Tigers on Viagra

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Hello everyone,

everyone knows the 88mm L/100 variant of the E-50, right? The gun itself was actually a historical proposal (it sounds silly, but then the Germans did consider the L/130 as well as PaK – eg. AT gun no less). In real life it would encounter massive issues with manufacture process (creating a barrel of that length is not easy) as well as wear and tear (such a long barrel would have to be reinforced somehow, heat would twist it) and accuracy (long barrels tend to oscillate when fired, reducing the accuracy significantly). This is how it looks in the game.

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For E-50, for which it was not planned – in fact, noone knows for sure what the E-50 and E-75 projects would be armed with, but considering both were an evolution of the Königstiger – or rather its streamlining for production, 88mm L/71 would be the most likely candidate (128mm gun would not fit the turret at all). The 88mm L/100 itself is not really a “real gun” either, just a demand from Hitler for a gun to mount on the Porsche Tiger  from January 1942. Nothing ever came from it.

What is even weirder however is this:

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This is an E-75 with 105mm L/100 – yes, that’s right, the gun is 10 meters long. Some claim it is actually a historical project (not for the E-75 though), but I haven’t been able to find any reference to it in the usual literature (Special Panzer Variants, Tiger und seine Abarten, Panzer Tracts, Germany’s Tiger Tanks) at all, so if it is historical at all (I wouldn’t put it past the Germans), I think it was only some mention of the “Hitler demanded this gun and the engineers quietly facepalmed” kind. The armament projects for the Tiger II ended with the 105mm L/68, which was already very problematic (for starters, the loader did not fit, the caliber was also not adopted, which would cause logistic issues, split ammunition etc.). There was a mention about Tiger II carring a 150mm gun found by Yuri Pasholok, but no details are available as of now.

The gun depicted above is not a mod, it was actually really considered for the game in its beta stage. Thank god these abominations did not make it.

70 thoughts on “Tigers on Viagra”

  2. Tiger 2 still bad tank even with the superlong 105mm.

    At least it’s better than 4502a.

    • My god, you must be proper tomato when you say KT is bad and VK even worse.
      LTP, these two are better for randoms than glorificated IS3 when not driven by a total retard like you.

    • I agree with you somme how….the typical WG German tank transmission making KT not fun to play….

      I choose a KV-4 over KT all the time….and if KV-4 is too slow then 110 is still a better choice then KT

      4502A would be not look as bad if it has more gun depression and 110 don’t exist :)

  4. RIP jousting E75

    I was actually excited when that video of it first came out.
    It made the E75 not seem like a superior version of the VK4502B, but with the same gun.

  5. I remember playing this in Test. It was awesome. It had 234 Pen at one time and it was considered to be a rival to the 105mm on E50. So it would have been like 88mm with more accuracy etc and 105mm more alpha etc.

    Wait so does the L/xx number have to do proportionally to the Caliber gun?

    Because thye Panther is a 75mm L100 right? Is it like tires where the number changes based on the tread width?

    Like a 57mm l100 would be shorter than a 75mm l100?

    • I think you are correct. The second number is the length of the barrels in its caliber (e.g. 75mmx100)

        • I always assumed the L/ part referred to the barrel length. However I don’t think it’s the length of the gun in cm since a L/100 would be 1m long, when really it’s 10m long, so therefore the number must represent length in 10ths of a meter (decimetre for you fancy people).

          • It does refer to the barrel length. In the same way everyone said it. It is 100 times the caliber of the gun. And Dandrew2000 not only said it wrong after all the others before him got it right, he also seems to be quite bad at math.

    • YES…it’s a 7,5cm or 75mm x 100….so the gun is 7500 mm or 750 cm long

  7. I love the idea of the 105mm that is long/ Wasnt there one between 60 and 100 L?

    Also question. If the E75 turret has the 128mm shouldnt the E50 have it as well? Arent they the same?

    What is the diff body and turret between E50 and 75?

    • Their hulls are pretty much the same except for armour thickness and that E-50 has 6 roadwheels per side and E-75 has 8 roadwheels per side.

      E-75′s turret is very similar to Tiger II’s turret but E-50′s turret is basically an extended schmalturm.

      • Yeah, the E50 and E75 were to be assembled on the same production line. What turret they’re supposed to have is still up for discussion as evidence is inconclusive.

  9. While the article is nice, the title is stupid and childish…
    Seriously, tigers on viagra? That’s a good title for a kinda historical article?

  10. “Hitler demanded this gun and the engineers quietly facepalmed” kind.

    Makes my day.

    Not to say it’ll problematic in urban/forested region.

    • Problematic in urban region????
      Dude! Every tank is in danger in cities no matter the barrel length.

      • There are more things to bump into and damage your gun. One of the reason the StuG was never fitted with the L/70 was that because the gun is placed so low, climbing certain slopes would cause the muzzle to grind against the ground and unlike tanks, they cannot simply turn their gun backwards.

  11. Good Morning SS,

    The 10,5 l100 is mentioned in “German artillery of world war two”.

    I might recheck the Source when im At Home.

    • There’s a mention of a “shell for 10,5cm L100″ but that’s it IIRC.

    • The gun is mentioned on page 289 as “10,5cm PzJg K L/100 (experimental)”, with the shell measurements.

  12. “The armament projects for the Tiger II ended with the 105mm L/68, which was already very problematic (for starters, the loader did not fit, the caliber was also not adopted, which would cause logistic issues, split ammunition etc.)”

    Do not spread rumors. The reason Wapruf rejected the idea of upgunning the Tiger B with 10,5 cm L/68 was that it would require a redesigned turret only. Something that probably wasn’t really needed in 1945, when war was inevitably loss. Noone mentioned any logistics problems. This way they wouldn’t ever introduce any new armament.

    • 105mm L/68 was rejected for Tiger II but planned for the E-75, while E-50 was supposed to use the Pak 43.
      WOT (partially for balance reasons but mostly due to lazy research) messed up the E-series pretty badly.

      In reality:

      E-50 had Panther II-ish armor and was planned to be armed with the long 88, while E-75 was basically a Tiger II with different suspension and a larger turret to accommodate the 105mm L/68.

      E-100 had an ausf A with front transmission and either HL 230 or a DB engine with 1000ish HP, an ausf B with 1200 HP engine and rear transmission and a proposal to upgrade that further to a 1500 HP Saurer engine.

      • Nothing is known about the armor of E-50 and E-75. We can only speculate from the minimal projected mass of both E-50 and E-75 (50 and 75 tons respectively) that both would be better armored than Panther and Tiger B. Nothing known for sure though.

        As for “messing up” E-series – WoT isn’t and should never be any source of historical knowledge or reality. Nothing wrong with E-75 and 128 mm gun or Waffentrager E-100 or E-50M. Ffs it’s an arcade game, as long as it’s balanced they can introduce Ratte if they want.

      • Yea, but in wot higher tier tanks have to be “better”… IRL E-series would most likely have worse terrain passability than tiger/panther tanks.

    • He’s spreading “rumors” because he’s basically quoting Jentz from Germay’s Tiger Tanks/Panzer Tracts 20-1? Really?

      • Well, not quite. On page 20-49 of said Panzer Tracts one can read about Tiger B mit 10,5 cm KwK (L/68):

        “In any case, the gun required new traversing and elevation devices and probably the turret would have to be redesigned. The rate of fire would sink considerab;y because of two-piece ammunition. In addition, a second loader would be needed, and adding space for him would create considerable difficulty”.

        No logistics issues mentioned. Only turret redesign and lower rate of fire (I am sorry, I omitted the ROF point, however it should be obvious).

        That’s exactly how rumors are born. Because of SS reputation such claim (of logistics issues as on of reasons of 10,5 L/68 rejection) can easily start its own life.

  15. Thats the old AusB. gun from beta. It really was THAT long; it was 2-3x the size of the tank and the tank itself was about 200% bigger than it is in game now. The muzzle break was not there then, it was before they edited the models (none of the 10.5 guns had any back then). They probably just never got around to deleting the model from the game.

  16. Silent, were there any other bizarre variants of Tigers/Panthers?

    This tank would have been interesting if trees/buildings were barriers to turret rotation. It technically would have been the ultimate sniper and played like a TD.

  17. I guess the next step planned by the german was the 105mm L/2500 so you just have to put the muzzle on contact of the enemy tank and fire ?

  18. Damn i need that gun on my E 75! And a Tiger II 15cm will be such a troll!

  19. Are those new possible camo patterns leaked that will be coming soon??? :)

    • That screenshot is REALLY, REALLY old

      Back when camo paint was purely cosmetic

  24. …The German Wunderwaffe strikes again!
    PS:This reminded me i had an idea to mount 90mm L/40 breech loading air gun in a rotating turret installed atop my car,but… the 3.60m barrel was too long and heavy and besides,my self-made AFV would be illegal in my country.

  26. With a 10m long gun barrel, you need to use a light tank as vertical stabilizer…

  27. I think the L/100 was known as Gerät 5-1030 aka 10,5-cm-HL Pak. There was also an Gerät 5-1039 aka HLR L/75 in the 10cm caliber range but i’m not sure what HLR stands for. HL probably means Hochleistungs (=high performance) as in Gerät 5-815 aka 8,8-cm-HL-Pak L/130 but the R remains a mystery.