cm Mörser 18/1 changed from 0,9 m to 0,88 m.


M40/M43

  • Elevation of the gun 155 mm Gun M1A1 changed from 45 to 55 degrees.
  • Elevation of the gun 8-inch Howitzer M1 changed from 45 to 55 degrees.


M41

  • Aim circle spread for the gun 155 mm Howitzer M1 when moving the gun reduced by 4%.


212А

  • Aim circle spread for the gun from moving the hull 212А reduced by 5%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun from turning the hull on suspension 212А reduced by 5%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun from moving the hull 212А “improved” reduced by 6%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun from turning the hull on suspension 212А “improved” reduced by 6%.

S-51

  • Reload time for the gun 203 mm B-4 changed from 56,8 secs to 55,5 secs

SU-122А

  • Aim circle spread for the gun 152 mm howitzer D-1 when moving the gun reduced by 8%. Aim circle spread for the gun 152 mm howitzer D-1 changed from 0,86 m to 0,85 m.


SU-14-2:

  • Aim circle spread for the gun 203 mm B-4 changed from 0,87 m to 0,86 m.

SU-14-1:

  • Aim circle spread for the gun from moving the hull SU-14 reduced by 10%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun from turning the hull on suspension SU-14 reduced by 10%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun from moving the hull SU-14-1 reduced by 11%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun from turning the hull on suspension SU-14-1 reduced by 11%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun 203 mm B-4 changed from 0,9 m to 0,88 m.

SU-8:

  • Aim circle spread for the gun from moving the hull SU-8 reduced by 5%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun from turning the hull on suspension SU-8 reduced by 5%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun from moving the hull SU-8 Bis reduced by 6%.
  • Aim circle spread for the gun from turning the hull on suspension SU-8 Bis reduced by 6%.

156 thoughts on “8.9 official vehicle changes

  1. “because it was unhistorical”

    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means…

    • It’s not big deal for the Pzjg 1, at least … the 47mm was vastly superior to the 50mm. Shoots faster, aims faster, and more accurate while still having plenty of power.

      Last I checked I’m still the top Pzjg driver on one server by a wide margin, so I can say that with authority.

      • It does take the wind out of some people looking for a Panzer III/20.01D/DBW2 buff, since several of their proposals called for the removal of the PaK L/60 in order to buff the KwK version

    • Blah blah blah.

      WoT Players, you can never please the little shits.

      If you make something ahistorical, they whine.

      if you make something historical, they whine.

      It’s no wonder SerB gives them the finger regularly.

      • It’s not that, it is stupid that they buff some tanks calling it ‘historical’, while keeping hell lot of more unhistorical for balancing reasons, like e.g. why Lee can use the hull 75 mm gun, while B1 must use the puny 47 mm turret one?

  2. NOT FAIR!!!!!!!!!
    Lorraine gets buff.
    That french idiot donkey raper autoloader fat stupid paper tank doesnt deserve a buff.

      • 113 I’m so glad the Lorr40t got a buff you have no idea :)
        If you ever tried playing that “OP autoloader” you’d see it’s utter shit, and needed a huge buff. I hope this will be enough.

            • Not really. Daigensui was, in fact, bragging (whether or not he’s telling the truth is not relevant in this aspect), so any negative comments regarding his is 100% expected.

              Now, if he would’ve said “Yeah, it was tough fighting it out with them, but in the end they accepted all the proof and arguments I’ve sent their way.”, or something similar, it would’ve appeared more friendly and less “HA! Thank _me_, you poor looser!”-y.

              It’s all about phrasing.

            • Daigensui is a vainly self-conceited piece of shit who believes she has involvement in every single change made in the game, and that it was HER who got it changed, when in fact numerous threads and posts were made about the Lorraine 40t’s historical gun depression. Not sure where her arrogance came from, but it’s really made me and many others dislike her. This is definitely visible over on the NA forums where I see post after post of hers downvoted into oblivion, because she has no concept of balance or game mechanics; despite her thinking otherwise.

              I understand that she works with the Japanese tanks, as much as I dislike that. But really? If she had anything to do with the Lorraine’s gun depression change, it was only minor, or evidence stolen from someone else that was shown to WG.

            • Mr W00t you wont get pussy from daigensui even if you protect her so please stop trying.

  3. BT-7, Pz.Kpfw. I, Hotchkiss H35, D1, Cruiser Mk. I, Vickers Mk. E Type B, Jagdpanzer IV, Renault FT AC, Universal Carrier 2-pdr, Lorraine 40 t, Vickers Medium Mk. II, B1, Churchill VII, VK 30.01 (P) were all rebalanced, because these vehicles were not as good as the other vehicles of the same class and tier, that’s why it was decided to buff some of their characteristics.two years to get past some of those turds and NOW they get buffed

    • Unfortionatly, the buffs for the VK30.01(P) are only for the players who will now research her. Honestly, a heath buff would of been the better option, but a buff is still a buff…

        • VK30.01P was a good tank, now it’s an awesome tank. The front of the turret was virtually impregnable for most tier 6 tanks, now it will be even better as it will be able to use the new depression to aim over ridges instead of poking out behind corners.

  4. “Added the 88mm KwK 36 L/56 gun (historically, the first turret could house this gun), depression and elevation were made historical. All in all it’s a buff.”

    Didn’t the VK 30.01 P already have this gun?

  5. Jagdpanzer IV buffs… feed me more please~
    First the Tiger now another one of my all time favourites, thanks WG.

    I shall share the love with my 88s.

      • *shrug* 3 years of awesomeness only to make
        two of my most favourite tanks of their tier even better?

        I’ll take that delay, I guess they were afraid I could get bad of having fun in the Jagdpanzer IV,
        so they decided that I need to have even more fun.

  6. “AMX 50 120 and AMX 50 Foch engines were changed from engine to diesel”

    I’ve a hunch that should be “from gasoline to diesel”… :p

    • No, they’re constructed of pure Diesel fuel, that, or the French have chained Vin Diesel inside the engine compartment to have him turn the drive-train.

  7. “AMX 50 120 and AMX 50 Foch engines were changed from ENGINE TO DIESEL, their fire chance dropped from 20 percent to 15 percent”

    Frank, I guess you meant the engines were changed from Petrol / Gasoline to Diesel?

  8. no IS-3 change log ? will the visual / collision (re)model changes be postponed for future patch/update ?

    • PS: also….Panther M10 will use the U.S.A. camo paterns in 8.9 ( if the CT change will make it in final 8.9)

      • I’m hoping there will be more of this once they admit they can provide separate camo patterns for each tank. The two French premiums can finally get their German camo patterns, the Indien Panzer can get Indian colors, and US tanks in Commonwealth service can get proper colors (Locust, Ram II).

        • Ram II is actually a Canadian tank used for training purposes by the Canadian and British armies during WW II, the only Rams that saw service were the Wasp II flamethrower variant, and the Sexton SPG developed using ram chassis which was used very effectively by the British forces.

          • True, but during the time, canada was still a commonwealth of Britain, so it would make seance that it would get UK camo

  9. We, looks like we have to move to the Marder III..uhm..Marder 38t…since this looks confusing, I try to compare
    -old 76.2(r) to new Pak 40/2 (75mm)

    -10mm less penetration (118 -> 108)
    -15 less damage (125 -> 110)
    -slightly better ROF (12 -> 12.5)
    -Faster aim time (2.9s -> 2.5s)
    -Better accuracy (0.43 -> 0.4)
    -Less DPM (1500 -> 1375)

    Other stuff
    -Top engine removed (20hp less horsepower), terrain resistance reduced and traverse increased in return
    -Better agility in stock, but possibly slightly worse in elite configuration (cannot be tested in test server due lack of players)
    -Better radio range (310m -> 550m) [now thats a buff, no longer having to worry about that when sniping!]

    Mixed feelings, mixed feelings…

    • I do fear that everyone will jump to the Marder 38t and they will start nerfing the Marder 38t then, the only bad thing about the Marder 38t is its low penetration, thats its only disadvantage.
      If you know where to aim or when to switch to gold ammo…..nuff said.

  10. What???
    Did anyone notice we have a new record at biggest gun depression category???

    D1:
    Depression angle for the gun 25 mm Canon Raccourci mle. 1934 changed from 8 to 18 degrees.
    Depression angle for the gun 47 mm SA34 changed from 10 to 18 degrees

    Or actually is has always been the best tank in that category!:
    Depression angle for the gun 37 mm APX SA18 changed from 20 to 18 degrees

  11. hmm, it will be harder to play marder with tier V vehicles… no more haloen orders! ;)

  12. One more question, will we get XP compensation for the removal of the 5 cm PaK 39 L/60 TD gun from the game? I know it’s only 350 XP, but every little thing counts.

    • As far as I am concerned, we do not get an XP refund. Maybe the XP difference is too small for that (its just 350XP!)

      • i got refunded only half xp(25k) for 50k worth engine in e50, so no way to get refund for that tiny gun.

        • You got refunded 51k exp for the 50k exp engine.

          You were given the new engine which cost 26k exp and you were given 25k free exp.

    • Isn’t the gun going to be on the Marder III? As, in that case, you’d just have it unlocked on that tank.

  13. What about the premium tanks based on regular tanks such as the B2? It doesnt get the modifications ?
    … how terrible…

  14. It took them this long to realize some of these tanks were sub-par? I could have told them the Lorraine was crap the day they nerfed it.

  15. (that’s why the German designers decided not to use the 76,2mm gun on Marder III)

    Uh, the Sdkfz 139 is not a Marder III?

  16. Good thing they nerfed the V/IV in to the ground, that tank was just dominating!!! Farking morons.

  17. Pz V/IV and V/IV Alpha changes

    The -10 gun depress is only for the sides. frontally it’s -4 now, rear is still -1.
    They also don’t list the fairly large ammo rack nerf it gets.

  18. And it was not a small mobility nerf for the V/IV, it was gigantic. So now you have a huge, slow tank with no camo, a tiny gun, and no armor.

    • Don’t forgot they increased the MM weight for it as well.

      it’s now considered a Tier 6 heavy as far as the MM line up is concerned.

  19. Failpanther is a much better tank. They fact I just said that makes me want to puke, but it is true.

    • 50B doesn’t use the saurer engine. It uses the Maybach HL 295 F, which was never changed.

      • Or if WG is kind they will add Soya Bio-Diesel consumable for the French like they did with the Japanese.

  20. Churchill VII gets a much needed gun depression buff :o
    I’m already done with that tank forever though, so I guess it doesn’t really matter to me, personally.

  21. Jagdpanzer IV changes – DAMN YOU RUSSIAN BIAS! XD

    Churchill VII
    Depression angle for the gun 75 mm Gun Mk. V changed from 4 to 12,5 degrees.
    Depression angle for the gun QF 6-pdr Gun Mk. V changed from 6 to 12,5 degrees.

    Wow, now THAT’S some gun depression buff!

    Nice they buffed the Lorraine, it’s gonna be even more awesome :)

    • Was going to post this, thanks for not being the only person with eyes and a brain!

      The Church VII with the 75mm and gun depression almost as good as a bloody Dicker Max sounds like the scariest damn thing ever. Not to mention the rest of the soft stat buffs and hitpoint buff. I think this finally has a good niche to fit against all the other extremely strong tier 7 Heavy competition!

      • Don´t want to spoil your happy feelings but did you realize that only the crappiest guns are being buffed? Neither the 75mm HV, nor the 77mm MK. II recieve this buff.

        That makes it just a bit easier to grind – sadly.

        No depression and elevation on the top gun and this bloody track weakspot are what kills this tank for me.

        • Nobody sane would use these guns even for grind when you can mount the 75 mm Vickers HV from the start. Unless you get the 6pdr Mk. V and spam APCR, of course.

  22. This again show how big idiots Wargaming developers are. The removed a goddamn 50mm gun because it was unhistorical, though now the come with a freakin Waffentrager E100…….

      • ^^^^

        Same as above, however all that matters to them is MONEY if something is broken they’ll only fix it if its Russian (IS-3 which wasn’t even broken).

        Add a new TD line that people with spend gold and therefore money on.

        They couldn’t give a shit about anything else.

    • Please uninstall game and optionally but preferably kill yourselves you buncha witless whiners.
      Thank you.

    • There is a difference between making an existing vehicle that that didn’t mount a certain gun historical and making a proposed tank design ! AS HISTORICAL AS POSSIBLE !

      Im sure you’d rather see WT like tech-trees where US line stops at the M4 Sherman and Tiger II’s slug it out with IS series tanks in the field, just rolling over everything else. Sounds like plenty of fun to me .. NOT.

    • Well you fucking morons should just emigrate to Warthunder then and play Panther versus FUCKING T-54!

      • …what?
        KV1S has 810 HP.
        ARL has 820 HP.
        M6 has 870 HP.
        T-150 has 880 HP.
        VK36 has 950 HP.
        churchill will have 960 HP.

        Please tell me in what way the VK3601 is at the bottom of the tier 6 heavies in health pool.

  23. Vickers Medium Mk.II is buffed, but in the Liиx competition it was far the best in tier 2.
    Best players with that?

  24. Saying that something is changed because it wasn’t historical isn’t an explanation it’s an excuse it they dont change loads of stuff that isn’t historic they use historicity only when it pleases them. It’s not a valid reason to ch age something like balance purposes .
    Also can you please ask why was 36.01 changed the way it was and not historicity bs please.
    Thanks

      • No no i havent, they have in fact failed to point out what was wrong with it , kv1s for example is untouched but 36.01 nerf took everyone completely by surprise just because it was a fun tank not an op one.

      • And you need to stfu I can play just fine , I don’t care as much that it was nerfed as to WHY.

        • For pretty much all practical intents and purposes it wasn’t even nerfed, dumbass. Oh and “I can play just fine” sounds terribly unconvincing coming from an Anonymous whinebitch who doesn’t even use his ingame nick so we could check.

  25. No fixes for HESH then, which is still broken, or for the FV4202 turret, or the drive sprocket modeled in the damage model for the Centurion or for the rest of the crap still broken in the Brit lines.

    Oh but they buffed the IS-3 because that was what it needed.

    • 1. Drive sprocket on all tanks count in the damage model.

      2. How is HESH broken, from what I see, it’s the ultimate gamble. It’ll either do insane damage, or nearly none. Hell, on test I rolled 34 damage in the 183. 34 freaking damage.

      3. The IS-3 lost much of it’s turret armor, so if you’re not staring one down, it’s much easier to kill now. And the main reason for the change in turret armor was the discovery of a different document that said they had grossly miscalculated the turret armor.

  26. this game is super arcade and they still keep using that word… historical.. nothing about this game is historical except the models

    • You are using the word historical in the wrong context. When devs say historical they mean they want to get it as close to real as possible in terms of vehicle realism, not gameplay realism. In the end game balance is the ultimate goal, no matter how historical you go. A historical game would be unplayable, so don’t whine when devs do something for the sake of game balance you guys are always crying so much about ..

      • I always though of at as an ok tank.. now with depression and hp buff it can be a good tank.. like a BP in tier 6!

        • You do realize it’s the guns with under 90 penetration that get’s the depression buff right? Not the top gun 77mm

  27. -G.W. Tiger (P) : Aim circle spread for the gun 21 cm Mörser 18/1 changed from 0,9 m to 0,88 m.

    This is a nice info for my new arty that I bought yesterday….

    • An arty buff?….hell hath frozen over, judgement day is upon us!!! Lol its nice to see arty getting some love, I just wish I had any of the ones being buffed…how is tiger p? I have been considering buying it for a t8 to play in platoons

  28. Historical accuracy and WoT just do not compute.

    Why are T1 HT and M6 still having “unhistorical engines”? Not to mention that both tanks never left “testing range” and never ever saw action.

        • I daresay it has rather higher chances of being correct than some random whiner talking out of his ass.

        • You do know american vehicle designations, do you ? T stands for Test, M stands for Massproduced. So in the end the M6 wouldn’t really have the M designation if it never left testing phase .. You don’t even have to look that up, it just needs 3 seconds brain activity

          • The M just signalized it was a ready product, M6 was a ready tank for mass production but the Pentagon hierarchy didn’t want it for some odd reasons.

            • M-number basically means “officially accepted to service”. The military pretty much took one good look at the thing and decided it wasn’t worth the hassle of shipping overseas, so the smallish bunch that got built stayed Stateside to delight the young and old alike in publicity shows and the like.

              Most definitely “left testing range”, however, which was the point.

  29. Really hope more arties than those are being buffed; the Crusader SP is f’king unplayable.

        • Those look fun. I’ve seen a good player drive all over the map and bombard camping tanks from unexpected angles. They were probably thinking they’re being shot at by their own arty.

  30. Both vehicles had their characteristics significantly improved (the depression buff from -3 to -10 degrees). The gun also fires faster, but aims slower. Nevertheless it should be said that for a mobile vehicle with a gun that is not exactly the best for tier 6, rate of fire is more important than aim time. The engine recieved historical horsepower and became weaker, hitpoints were nerfed too, but the view range increased.

    Aimtime vs RoF on a mobile tank. Don’t you think a tank that stops and go should have better aimtime than RoF?
    Or is it supposed to not stop at all?