Whine of the Banned Botter

Source: http://www.thebuddyforum.com/tankleader-forum/ban-section-ban-reports/149348-ban.html

Hello everyone,

since I am naturally an evil person, nothing makes me more happy than to see the whine of a botter, caught in the act and his account permabanned. His tears are delightful and although he managed to have his ban “overturned” to an account wipe, he raged even further. Pretty funny stuff :)

Meet Vend3tt4, a convicted bot and hear his moaning :) By the way, the first support worker’s name “Antoine Dodson”…. I am almost certain the name is fake, but if it’s really his name… poor guy.

Edit:

You know who this guy is? His name was familiar to me. Remember the FTR Bot Menace post with the T-54 bot video, demonstrating the new and “advanced” bot version? He’s the guy running that bot.

 

 

Be careful, the post is very long (TLDR: botter rages, WG support is resolute, results in account wipe).

So, our botter friend complained and here’s what the support wrote him:

Antoine Dodson 12 February 2014 13:01

Dear Vend3tt4.

I am Antoine Dodson and I thank you for contacting us.

The email you have received informs you about a permanent suspension of your World of Tanks account.

Note that inactivity in battle is not permitted, whether a botting program is used or not.

In this situation, we normally close the account permanently. However, in this case, we can consider giving you your access back, if you agree to read the EULA to avoid this situation in the future, and wipe your account. This position is taken in order to preserve the integrity and gaming atmosphere for the benefit of all players.

If you decide that you want to play again, you will have to send us a confirmation. We will then wipe your account, which means, you will lose all research and vehicles. You will only keep the premium tanks, gold an garage slots.

In order to proceed we will need to verify your identity. Please come back to us with the following information :

• Account registration date
• Name of the Internet provider when the account was registered
• City of registration
• Bill screenshots or any other information (for example, bank statements) related to WoT payments

Please note that any further violation of the EULA will result in your account being permanently suspended, without a second possibility of appeal.

Kind regards,

Antoine Dodson,

EU Customer Service Team

https://support.worldoftanks.eu

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Vend3tt4 12 February 2014 13:17

I was active in game, but not good player .. Sometimes i got disconnects because of my poor modem.. I spent really much time and money on this game. And you offer me to delete it all? I bought alot gold fot premium account to get exp faster as same as credits. To get tier 10 tanks faster. And you offer me to wipe it all? I would rather get all my time and money spent on this game. it is offensive of you to offer me to wipe my account.

Anthony Orwell 12 February 2014 14:29

Dear Commander,

Unfortunately the suspension of your account is final.

We will not force you to wipe the account, but if you do not want to do it it will remain locked.

Best regards,

Anthony Orwell,
EU support team

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Vend3tt4 12 February 2014 14:46

Then i demand full refund for wasting my time and money. It is enough insulting. Comunity is insulting in game, and now staff is suspending me for being a noob. It is outrageus … I love this game, not the insults. I spent lots of money and now you took it all away. I deman full refund, why should i play if you will suspend me again. Because i get reported for having bad connection or playing bad…

Vend3tt4 12 February 2014 15:06

You do realise that you offer me to loose everything but premium tanks. You offer me to throw away all money spent on expierience transfer and all gold spent on premium account, i really am upset and angry about all this suspension. So much time lost to achieve tier 10. You saying me that all my effort playing this game is wasted. All money thrown away.. I really want my money back, i can provide all transaction checks, ID and so. Im displeased with that “support”, angry for being called unrespectful, sad for being offered to delete all my achievments. I do respect rules of this game, i am just unlucky to sometimes loose connection. I played lots of hours this game, because i like it. I want to play this game again. And i want my tanks

Laure Tristan 12 February 2014 16:09

Hello Vend3tt4,

Thank you for contacting our Support Team about your restriction.

By wiping your account, the only items left on your account will be your premium tanks, your premium days and gold.

Please understand that we cannot refund goods that have been already used. All gold items will remain in your garage;

In order for us to start the process, we need to verify that you are the owner of the account. Could you please provide us with the following information:

-Your account registration date

-The name of your internet provider at that time

-The city of registration

-Screenshots of bills and any other information (for example bank statements) related to all WoT payments (we do not accept copy/paste or screenshots of confirmation emails)

Reminder: Please save the screenshots as .jpg and be aware that the maximum size of the files is 2 Mb.

Also keep in mind we treat all information you send us with paramount confidentiality and security. All information you send will be securely and permanently destroyed after your issue is resolved.

Once we receive the requested information we will proceed with the account wipe and inform you once the operation is completed.

We hope to hear from you soon.

Kind regards,

Laure Tristan

EU Customer Service Team

https://support.worldoftanks.eu

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Vend3tt4 12 February 2014 16:52

I want my accaunt with no wipe or i want full refund. Im either playing this game and enjoying it. Or leaving it behind and taking my money back.

Vend3tt4 12 February 2014 18:48

Ill get better modem/router to reduce my iddle time in game. Cause it is main problem. Second is sometimes i get a call and have to go.. Even if im playing. Please give me back my account and i promise ill do better.. Im really upset.. But im not bot, like many people call me.. I do most of the time camp.. Cause i play with td’s a lot. I’ll greatly reduce my idle game in battles, i promise. I really spent much time on this game dont want to loose tanks. And i like this game…

Irena Brokh 12 February 2014 21:30

Hello there Vend3tt4,

Thank you for your reply.

I understand that account wipe is not ideal and that you may not want this however, it is the only way you can get this account unblocked.

Please note that you will lose:

- All your stats.
- All your crew.
- Everything you did not buy with gold
- Credits
- All experience including free experience

The things that will be left on your account:

- Premium Tanks
- Premium Ammunition
- Premium Consumables
- Premium Time
- Garage and Bunk Slots

Please note that we cannot offer a refund of anything that you’ve purchased for the WoT account as you have used what you bought to full extent.

Kind regards,
Irena Brokh
WG Customer Support EU

https://support.worldoftanks.eu

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Vend3tt4 12 February 2014 21:57

After grinding so much expierience there’s no point playing this game anymore… Really upset.. I never though i would get suspended for getting disconnects… If i knew .. I would have bought new modem… All i can now get my acc with premium tanks and sell acc? Trying to cover at least some money?… It would be to sad to play my self.. Or give away to someone.. I am really upset….. Wish i never played this game, not going to recommend it…

Luke Vos 13 February 2014 08:45

Hello Commander,

Thanks for getting back to us.

Unfortunately you cannot transfer your account to a third party.

If you wish us to proceed with your accountwipe please send us the requested information.

See you on the battlefield!

With kind regards,
Luke Vos
EU Customer Service Team

https://eu.wargaming.net/support/

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Vend3tt4 13 February 2014 17:48

It is not resolved

Vend3tt4 13 February 2014 17:51

First i never got a warning i should fix my activity. Second now i said i will fix my modem. And i wont get any disconnects. And third if you yet consider me bad person and dont trust me, i dont see a reason why i cant sell or give away my acc. Since you wont refund me.

Anthony Orwell 13 February 2014 19:24

Dear Commander,

The account has been locked as a result of excessive inactivity. Note that it does not mean that we consider you a bad person in any way. We are not judging you personnally. We only observe that this account was not active enough to be considered an active and legitimate player account.

Unfortunately, it does mean that no matter what you have to say, our position will not change. This account can either be wiped or left locked. That part alone is entirely up to you.

I hope I have clarified the situation for you.

Best regards,

Anthony Orwell,
EU support team

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Vend3tt4 13 February 2014 19:39

How excessive i was inactive? What percentage ? I have played 14.4k games how many was i inactive? 20? 30?… Even a hundred is less then 1% inactivity.. 14.4k games i played and u offer me a wipe. This is a joke.. Please unblock it…

Anna Janson Yesterday at 06:37

Hello Tank Commander,

Thank you for contacting us.

I’m sorry but we cannot disclosure any evidence that we have.

I can assure you that we are making a full investigation before we lock the account.

Please remember that you agreed to follow World of Tanks Rules: World of Tanks Game Rules – World of Tanks official forum

Since you have not done so, you have received a suspension according to the punishment instructions.

As my colleagues said before, the only way to unblock your account is to do a wipe.

If you wish to continue with the process, please send us all required information.

Kind regards,
Anna Janson

Wargaming.net Customer Support

https://support.worldoftanks.eu/

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Vend3tt4 Yesterday at 08:23

I do understand that i broke rules, but it was not on porpuse and i didnt use any third person programs. I am asking to recosider my account. And make a warning system. Please give me one more chance.

Tim Berg Yesterday at 09:13

Hello Tanker,

Thank you for your reply.
We understand your frustration, our investigations, however, have clearly shown the use of additional software (bots, clickers, macros, keyboard and mouse recorders, or other similar methods to receive credits and experience without the participation or with passive participation in the battle) was used. We are always very accurate in these investigations and therefore lock accounts only when we are 100% sure. We can only offer you the account wipe already we already mentioned.

Best regards,

Tim Berg

Customer Service Europe

https://support.worldoftanks.eu

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Vend3tt4 Yesterday at 09:45

I did not use any 3rd party software. i dont know how did you investigate, but i was not using anything related to world of tanks. i use only addons from curse.com

Martin Walk Yesterday at 10:02

Hello Vend3tt4,

thank you for your answer.

I really know how you feel right now, but as my colleages already said, we are not able to take the suspension off of your account.
You have the choice to get your account wiped or it will stay suspended.

If you have any other questions don’t hesitate to come back to us.

Kind Regards,

Martin Walk

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Vend3tt4 Yesterday at 10:13

I play this game for long. Played 14,4k games and you offer me to play from scratch. You dont kniw how i feel. I have Razer anansi keyboard which has macro fuction or something like that. Is that the case ? Also Razer Ourobors if it has something to do with my suspension. I can even replace my gaming gear.. But please open my account..

Ben Hope Yesterday at 10:44

Hello Tank commander,

As already stated your account has been permanently suspended for using additional software in the game or for joining battles without participating actively or by entering the battle and being “away from keyboard” in order to accumulate experience and credits. The violation was reported by the Automated Anti Bot and Leeching System and then investigated and verified. The ban was given according to our rules and it is a final decision and will not be over turned.

Regarding the information, and procedure taken in gathering the information needed, we do not provide any information to protect the procedure and to make sure that no one is able to exploit the system. I hope you can understand this.

By playing the game, you have accepted the End Users License Agreement and supplementary documents. With this, you agree to read, understand and respect the World of Tanks Game Rules, which contain the following paragraph regarding the rule you have violated:

“4.06. Using bots, clickers, macros, keyboard and mouse recorders, or any other similar methods to accumulate credits and experience without the participation or with passive participation of the player within the battle.”

You can find more information about the Game Rules if you follow these links:

END USER LICENCE AGREEMENT | World of Tanks
PRIVACY AND COOKIE POLICY | World of Tanks
TERMS OF SERVICE | World of Tanks

World of Tanks Game Rules – World of Tanks official forum

The decision to close your account permanently is final as i have just checked to see if there was an error in this case. The only way you can have your account back is if you confirm that you want us to wipe your account. This means that everything will be deleted from your account except the gold and the Premium tanks as already been explainded.

If you wish to proceed with the account wipe, please, reply with a confirmation so that we can start the account wipe process.

We hope to hear from you soon.

Best regards,

Ben Hope

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Vend3tt4 Yesterday at 10:59

I was not using any software except for my keyboard which is Razer anansi and which is with 100+ programmable keys with on-the-fly macro recording, 7 thumb modifier keys, Five additional gaming macro keys. Also Razer Ourobors is my gaming mouse which can modify sensitivity with buttons. I dont use any boting software or any clickers and similar programs. And i i said before i have problems with my modem which cause problems in game. many battles fought was getting disconnects. If you system would provide a warning to me. i would have fixed it. You have to provide a warning. Please understand me. And being afk in battles is not accumulating any exp and or credits. I dont see a reason i would do it on purpose. Please review my situation.

Mike Chadwick Yesterday at 11:30

Hello Commander,

Please understand that we have explained this situation to you numerous times, everything has been explained. The only solution to have your account returned is after a wipe. Please understand that we cannot continue to repeat ourselves, and from now on we can only offer you our assistance if you agree to a wipe. Please note that replies unrelated to an account wipe will not be taken into account.

We look forward to hearing from you soon.

Kind Regards,

Mike Chadwick
Wargaming.net Customer Support Team

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Vend3tt4 Today at 16:01

Was searching internet for situation similar to mine, found some guy got warning message, why didnt i get? How am i so different? Please give me one more chance, like you gave to this guy or girl.

“Our automated Anti-Bot/Anti-AFK Tracking System has indicated that you may be in violation of our game policies.

This is a formal notification that your account is suspected of violating the World of Tanks End User License Agreement, Terms of Service, and Game Rules. Specifically, you may be transgressing the “excessive and repetitive passive play” policy which can be found in chapter 5 of the game rules.

For further information see:

EULA – End User Licence Agreement – World of Tanks official forum

Terms of Service – World of Tanks Terms of Service – World of Tanks official forum

Game Rules – World of Tanks Game Rules – World of Tanks official forum

Please be aware that any future violations that show up on your account during one of our routine checking procedures can be grounds for a permanent suspension.

We kindly request that you refresh your understanding of our policies and abstain from actions that violate the EULA, TOS, or Game Rules.

Please, abide by the fair play principles.

GM Sent this

Thank you for contacting World of Tanks support.

Your ban has been switched to a warning in our systems.

Please note that the next time your profile shows up in our system it will result in a permanent game ban with the only way to restore your account by agreeing to a wipe.

Thank you for contacting World of Tanks support, and please do not hesitate to call on us again.”

Iva Medeiros Today at 16:44

Hello Tank Commander Vend3tt4,

Thank you for contacting Support.

We understand and respect your frustration. However everything has been clearly explained in the previous answers.
Dragging this issue, will not solve it.
Please contact us again if you decide to accept our offer to wipe your account.

Regards,
Iva Medeiros

EU Customer Service Team

https://support.worldoftanks.eu

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Vend3tt4 Today at 17:12

I do not understand giving someone second chance and not to me. I didnt use any software and asking to give me second chance. Please

Jens Schneider Today at 17:42

Greetings Vend3tt4,

Thank you for your reply.

This is your second chance. Get your account wiped and you can play once more with this account. If you don’t want to get your account wiped, feel free to create a new account.

Kind regards,
Jens Schneider

Wargaming EU Customer Service Team

https://support.worldoftanks.eu

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147 thoughts on “Whine of the Banned Botter

  1. Haha! Good job WG support. Cheaters never prosper. I particularly like how they ask for survey feedback on the bottom of their messages.

  2. “Tim Berg

    Customer Service Europe”

    Holy shit AVICII works for WG, can we have ingame progressive house soundtrack nao?!

    And the “btw we fucked you good please rate us” shit is priceless.

  3. Huh, so reply enough and beg enough and support will stop using copy and paste templates. Nice to know.

      • Made me giggle too. Have enough moneh for all that expensive stuff, but can’t afford better modem than the one which got him “disconnected” all the time :D Fucking retard…his tears were delicious!!

    • I was thinking this the whole way through. Can afford expensive gaming equipment except for the modem, cause that’s way too expensive to replace.

    • Lol i was thinking exactly the same, you buy razer equipment to get better in games, but have a modem that dc you from almost every game. Something is sure right here :)

  4. So… How much do they pay the support employees to keep repeating themselves and not succumb to the desire to send the guy to go F himself?.. I wouldn’t be able not to.

    • I think they’re just laughing and facepalming their way through the guy’s replies….heck, it might even be one of those ‘hey guys, look at what this dude is saying now’ joke for them.

    • Usually minimal wage.
      Because if someone accepts a Support job, he/she is really desperate, to have a job (I’m working as a lvl2 IT support at an ISP… my working conditions are much better than lvl1, but still crap).

    • I do, when I play multiplayer games I wanna meet people actually playing the game and not some programe.

  5. I understand his disagreement with Wargaming entirely. Wargaming offered no answers to why they have in the past given warnings to other individuals suspected of behavior contrary to the EULA, TOS and rules, and not to him. In addition, they offered no explanation of what evidence they had that he was indeed using bots and not simply being a noob.

    Secondly, not being made sufficiently aware of the rules or any agreement before agreeing to it in most legal circumstances nulls the agreement. If they cannot insure that people have been made aware of the rules, they cannot claim they have agreed to it.

    Thirdly, the terms in which they require you to agree to the EULA, TOS, Rules and privacy agreement renders them also, legally moot, “BY INSTALLING, COPYING, OR OTHERWISE USING OUR GAME(S) OR SERVICE(S) IN ANY MANNER” could be interpreted as downloading data from their servers, or simply browsing their page. It’s effectively the same as if “If you read this you agree to give me all your money unconditionally” is not a legally binding agreement.

    And lastly may I add, FTR’s involvement and agreement to this frankly despicable behavior sickens me, and SS and his accomplices should be ashamed of themselves.

    Take from this what you will. My views represent me, and my thought process alone.

    Geekius

    • Well, I’d expect at least a bit of skepticism towards WG abilities in pretty much anything, true dat.

      • It’s just a shame that they don’t seem to catch more of these idle/bot players as it would improve the gamining experience for the other players in the battle.

        I doubt that there are any players out there that are not aware of the fact that using BOTs or third party software breeches the EULA let alone common dfecency. I also doubt that any on-line game allows such things.

        I’m honestly glad that web sites such as this make other players aware that such behaviour in-game is not acceptable.

        Clearly some players, which I presume includes Geekius, think that playing in such a manner is acceptable. Players have to be responsible for their behaviour. If you’re caught doing something illegal accept it and don’t attempt to blame others or deflect attention (my little sister did it). Believe me such behaviour just illustrates what you really are.

        • Not necessarily acceptable, but neither is wargamings treatment of their, as v3ndetta stated, paying customers, which is my point.

          While I do agree with FTR’s attempt to make behavior like this known to be wrong, I do not agree with the way it is being done, which is cruel and unjust to the people who have been punished without first being made aware that it may have harsh consequences.

          Think of it this way.
          1. Player A performs action X.
          2. Player A gets punished for performing action X.
          3. Player B ridicules player A for performing action X, as it is now known that performing action X will get you punished.

          What conclusions can we draw from this? While it is certain fewer people will be doing the same actions that player A did, player A still got ridiculed for an action performed before this action was known to have the result it now has, which is the same reason why laws cannot, in the civilized world, offer retroactive consequences to crimes performed before the law was put in place.

          My views represent me, and my thought process alone.

          Geekius

          • Sure and all boters wait for first warning to stop using bots and enjoy the game with a garage full of tanks

            And 100000 players be punished by this unskill boter for ever.

          • Frankly speaking, everyone’s first warning is the EULA/ToS that they HAVE to agree to in order to register an account and play. Subsequent warnings are only courtesy. Whether you spent money or not does not loosen the rules either.

            • And I don’t think you really need to have read the EULA to know botting is forbidden in almost all online game.
              Let’s be honest, the guy knew perfectly well what he was doing was against the rules ,wether he had read them or not.

          • Like it or not,he has to face the consequences.Otherwise his action will encourage the others and probably majority of the players will grind all the money and experience via using “Bots” or “Botting programs” without getting permaban in the first place.

            If you are talking about the civilized world,civilized person should not done this action in the first place ! He agreed all the terms written on EULA,so as a result he just got punished.He is really lucky enough to get his gold and premium vehicles back,because people like him,will try to find another “easy to get” solution almost infinitely.

            It’s a point of view,i know but he actually got warned when he accepted the rules.Same thing happens on Steam (Vac) protected servers,once you got detected by Vac,you got permaban from all the servers of “X” game.

            “2: Knowledge of the players running applications and how the player is inputting information into the game, which if any of you did not yet realize, is illegal surveillance, which is what has been running in the media lately, and Germany especially has been knocking down on rather harshly.”

            Also i want to talk about that too,you are actually using their “software” while playing the game and that means,again you accepted their rules to watch the activity between client and server.The operating system you are using,your graphic card driver (at least Nvidia i know) also reports what’s going on at your system.That’s how they track all these records and try to prevent the piracy.(Note that,Nvidia game experience does not support “cracked games” via using the similiar way.

            Again with the same way they caught EU Super Test leakers (i find that unfair ).So that’s a system which has been used and still using by many softwares,companies and devices.

            Long story short,it might sounds harsh to you but i call it fair (actually many people on this blog and any other will call it fair) Because lots of players investing their time to this game and likely they do not want to be on the same page (team) with a bot and lose their matches.

    • Wow…. the guy is complaining on TankLeader bot site

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      LEL…. Die fu ckin botter

    • Hmm, me thinks that Geekius is running a bot program. We wetting our pants a little……………..

      BTW, good on FTR for Naming and Shaming these Turds, the more we can get rid of the better. Nothing worse than a useless bot when you need a human to react to the situation, lost many games because the bot was driving in circles at the back of the map

    • “Wargaming offered no answers to why they have in the past given warnings to other individuals suspected”

      I would guess that if they are only suspicious you are botting then you get a warning. If they are absolutely certain then you get a straight ban.

      Makes sense.

      • Except it doesn’t. They cannot be certain that the player is indeed breaking the rules without either;

        1: Admission of guilt from the player, and even that is seldom used as evidence in legal circumstances.

        2: Knowledge of the players running applications and how the player is inputting information into the game, which if any of you did not yet realize, is illegal surveillance, which is what has been running in the media lately, and Germany especially has been knocking down on rather harshly.

        As I’m certain you realize, 1 is not the case, and 2, while this could be the way in which wargaming discovered it, is at best, illegal in most European countries, which would explain why wargaming is so reluctant to offer any explanation on the methods used to discover the botting software.

        While remaining within legal bounds, the best wargaming could do would be an educated guess, which I believe within any individuals reasoning, would be dealt with with a harsh warning or a slight punishment. (fined credits/xp/gold/premium days etc.)

        My views represent me, and my thought process alone.

        Geekius

        • Geekius

          He is in a video that gives clear evidence that he is running a Bot.

          He is shown in this video as a clear example of a Bot

          He is used in a campaign to eliminate botting

          WG have seen this evidence and acted. It may take someone showing it in this light, but hey, they have acted

          If you, or any other turkey that violates the game rules gets banned, they don’t have a legal leg to stand on, not under any consumer law I have come across

            • Hey Geekius

              Come back when you learn basic consumer Law

              Little thing, “I agree to the following Terms and Conditions”.

              • Which is illegal, you may note, as you can see in the 3rd paragraph of my original post. You cannot simply say “If you use anything we have made in any way you agree to the terms”. That’s not a legally binding agreement, as I said, “If you read this you automatically agree to all of my views and accept them as your own”, is just not true, because you were not made aware of the contents of the agreement before you agreed to it.

                My views represent me, and my thought process alone.

                Geekius

                • I would figure it wouldn’t be particularly hard to put in something that could detect weather or not commands were coming from an actual keyboard and mouse or gamepad, or if they were coming from “nowhere” (i.e. a bot).

          • Oh boy, another internet lawyer. Does stuff like this turns you on? Trying to prove some obvious scum cheater is not gulity gives you a boner? Illegal surveillance is monitoring your own game/launcher and cheking if there is unknown third party software colliding with it? Too much NSA hombre? To much sci-fi movies? Too much stupidity?

            • Not really. Just disappointed at wargamings actions in this case, as I expected a much higher standard from professionals like their support staff.

              Geekius

              • I expected a much higher standard from professionals like their support staff
                Higher standard
                WG support staff
                Professionals
                HAAHHAHAHAHA
                You are funny guy i must admit

        • Educated guess? WG sure has bot behavioral patterns of the bot programs mapped and all they need to do is to analyze a bunch of replays of suspected player to search for those patterns. Judges ain’t retards, such evidence surely would be hard enough.

          • Correlation is not causation. If I were to try, I could act like a bot for 14.4k games as well without problem, it is safe to say its possible, and plausible behavioral patterns could indicate something without it actually being the case. While something seems like the truth, it doesn’t mean its necessarily correct.

            My views represent me, and my thought process alone.

            Geekius

              • Ran out of counterarguments?

                While it is improbable, it is still possible for behavior to indicate an action without this being the truth. If I see you drinking water from a sparkly water bottle, I may assume you are drinking sparkling water but it is not necessarily true.

                Geekius

                • Hi Geekius
                  1. No sympathy for botter.
                  2. Your point on wg’s inconsistency in treatment of botters is well taken.
                  3. To quote a Trinidadian friend of mine, “what you go expect in a place like this”?
                  4. Let it go. You can’t change it. The majority, myself included, are at least happy some action was taken. And wg’s offer to let him keep gold and premiums was more than I would’ve expected

            • If you are acting like a bot for 14k battles, the nyou deserve to be banned anyway, since you’re ruining everybody’s fun. Doesn’t matter if you were actually botting or not.
              Anyway, the guy is free to sue WG. We’d probably have another laugh at him.

        • Wanted to reply to that Geekus troll, even if it is pointless.

          He wanted legit counterarguments? Eat this, you stupid troll.

          1) All game relates items, such as tanks, accounts and services, belong to Wargaming and not to players. You are merely renting the data and time you spend in their world, they can take any and all actions they feel are correct.

          2) The act of accepting the EULA signifies that you read and understood it. In any legal document, the defense “I didnt know what I was signing doesnt work because you are explicitly told to read it before signing. Not reading it is not a defense.

          3) since you are the challenging party in this argument, it falls to you to provide counter arguments and proof that WG acted wrong and inconsistent. I want sufficient first party links and documentation. If you are unable to provide the required proof, you are no better than other people who argue “he is a botter and fuck him” and your opinion will be held with the same level of disinterest.

          Finally, you are a fuc ing troll and worthless loser. This opinion is my own and represents only my thought process.

          • “Finally, you are a fuc ing troll and worthless loser. This opinion is my own and represents only my thought process.”

            Haha. Classic :).

    • Sorry but you must be so stupid.

      If you look at source of this post, you see the player Vend3tt4 post this on BOT forum as result of using it.

      He is a BOTER
      from me, I hope Vend3tt4 and other boters recieve permaban on IP

      • Not what I’m arguing. While it may be possible he is a botter, wargamings response is what I’m disagreeing to, and their lack of coherence in related cases. Homer_J offered a very good explanation which is rather probable, however I’m still not certain how wargaming could be absolutely sure that the player is indeed botting and aware that this may have negative consequences for him.

        Geekius

        • Did you watch the video, you just have to scroll up the page. The only person who could possibly come back and say that wasn’t a bot is the same guy who tried to claim he was banned because of his dodgy modem.

      • If I see you drinking water from a sparkly water bottle, I may assume you are drinking sparkling water but it is not necessarily true.
        __________________
        It’s true. Otherwise you need a pair of glasses or medical attention. In your case my bet is on the latter one.

    • Regardless, I will stop commenting now, as some people are vying for insults rather then legitimate counterarguments, as is the result of most discussions. I hope some of you understood my point and got something positive out of it.

      Geekius

      • This is exactly what attention whores like you are seeking. Someone who will provide them more material/counterarguments so they can show off with their mad internet law skillz. I am glad you will now stop commenting, because you are just making yourself more and more obnoxious.

        • If my reasoning is incorrect, feel free the offer some counterarguments to it, or at least contest it in some way that is the least bit challenging. Insulting me does nothing to further either mine nor your own points, and is therefore a waste of time for both of us.

          Geekius

          • I thought you stopped commenting. Stop wasting time for all of us then. And stop wasting air for the rest of the population. As i said if you can’t see counterarguments/evidence me and other 3-4 people pointed it for you(like a video of that scum botting, his post on botting software site where he complains how he got banned for using it) you either need a pair of glasses or medical attention. Go check on your doc. He has some diagnosis to establish for you.

            • That is not nice…

              I am overall with Geekius here. WG could have handled the situation better. Not saying they were wrong, just could have been MUCH better.

              And yeah, as long as bots>>> some human players, I see no problem.

              • I agree, they could have handled it better.
                They could have permanently locked his account with no chance to appeal or keeping anything in his account, gold items or not.

                that’s what i think he deserved. actually i’d be more for a permanent IP ban as well if that wasn’t so easy to get around nowadays.

    • There is a simple reason why they didn’t issue a warning here (and i hope they will never warn a botter again): If it gets known, that botting leads to a warning and only after that to a ban/whipe, i would consider botting my third account. Why? Simple: I let it bot to Tier X and as soon as i get a warning i stop. So warning doesn’t do any good in fighting bots and botters.
      If people know that botting leads to immediate ban/whipe, this scenario is avoided.

      However i consider giving warnings to little kids just idling around all day a valid method to tell them to play more active. Or do i need to remind you that the “idle/afk” banning rules do not only include botters but also people who are just really bad. I think issuing a warning is the right move here since the goal is to improve their play (reduce their idle time).

      tl;dr: Ban botters without warning = good, ban bad players without warning = bad.

  6. Vend3tta
    Never using tankleader again! Lost account couse its detectable
    Sent from my GT-I9100 using TheBuddyForum mobile app

    le lol

    • Thanks for showing us that he posted that on the forum of tankleader, i did not noticed it … Big LOL XD

      Concerning the support, i realized that almost each time it’s a different name (same person ?) who replied him

    • Anyone heard of kodystokes from BF:Heroes?
      The guy asked on the forums why his killstreak wasn’t displaying properly. Killstreaks weren’t show ingame but only with certain hack programs. So, he had reported himself and got himself banned.

  7. Funny how he’s trying to find excuses for every issue WG shown him.Modem problems, razer hardware, phone calls…lol.
    Also, the “Please rate us” parts are priceless.:))

  8. Thanks for posting this SS, made my day!

    btw. anybody ever tried to search the tankleader forum for more special gifted individuums using their ingame nick as forum account?

  9. I wash the dust of my tracks with his tears.

    People say I’m the life of the party
    Because I bot a game two
    Although I might be laughing loud and hearty
    Deep inside I’m blue
    So take a good look at my face
    You’ll see my smile looks out of place
    If you look closer, it’s easy to trace
    The tracks of my tears..

    Sorry Smoky.

  10. -Everything you did not buy with gold-

    They just shot themselves in the foot with that. Beeing that he bought GOLD to get ACCESS to all that FREE XP, they have to either give him BACK that XP or the GOLD he spent to get it. They are luck this guy is not in the US because they would be headed to court even as we speak.

    • What a joke. You’d never be able to win this even in the USA. Iove how you all spout court with no understand of what it takes to actually win a case…

      • And you have obviously never been in a US court where the focus on trivial manusha such as this is expected. That very small and very simple statement is enough to have lawyers going back and forth for months until they decide to settle and ultimatly he will win. The balance between what if would cost to fight this case vs what it cost to dismiss it will ALWAYS tip in the plaintiff’s favor, particualrly in the case of a vidoe game. Ever hear the term “nuisance lawsuit”?

        • even in the US, WG would simply throw against him a legion of lawiers (better than his own lawier(s)), and even if he has any chance of winning, they will make it so expensive for him that, at the end, he will have only a small chance of obtaining a pyrrhic victory…

      • Actually, SACEUR only said they would be “headed to court”. He didn’t mention anything about winning or even being taken seriously by the court when Vend3tta got there :P

        • Legal precedent has all ready been set in the US for full account wipes of bots. Game companies have even been successful against the bot companies themselves. Google Blizzard’s wow for the details.

          While he could certainly take them to court he’d have no chance of winning. The only result would be a hefty counter-suit. Like Blizzard WG could afford to actually go after him with much better lawyers….

  11. Then we have people come on and post about the rights of the “poor botter”! I just can’t believe it. Saying this post is shameful? Really? It was taken off the bot forum and posted by a known botter who got caught! What’s shameful is your attempt to defend him as a noob or to speak about his rights or how he deserved a warning. Bots should just be banned. He’s lucky they even gave him a second chance.

    No game company is going to provide details of how you got caught. Giving details merely allows the bot developers to correct the flaws in their program. DCs are another silly point. WG can see when you actually are DCing. So it’s not a defense. As far as the rules it’s your duty to read them before you play the game. Especially one that you are spending your money on….

    It’s simple he broke the rules and got caught. Personally I’m saddened that it takes them so long to catch them and wipe/ban them. Hopefully this will be improved in future!

  12. SS thank you so much for this! Please keep them coming. I’d love to see a naming and shaming sub forum!

  13. Oh boy. This surely made my day and for sure is one my favourite if not favourite article on FTR so far :D
    I got bad modem, but at the same time i can afford myself Razer gaming equipment XDDD
    I am not bot, i am noob XDDDDD
    Please give me one more chance xDDD
    Please unblock my account xDDD
    I will improve in future!!! xDDD
    I will buy better modem!!! xDDD
    I will change my equipment!! xDDD
    And the icing on the cake is he used same nickname on tankleader forum as his ingame nickname XDDDD
    HOW FUCKING STUPID CAN YOU FUCKING BE YOU STUPID PIECE OF HUMAN SHIT!?
    haahaahahhahaahahhaahha
    ahahha
    haahhahahah
    P.S.
    To all whiteknights trying to take his side and justify his actions eventhough it’s pretty obvious he is a fucking cheater and botter please go fucking die.

  14. So sad, there are so many idiots in this game… On the one side, there are guys like this one…They want all high tiers at the moment so they use bot to unlock them…Why??? Playing tier by tier is gaining experience and skill needed to play higher tier..I can not imagine begining with Ferdinand against another tier VIII players.. the lack of skill would be so painfull, much more painfull than grinding Char B1 or another weak-gunned tank.
    On the oposite side, there are statwhores with far far more battles in Type 59 or KV-1S or another OP than any other tank, jerking off above their high stats and insulting other players. Its so sad..why some people just cant play and have fun??????

      • I do play for fun. What’s wrong about it except for frustration of those who spend their lives grinding pixel tanks and feel bad upon hearing that someone actually has FUN with tanks. How unfair…

      • I have fun on most grinds. :P I just adjust my playstyle. NOTHING is more satisfying than doing 2,000 damage in your stock IS-2 and losing the game. It’s HILARIOUS!

        I’m completely serious. I don’t care about losing. playing good is too much fun! :)

  15. Im almost certain that Mike Litoris from WG Staff will contact him next :) A botter is now speaking with bots, oh the irony!

  16. “Ill get better modem/router to reduce my iddle time in game. Cause it is main problem. Second is sometimes i get a call and have to go.. Even if im playing. Please give me back my account and i promise ill do better.. Im really upset.. But im not bot, like many people call me.. I do most of the time camp.. Cause i play with td’s a lot. I’ll greatly reduce my idle game in battles, i promise. I really spent much time on this game dont want to loose tanks. And i like this game…”

    Hahaha! What a moron and cheat!

    Where is he from? I hope English isn’t his first language

    I saw this earlier and the forums is full of little whining, cheating shitbags – one of them was complained about this blog – FTR – revealing how to spot a bot, what to do about it and the mod that highlights bots. The twat was incandescent with rage – it was quite amazing to read. Like the real problem is revealing cheats.

    I also noticed that TankLeader costs 25 Euros and the individual needs a Prem account – so there are many, many awful people who have too much money and no morals…like the financial sector.

    • I was reading their support forum and was laughing at that low life that was demanding that the developers “fix” the problems that allow the bot to be discovered.

  17. Although I am happy that a bot was banned I feel the way staff treat the situations are slightly unfair but that is only because I got VAC banned from MW2 back in the day and didn’t hack or modify any files ever. I hope others learn from this.

  18. Hey, if anyone had any doubts that it was him:

    http://www.thebuddyforum.com/tankleader-forum/ban-section-ban-reports/149348-ban.html

    the little shitbag actually posted his entire dialog with the WG GMs

    no mercy for this SoB

    also:

    someone replied him this:

    “I bet you booted with tier 9 and 8 oh poor kid and now you are whining why you lost your account
    several times there was thread to not boot with tanks that are higher then tier 6 and 7
    its your mistake not tankleaders cant follow simple steps so this is what you get”

    well now i know what tiers to look out for bots

  19. “Also keep in mind we treat all information you send us with paramount confidentiality and security. All information you send will be securely and permanently destroyed after your issue is resolved.”

    So where did all these come from?

    NVM, it was posted in the commments already.

  20. HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    THATS WHY YOU DONT BOT IN THIS FUCKING GAME !!! :D
    :D
    :P

    Play when you have time and when you want to.

  21. But the best part is that he is using a 100$+++ worth of gaming gear but has “Shit router that disconects him” WTF i have a 300 euro laptop and a shit wifi but im disconected 2 time in 4k game 1st when in thuderstorm my router was burnd, and secont when power went out. and yes im geting like 15-35fps whit low rez mod!

  22. I had a similar situation with wargaming. While they were whining I opened second acc, grinded all I had on my previous acc and told them that I have unlocked my acc :) :) :)

    If you have a will, you can probably go into war with them and win in court, but that is a waste of time, but it’s very funny when support starts crying and threatening because you “got” them. I wrote that I will continue writing to support until I get my acc unlocked, and I got tears and harsh words from support :) :) :)

    • Lol at original poster. He made me laugh as how stupid he is.

      He got banned for botting, so his answer was to earn all the progress again while wasting his time e-mailing people whose job to tell him to go fuck himself (and they get paid for it!!!).

      And I do love how he says they cried and threatened… mwahahaha…. New level of pathetic with this guy! I do hope they told him to suck large one :)

  23. thanks to this brave Botter, i can uninstall eclipse and start programming straight on my keyboards with stronk macros, already ordered Razer Ananasi! hope that my boss will approve of new powerful keyboard macro lang.

  24. ” Sometimes i got disconnects because of my poor modem”

    Sometimes i got DCs probably because my internet provider, and in my first 10000 battles i had an average ping of 200, still i had better stats than this botter had.

    And i found this in his profile: “Player is not icluded in overall Hit Ratio rating: less than 3000 shots fired.”
    thats average 4.82 shots per battle…

    • seeing how they passed it from one another we can safely conclude that it’s practically a “hey guys check this idiot out”. i mean, we have:
      -video proof
      -antibot detector confirmation

      and then “whine”? i think this kid is whining lv2, aka “crying for his mommy in his basement corner”

  25. Thanks SS for letting us know that botters get caught and punished. For me, it’s very good news.

    BTW I have bad equipment too (PC freezes from time to time, I guess VGA is going to silicion hell), which leads to inactivity or bot-like behaviour (as my platoonmates refer to me) – the tank is locked in last action when the PC crashes so it goes straight lines, bumping obstacles or allies etc. but I never received a warning (and it happened at least hundred times during my 17k battles). So I guess that WG performs some software checks to tell botters and other ‘strange’ behaviour apart.