The Internet is a truly wonderful thing. At the touch of a button, you can access information that would have taken days, maybe even years, to discover previously. Over the past months (nearly a year, hooray!), SS, myself, and many other talented authors and researchers on this blog, as well as an uncountable number of others, have provided you with volumes information about historical armoured vehicles. Countless numbers and statistics have been provided to the public, countless questions asked and answered.
Except this one. This is a very important question, and many man-hours and millions of dollars have went into solving it in various other fields, but goes unnoticed by the average person.
How do you poop in a WWII tank?
This is how. In case you were doubting that the vehicles at Kubinka were fully restored.
Personally, I’ve seen worse.
So a team bonding exercise then?
Yup, you hold each other’s hands while you do it.
Okay…Now on to the real question, where are the shower and spa modules?
That probably why they built TOG
Lies, it was the 1st attempt of making a land going missile sub.
More lies. They were trying to fit in shower, spa, AND a jet engine, along with the usual cafetaria, masseur and other big tank tidbits. of course, the jet engine failed and now it’s stuck….
“cafeteria”
With TOG size it was more likely an officers’ mess.
Lies! They were trying to build a pool in there.
Look out! HE splash!
HA HA
That made my day.
Talk about a fire in the hole.
It’s very clean, maybe never used. Ze Germans shit their pants, didn’t make it to the can.
Ze Germans are well known snipers..they hit the center of the hole. The shit never touched the sides.
Hell..they probably never left their seats and took accurate potshots over long distances… :P
You guys are hitlerious. xDDD
I’m sure “The Chieftan” would say that is an escape hatch that he can’t fit through…
Well.
When your tank is on fire.
Anything that leads to the outside of the tank would be an escape hatch.
The size of this component prohibits such a use.
Except a hatch that leads to the underside of a still burning tank….
Perhaps he had it set to travel position :)
“Except a hatch that leads to the underside of a still burning tank….” that may be upside down.
There is a bigger, better hatch for that.
That’s an escape hatch for WG EU.
Actually, I do have a legitimate question about a certain famous tank that I can’t find a precise answer to anywhere:
How did the crew in the turret of the Maus communicate with the crew in the hull? Or, if none of the prototypes were fitted with such a system, what plans were there along these lines? Where did the wires/tubes/whatever else run between the two?
I ask because not only are the two groups of men in different compartments, but there’s an engine (modified from an aircraft engine, no less), air pumps, an auxiliary engine, and a generator separating them. One figures that simply shouting probably wouldn’t be enough in such a setup.
The Germans had perfected the cups-tied-by-a-string system by that point, that’s how they communicated.
I’m sure they had radio/intercom systems, just like nearly every other tank in the world, at that point in time.
Once my book on the Maus comes in the mail, I’ll be able to tell you :) But nominally, tanks contained an internal communications device that allowed crewmen to talk to each other. In practice, such a device was too quiet, and it was faster to communicate with gestures and light shoves. A tank where the crew was physically separated was at a disadvantage.
Eh,sorry,is there a book on the Maus? Like,a hole book talking only about the Maus?!
That would be absolutely awesome!
If I did not misunderstood and there really is a book which’s subject is only the Maus could you please tell us it’s name and maybe from where we can buy one.
Personally I would find such a book very,very interesting.
Or you were just joking?
There is. But there’s a catch, it’s in Russian. http://hobbygames.ru/panzerkampfwagen-maus-konstruirovanie-i-proizvodstvo
Dam if only I could read Russian. Would love to read that book
Martin, that should be the base for this russian version, most likely more accurate too ;)
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/3613035480/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF
Tnx
Unfortunately I don’t speak Russian but my father does.
On the other hand I know German a little bit and with a dictionary I could read the book.
In any case,thank you very much,this is a very interesting subject for me.
BTW,are there any other (online) sources from which I can read about the Maus expect Wikipedia and it’s external links?
I have a handful of articles: http://tankarchives.blogspot.ca/search/label/Maus
They used an intercom system to communicate.
In very early tanks (for example StuG III 0-series) they used pipes to talk with each others.
Thanks for the replies, guys! I knew about the Maus book, but I couldn’t read Russian. I assumed it was some form of intercom, tin cans connected with string, or sound-powered phone system, but had no research to back it up. The bit about the StuG gives me a very good place to start looking for similar systems!
Panzer Tracts 6-3 might help you a little.
Even the the first model T-34 had an intercom system for the crew, of all the Maus’ unbelievable laundry list of failings I highly doubt the Germans left out an intercom system for the crew.
“Mine-lying device” ;)
lol +1 :D
That´s a PZ III, wich was widely considered the most ergonomic and comfortable tank of WWII for the crew.
I would like to see how it was in a T-34…
It was much more bigger that this on the pic. A man can pass through it…i tryed. :D
In T-34 there was no toilet – Russian genius engineers didn’t give a shit about shit (because Russian soldiers should have fight Germans, not wasting their time on anything else)
:)
The T-34 had a pipe at waist level for convenient urination.
Bollocks, the Panzer III was ergonomic aright but not the most “comfortable tank” of WW2.
http://tankarchives.blogspot.no/2013/11/ergonomics.html
And despite all this the sovs still built T-54 and T-72 aka ergonomic nightmare that required small crewmembers and even then they were horrible :D
T-72
1 wrong move even by a dwarf size commander and bye bye hand we dont need your applications any more :P
Well T-72 isn’t exactly a *WW2* tonk. :P
More like an engineering study in cramming the maximum amount of payload into a vehicle as small and nimble as possible and the due tradeoffs, really.
“SS, myself, and many other talented authors”
Modesty FTW!!!1111oneoneone ;)
um… the article was made by EnsignExpendable it would have been funny if you were right, but you’re not.
I know it was made by him, but mentioning self as the besterest is not moderest thing, don’t you think?
So that’s the toilet of PZ3?
I always assumed that crewmen would exit the tank before a battle to do their business….
That makes me wonder if today’s MBTs have toilets or not. o.o
And privacy geewhiz there is none other than looking in the different direction!
Should mount some curtain around that area :) TOG most probably has it that way.
You would spend hours in your tank, sometimes days. A man’s gotta poop.
that’s a weak spot right there !
When Havok and tank flipping over comes, you’ll be able to shoot the tank trough there :D
where’s the toilet paper?
O.o
Yeah.. and the sink with fresh hot and cold water… and a squishy towel… and air refreshener ;)
i wouldn’t be surprised to see an air freshener in modern tanks actually…..
Lock and Load!!
Huh. I always figured you went outside if you needed to go to the toilet. If the tank was out of combat, there was no reason to poop in the tank. And if the tank was in combat, there were more pressing things than that.
A list of complaints about the BT and T-26 tanks at Khalkin Gol includes a mention of there being nowhere to pee into.
I can count them, because I have THE POWER!!
you can try it in czech trains ..its look similar
linking to huge nose blog again? =P
what about TP?
Such luxuries are absent from the battlefield.
This is how they placed mines in the battlefield
Fun fact the M4 used the shell cases… And then tossed them overboard. At least, so I have heard…
Lol at that hole. I bet if they driver was afk you could always stick his head into the pit…
Like this?
http://assets-cloud.enjin.com/users/337187/pics/original/2466479.jpg
And overpressure from the fume blower squirts it straight in the face of that creeping saboteur. Brilliant !
Wipe your ass with your hand, then wipe it clean to the shells, load it, fire at enemy tanks and shit on them.
Guys, guys, guys! It is very funny and hilarious really I have enjoy that, but!
It is a simple escape hatch on the bottom of a German Panzer.
You know, the German Army and Waffen SS thought expert tankmen are more valuable for the 3e Reich, than a tank. At least the German tanks are loaded with escape hatches, yes even on the bottom of the tank (just imagine: Your tank is under infantry fire for example and the crew have to escape).
Do You really think the crew had the opportunity to shit while the tank was fighting?
Who might been shitting, the commander, the gunner or the driver??????
Think about it please! Why should have just a German (see the color field grau of the tank) have an putty hole?
And then what’s the rubber around the hole and nice cushion for? To make escaping more comfortable? Tank escape hatches do not look like this. Germans are not superhuman, and also need to poop periodically. Tank battles take hours, sometimes days. You have to eat, and if necessary, sleep in your tank. Not every single moment of a tank battle is balls to the wall gunfire and maneuvers like in WoT.
For the record floor escape hatches are AFAIK also a luxury tanks with torsion-bar suspensions cannot afford.
You know, what with the bars across the whole bottom and all.
Depends on the spacing of the bars, plenty of torsion bar tanks have escape hatches. They just tend to be small.
Which ones? This is a serious question too, as most schematics I’ve seen (not that many granted) appeared to lack any provisions for such.
Yep You cauch me EE. But just imagine; the Panzer wade through a swallow river (it happens quit often) and if there no rubber around the hole it is not sealed and water come in the tank. Is that a real W(ater) C(loset)? And You got me again EE, the Germans are not Übermenschen. But apparently the Russians well because they do not needed a putty hole in their tanks. At least I do not have seen any photo of it.
Would it be rude to point out this is was literally the first pic of such a contraption in *any* tank I’ve ever seen? I don’t think I’ve seen actual photos of the floor escape hatches I’ve since long ago known the Shermans had, for that matter…
And how many photos of Soviet tank interiors have you carefully studied before you came to your excellent conclusion?
Dear EE,
First of all do not feel Yourself offended. I do not have seen any picture of Soviet tanks (or which tank at all, before) with a putty hole/escape hatch. I have read about rumors of bottom escape hatches on some German panzers (according to the rumors Panthers and Tigers). Thats all.
Besides that there is a picture of a hole in the bottom of a German tank with a rubber sealed circle shaped hatch at the bottom of a German tank. A hole witch could been a putty hole (in my humble opinion – regarding some French toilets – rather big). Or could it been an escape hatch.
If this is a putty hole, why on earth was no picture ever seen took in a Soviet, British, French or an USA tank with the same putty hole? Only the Germans have to shit during a tank-battle? Nobody else, just the Germans? Is there any veteran of the Panzerwaffe or the Waffen SS ever asked how they been excused while they fought the Battle of Kursk?
OK that hole could been used as a toilet if the need was very high, but primer it was an escape hatch as far I can judge. But I am open for any argument of course.
OK SmartGuy,
Here is a link to a picture of an T-54 or T-55 with an escape hatch on the bottom http://cdn1.fotopu.com/img/130976-3.jpg
So there were Soviet tanks with bottom escape hatches, my mistake.
But there is no putty hole or what so ever found yet.
Wondering how they poop in those MBT like M1 Abrams :D