Aimbot or Not?

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Aimbot or not, that is the question.

I wrote on the topic of aimbots some time ago (if you do not know what an aimbot is, I suggest reading the original article). My conclusion was that while not as useful as other cheats (laser aim, tree removers and such), an aimbot very difficult to prove.

And here’s an example why. Destronov made a (rather long) video review/analysis of another player’s replay, trying to uncover whether he is using an aimbot. In it, he shows examples of that player making pretty difficult shots, especially in overhead view while changing targets to weakspots, suggesting (but not proving) he’s using illegal aimbot software, pointing also out the inconsistency between this player’s driving skills and shooting skills.

 

 

So, what do you think? Is the player in question using an aimbot, or is he simply THAT skilled? You decide…

150 thoughts on “Aimbot or Not?”

      • I use autoaim (right-click) on some vehicles with Vertical Stabilizer when moving at full speed. Typical case of that would be circling or rushing a target. It makes for surprising number of hits when aiming circle is ungodly large.

        One example of such use would be when rushing the hill on Karelia, especially from the south side (where enemies from north side drive in a straight line longer). My guess would be a penetrating hit in about 50% of cases (you only get to fire off one shot on each rush, then you are covered by the hill).

        • its a reason why they want to change the accuracy again: No matter how big your circle is, the chance to hit center is too damn high.

          • lol Woras, do not underestimate the autoaim. It’s a great tool when driving is more important than aiming. Also right click and shift, then manual aim – saves a good second when sniping.

      • u cant even reach the 44%? really feel for you.

        i use now a legal autoaim… it doesnt aim for weakspots or lead the aim, but it can preaim through obstacles. even thats freakin op. it actually aim whatever is closest to my aimcircle and its shit op. but just keep ur head in the sand if it feels better for u. wot has no cheats because serb said so… retard

    • even tho IF you aim directly to tank the aimingcircle should always follow what even YOU aim so i call this a fair aimskill i have seen soo many people pame those milisecond penny shots from miles away in other fps games without aimbot and to me the reason his STATS is bad as he keeps getting himself in drouble not because he is bad player or aimer in that matter

      • wtf?…… do you even play this game?….. how can you twitch your aim like that without moving your cursor?….. 8:59… explain this to me….. show me one quickybaby video where he is doing this and i will leave this alone

        • That’s simply what happens if you aim at the target in the top down view with a low tank on a higher tank.

          That was no autoaim at all, it was fully manual aim at 8:59.

          The cursor jumps all over it due to small changes in distance which make the aim point shift between the upper edge of the hull and the turret and such.

          Add a bit of lag and the server side recticle and you get nice jumps of the recticle all across the vehicle.

          My own replays look like that too in such sequences with short distance fast paced action.

          I didn’t really see anything unusual in the video, albeit i watched only the first half of it (the rest seemed like a waste of time).
          The recticle always went to where the player manually aimed. And based on the smooth movement of the crosshair he did aim completely manually. Neither crosshair nor recticle snapped to targets or anything like that, they moved normally.

          This looks just like a normal replay of a guy with above average but not terribly unusual aiming skill in third person view.

          • We don’t talk about the reticle, which is perfectly normal behavior (the reticle following the cursor), HOWEVER, the cursor however likes to jump all over the place, the crosshair so we call. The crosshair did jump and twitch all over the place and glued to targets.

            Denying the fact that the crosshair (NOT the thing that follows it) is not twitching/following to a/a fixed target, is either being ignorant or being blind or not knowing what you are talking about.

            And it’s not small changes in distance that cause the crosshair to have small changes.. there are serious jumps that cannot be explained by human movement/game surface.

            • As far as i saw it, the cursor/crosshair did not snap to targets. I’ve seen plenty of cases in which he moved the cursor to the target even in curved motions (definitely a manual movement), went too far and had to correct a bit. An aimbot would snap to the target in a straight line and would not need any corrections.

              Those cases where the aim seemed “glued” to the target where cases in which the enemy moved slowly. A skilled player can follow his target like that.

              Do you have a time in the video in which you think the snapping is particularly visible?

              • provide your replay where you do this….. or provide quickybaby video where he does this (im using him, because i know he doesnt use anything like this)…… your mouth talks but you cannot prove it….. “skilled player can” my ass, nobody can do it so seemlessly

                • That’s easy.
                  Quickybaby does that a lot while playing the Centurion 7/1 with the 20pdr.

                  E.g. this one at about 3:22, two out of three shots are fired on the move in third person view and both score damage.
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn2Sb1mFvLw&t=3m35s

                  Also remember that the player uploaded this as an epic battle. *Of course* there are going to be lots of lucky shots in it that may have missed in other cases. If they had missed, then it wouldn’t have become an epic battle and thus not been uploaded.

          • Please may you post 1 replay, where you in 1 battle drive fastfiring light tank and circle to death at least 4 enemies WITHOUT using autoaim?
            I hope you will find one, as you told that it is almost like your own battle :)

            • I do use autoaim for that. What i was referring to is how the recticle jumps over the target while doing so, which looks just like it does in the video with the churchill at the house.

              However, the important part is that he aimed with the crosshair! All videos of aimbots that i have seen so far do take control of the recticle, just like normal autoaim does. They do *not* take control of the crosshair/camera!

              It’s somewhat unusual to aim manually from above, but nothing suspicious.

              Even warpack only advertises “smart modified autoaim”, which means that one still has to activate autoaim on the target. The player in the vid did no such thing. The recticle did not snap to weak points either but always followed the main crosshair.

              If there is any evidence of a brand new aimbot that takes control of the main crosshair and camera, i’d like to see it. Otherwise this whole video is nothing but begging the question, by presupposing that there is an aimbot that takes control of the camera in first instance.

            • Here you go for the replay:

              http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/344968-wie-ein-elc-ein-gefecht-entscheidet-replay-sammelthread/page__st__100__pid__9644808#entry9644808

              In the follow-up post a player even explicitly wonders how i score so many snapshots. The ELC is different in playstyle than a Chaffee, but the point is made, IMHO. I can look up many other replays in which i score lots of snapshots in third person view with my ELC. And keep in mind that the ELC has horrible accuracy on the move compared to a Chaffee, which even specializes at that!

        • Wow quickybaby such example. QB aims for like 1s more when he is already fully aimed. He barely snapshots. I think it’s just one of those wotreplays bugs. You should see it live to judge.

    • i would agree it’s autoaim, but you dont hear the sounds of it, and i believe you should still hear that in a replay. I must say if we have to exclude autoaim, it really looks like an aimbot. It would be really stupid though, since (most of) those shots would be easily doable with normal autoaim or even manual aim. risking any account for this would be completely retarded…

      On the other side, making a video about someone and shaming his name without actually being sure he’s cheating is really really bad conduct and i dont agree with that. right move would be to show it to someone at WG (assuming they actually give a shit, not so sure about that) and let them investigate and decide.

    • No, they don’t. As he rightfully points out, autoaim always aims dead center on the tank’s hull. The Chaffee, however, rarely does that at all in the replay, plus there are some very fishy third person aims going on, for example the turret shots in CQC, as well as one into the flank of Churchill VII. It’s tough as nails to do that from the displayed PoV (overhead), as the ingame aim assist normally snaps to trying to shoot the roof of either the turret or the hull from the given perspective (normally resulting in bounces for obvious reasons). Definite aimbot.

      • Madner Kami I agree with you, especially with ingame aim assist, its clear on the video. Moreover when he’s fighting with churchil he’s aiming at the roof of the building while his turret is rotating so his gun should have went up, but it doesn’t, it keep pointing at churchil (from about 9:10 with slowmotion). I would say it’s aimbot.

        • Around 9:10 the recticle always follows the crosshair, and in that very second he even shoots at the wall.

          He even aims at the angled turret in that situation, not at the machine gun weakspot of the front hull. If it’s an aimbot, why did it aim at the strongest part of the enemy tank in that situation?
          Don’t just look at those parts where he aims at weak spots, but also those where he aims at other places! With a weakspot aiming aimbot there should not be any such situations. Each of them is evidence that he does not use an aimbot.

          His gun may have gone up – there is no way to see that from that straight above position.

          And in the end, while finishing off the Churchill at 9:32 he even carefully manually aims at its rear. It’s certainly a bit unusual not to use sniper mode in that situation, but i don’t see anything there that someone with a bit of practice at aiming in third person view couldn’t have done.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPrv5VSr77Y#t=9m30s

          Seriously, this guy just likes to use third person view a bit more than most others. There even used to be rumours about “hitting better” in third person view on the forums and in teamspeak chat. That however doesn’t make him a cheater.

    • I know tank weakspots… this kind of thing really isn’t that hard if you keep your cool. But in situations where I can’t keep my cool I use the ingame autoaim.

      Regardless. I don’t see anything that looks like a cheat to me.

      I often jerk/move my aim around when searching for a shot…….

    • again he wasent useing auto aim the crew would say it that hes useing it. Thats a aim bot.

    • Right. Autoaim… except he’s not using it. So any automatic aiming would come from a bot. And since you say it looks like he’s autoaiming, you’re actually saying it looks like he’s aimbotting. Just clarifying here.

  2. One word how to simple recognize an aimbot: look how the cursor moves. Aimbot always change the weakspots by line, moving the cursor shortest possible way. Thats what player never do.

    • exactly…… if someone does not see it he is blind….. aim cursor twitches between weakspots and sticks….. its impossible not to see…… fucking pricks

  3. Actually , and ironically enough , yesterday an m6 hit my churchill III 2 times on EXACTLY the same spot while both of us were wiggling , i chucked sarcastlicaly in the chat : aimbot !

    • Actually , and ironically enough , only tomatoes haven’t realized that aimbots cant hack the server/change rng.

      • I guess you did not get the point at all. More correctly, you completely missed it. I recommend you to read the original aimbot article, this article, watch the video and repeat it few times before you make another comment ;)

        • Or you just missed my point? I recommend you to get your infos from some trustable source on this madder (nothing against SS, but on this aimbot topic he’s often posting bs or leaving the important facts aside (like the fact that no matter what aimbot you use, in wot it only aims for you (just like if you would point with your mouse there), but does not, I repeat NOT change your chance of hitting(like real aimbots in other games do)).

      • Tell me, oh retarted one, how is it a dead proof for an aimbot, if BOTH are wiggling and you then HIT THE SAME SPOT twice.

        If its a weak spot (mashine gun port etc) you aim for it. Luck granted, you hit there twice. And, with half a brain, you WAIT until you have a good shot on it, if nothing else presents itself.

        But its Woras. Always no help

      • Where is SS with his BAN Bat? Insults just for the sake of insults. Oh I would start donating money to SS if he bans you.

        I wonder if there is a price sheet.

  4. That’s just bullshit, look at his stats, he’s a good player and he had some RNG luck. In the game where RNG factor applies +-25% which means that a quarter of entire game is just a pure luck, weird things can and will happen.

    • @avalanche
      The same way you have 50% chance to win the lottery! You either win or not!

      Please, think before writing such crap…

    • I looked at his stats, he seems good to you? I guess that explains why for you this seems like bullshit. And you just said 25% of the game is luck so naturally it doesn’t surprise you the guy is getting lucky 100% of the time? Yup, perfect sense is being made here.

  5. hmm, looks clean to me. good use of exterior cam to place shots but this is what you need to to with mobile tanks. also cursor doesn’t stick to the target in a way i would expect it from an aimbot – looks like player mouse control to me.

    that video maker doesn’t really seem to understand how aiming works in the exterior cam and how comfortable it is since it doesn’t move around as much as the tank itself so – so its easier to keep pointing your mouse towards an enemy.

    • I agree. I can almost guarantee that an aimbot was not used here. When you go into a replay suspecting someone of something, it’s easy to pick out things that you think shouldn’t be possible.

      Looking at it, the guy just has decent aim and is paying attention to his surroundings. It’s not that hard. I’m not a great player, but I’ve no problem making shots like a lot of the ones he makes in this replay. I think people are too paranoid sometimes.

      Looking at some comments here, it appears many do not realize what happens when you enable the server reticle.

  7. He is using WarPack mods! Once I have played somebody have complained about somebody is using WarPack and everybody should report him. So I google it and I found this http://warpack.net/en/index .
    P.s I am not using this modes there is no download link and I really like Aslian mod pack!

  8. I think the most impressive part is dealing with the IS2 at the end, aiming for the LFP with an adequate lead, and after the IS2 did a sharp turn, he still gives perfect lead to the LFP………wow just wow

  9. Pure aimbot – nothing more to add. No player would aim this way, no one can stick the reticle to the target so fast – actually in the video it can be seen when the player moved the reticle and when the aimot took control. Easily distinguishable. Also the slow motions are evident.

  10. One reason why Xbox WoT is better in some regards; it’s completely a level playing field.

  11. Hey another thing actually, when he was circling that Churchill, his gun didn’t point up, which it does everytime when next to a building in the top view, only auto aim stops that, so seeing that and in game auto aim isn’t engaged, then it with no doubt a aim bot.

      • I have watched the video, and I am not convinced that he is using aimbot. In the shot on the PzIV that the maker of the video found suspicious there is a way to do this if you are an experienced player. You look where the enemy is behind the rock, aim your gun, and then right click the mouse to hold the gun down, then turn your tank to track the enemy as it passes the rock, and when it comes out, bam your on target and hit. As Killtech above me correctly says.

        With the snap shoots, his crew perks are not shown, nor whether he is running vents etc. Note that he uses a big fire extinguisher, which is the sign of someone who has done some reading about the cost effectiveness of various pieces of equipment.

        Also the Chaffee is interesting. (a) it has a very very short aim time at 1.9, and very good dispersion at 0.36, with a good crew that would be even better, so a Chaffee is one of the best snap shoot tanks in the game.

        Overall not a cheater on this evidence. Not saying he isn’t, just saying that nothing in this video proves he is cheating in that Chaffee.

        Also I have to say when I play light tanks and click on auto aim, most of the time I do not use sniper mode, but camera out, and then drive around straffing enemies.

        • you sir are a cheater as well your defending a cheater. when i aim at somthing i hold right click in my t49 but clearly hes not doing that right click stops the turrrt from movibg so thae curcle ant huge. That sir what that driverscdoing is cheating is aim botting, its easy to tell over the gun not arching and no auto aim engaged.

  13. Guys this is warpack. This cheat pack includes an aim bot.

    I play on the SEA server and unfortunately it is flooded with warpack cheat mods, as well as other cheat mods, bots (lots of them) and afk’ers farming xp and credits while making your game a misery. Some people are even bold enough to admit it in chat when accused – like one guy a while ago who told me to just deal with it. But then they have examples like SELA who streamed for months with warpack and only eventually got a short ban (now he is back) and even now admits to using “GREY” mods that he offers for download in his packs, including an auto aim mod that is sketchy.

    Unfortunately it is all too common to see people hitting 100 % shots while on the move, sniping, flanking and while circling etc etc etc You know they are using warpack aimbot when a platoon of three players plays a whole game and at the end all three have 100% accuracy after combined dozens of shots fired.

    Anyone who doesn’t think that the servers are flooded with cheaters of all types is naive.
    Seeing as there is no action against them it is rampant – really what do you expect? Imagine if the police and courts didnt inforce the law AT ALL – crime would be 10 times more rampant than it is now.

    Anyway what can be done? Nothing by the players.. I also think that the mod pack for arty aiming with the sniper scope is a cheat as well.. Cant believe that it is apparently legal – but then would it actually matter is it was “banned” – probably not as so many use actually banned mods right now.

    Thoughts?

    • You never used an aimbot or warpack.

      Warpack Aimbot /Vanga Aim is NOTHING ELSE than improved autoaim. You still have to right click on the target, and if you are higher than 800 WN8, those wont improve you much.

      I love how those cheats and bots are getting worse and worse (or better than in reality) by urban internet legend.

          • its not the fact that it helps you hit – it is the fact that it allows you to aim in to weak spots automatically without having to go in to scope mode – in the hands of a good player it is lethal – they can drive around zoomed out in 3rd person killing everything while moving at full speed and not having to scope in or aim at all. it is unstoppable on a batchat for example. and thats why it is a prob.. tier 10 med tanks zoomioong about at full speed penning you without having to aim or even try hard at all.
            auto locked to your tanks weak spots – there is no counter to this.

      • its not that it auto aims – its the fact that it automatically snaps to a weak spot for you all perfectly – so that you can drive around in 3rd person and dont have to use the scope at all… This is an obv cheat – if you cant see this you are either using it yourself, naive or trolling

        • sure that’s not autoaim, it’s aimbot, no doubt.
          but chaffe is very good at snap shot, so it u can easily hit em like the guy in vid.
          as Anna said: “Warpack Aimbot /Vanga Aim is NOTHING ELSE than improved autoaim”
          there is no mod makes u play better, or change RNG like “hitting 100 % shots while on the move, sniping, flanking and while circling etc etc etc”

          • the old chaffee can do shapshots.. the new chaffee cant. at 100% crew with old chaffee yes its point and shoot. but new chaffee with 100% crew the curcles big as texas!

          • What an ignorant viewpoint… and utterly bullshit. I play on the SEA server and so do you so you should know that’s totally not true. I’ll happily provide replays which are 10 times worse then the one in the OP. stuff like T43′s running stock high dpm low pen guns penning and ammo racking tier 9 heavy tanks + module damage. M41′s clipping out maus’s. Aimbots exist, to say that they don’t make a shit player better is just blind ignorance.

            For example a good medium/ light tank players fire around 30 shots a game. A good(blue/purple) honest player get about 20-25 hits with pen from those 30 shots. Then there’s the aim bot, who for some “unkown reason” magically starts padding there tank stats. Why because the 800 wn8 player seems to be able to pen 28-30 of those 30 shots he took in a game. Yes hes penning everything doesnt make them a better player. But if hes using an aimbot and getting away with it. Do you really think hes going to stop there. Thus WARPACK. where it tell you where the enemy are, if your spotted, automatically locks onto you weak spots. Doesnt even really matter if they are pointing the other direction you get hit anyway.

            I’ve said it before it not hard to spot an aimbot/ cheater. there are many ways to figure out if they are doing it or not. At the end of the day its WG’s ignorant stance thats going to be there downfall. Why do you think everyone abandoned FPS games like COD/ BF. Because the hacking was out of control. WOT is heading down that path, people who cant play well need their kicks and hacking is the way they do it. Unskilled idiots running around spam clicking because they cant figure out how to actually play. And then there are those who do know what they are doing, going around farming the server population for kicks. eg the Vietnamese player base.

    • Thoughts?

      I don’t really care. Most of warpack/aimbot users are still piss-poor players, so I don’t see how they’re any threat to a decent-good player.

      • You missed the point. There are whole clans of very good players and or unicums using these weak spot auto aim mods so they can fire on the move zoomed out in 3rd person while locked to your weak spots on your tank. This is cheating. In the hands of very good players it makes them unbeatable. They have an unfair advantage over you or me who aren’t using it.

        • show me your replays pls, as i said, nothing can change RNG.
          if a mod can make all your shots hit, auto pen, or anything u can image, it must change game client, impossible.
          Think a little before accuse someone pls! :LMAO:

          • When I get home I’ll upload a replay. Its the most hilarious thing you’ve ever seen. The player is AlbertWei from SEA server. He drives a t43 russian t7 med with the stock 26 rpm gun. Me and my platoon mate crest the hill on himmils in a t9 m103 and cent 7/1. He fires at us and no shit this was the hit log.
            He shots at 7/1 first, ammo rack, tracks and engine, driver, ammo rack again. Then me in the m103 first shot ammo rack, second shot driver, 3rd shot tracks, 4th shot engine. Hes so pre occupied that he drives into a rumble pile and still pens me.
            The best part. I have something like 200+ frontal armor on turret and hull. that stock gun 120mm pen avg…. Work that out. RNG is negated because it just locks straight onto the weakest part of the armor. Post game battle results 35 shots 32 hits 30 pens for a very average 800 wn8 player. Aim boter and hack can deny and hide it all they want. Its retards like this that will get you all banned, because in society we bow to the lowest retard.

            • my M103′s frontal was penetrated by T21 regular shells, hack?? no, use tank inspector to learn more, dont trust those numbers, your LFP armor is very weak. He might use weak spot skin and aimbot, and RNG did the rest; or he played well and RNG blessed him. Every time your lose, blame yourself first, foch wn8 then, or at least look at recent wn8!
              “eg the Vietnamese player base.” ur racist??
              then try to find out sth like warpack in my replays, as a Vietnamese player, VPA’s member
              http://wotreplays.com/uploader/congson1707/id/358045

  14. Is it weird that I was more disturbed by the guys mods? I mean how many advantages do you need to be a good player?

    The guy was weird though I don’t know 100% if it is or is not an aimbot.

    • Some moments could be proofs, but we cannot be 100% sure. That’s why this cheat is a problem…

      • Indeed but as I said, I was more disturbed by the person watching the replay. He uses so damn many mods that give him small advantages all over the place. I think they should be limited too.

  15. The thing which really is appalling though is how many people are too effin blind to see such obvious cheats. Apparently obvious cheats are not obvious enough. “RNG luck”, “autoaim”, “I can make these shots”, “WOT is stronk there are no cheats because reasons”.. Give me a break.

  16. I was a bit skeptical at first, the snapshots he took weren’t that magnificent and not that hard to pull off but the way he handled the Churchills and the IS-2 show quite clearly how the reticle followed a single point on the tank (which a human never does). And PUNISHER989 above me has a good point about the building.

    On the other hand, I find a bit amusing hearing the video maker complain about aimbots and other cheats, when he’s using a mod that shows enemy reload time, armor thickness and white wrecks and a whole load of others stuff that a normal player will have no information off. To me it looks like the pan insulting the pot.

      • Reload mod is an advantage. But you have to think to use it.

        Aimbot is a cheat: no effort needed it does the job for you. There is a difference.

        • you still have to click on it (right click) to stick the aimbot to your target. You still have to react and chose your target – or he is using a REALLY advanced version, and no. Warpack is not THAT advanced

          • Well anyway, WG doesnt have a list of forbidden mods, and when we ask them in support: “no list”.

            So technicaly it’s legal

      • They are, but just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. There are several laws that allow a company or a person to avoid taxes perfectly legally but doing so doesn’t make them any less of a douchebag.

        The definition for a cheat is that it gives you an advantage. The problem is that you can’t really measure advantage. Which mods are deemed to give you too much of an advantage (and thus are forbidden) is a completely arbitrary decision, most probably made by a small group WG employees (and we know how consistent they are in their decisions).

        I like that Wargaming has kept World of Tanks open to modding but this is a competitive multiplayer game, not Minecraft. How can you expect to have an honest and a fair game (especially in clan wars and tournaments) when you don’t know what sort of mods the guy on the enemy team is using? Sure, mods don’t make a tomato an unicum just like a brand new pair of sneakers doesn’t make a fatty into an athlete, but when shit gets serious, those small advantages start to pile up.

        And don’t give me that “everyone can download a mod” -crap. It’s the internet, I can download anything I want.

  17. I think a lot depends on your definition of an aimbot. It looks to me like he’s using a mod called Autoaim, that will autoaim at the closest tank to your cursor when you right-click. This lets you lock on easier while moving (since the actual mouseover of the target is automated), and also enables easy target switching at close range.

    So yeah, I don’t think it’s an “aimbot” in the sense that it will take over your aiming entirely, but it does look like he’s managed to automate the lock-on process for the game’s built-in autoaim.

  18. White skin wrecks, and you’re accusing the chaffee player? nice.

    Just a small point, but if you’re going to suggest that a player is somehow cheating but you don’t have conclusive proof, don’t post a video in which the uploader flat-out calls “cheat”.

    Nothing is this replay is spectacular – Destronov also tells us that he’s been “watching” this player for quite some time, and the only footage that can be brought up is a single good game? REALLY? 1 GOD DAMN GAME IS ALL YOU HAVE?

    This is a perfect example of the toxicity of the community – guy has a couple of good games and is instantly a cheater – reasons; XVM tells me he’s bad.

    This community you have on FTR is quickly turning into the typical/toxical personal army.

    • pretty sure even EU who rarely make note of mods, listed that as a banned mod too.

  21. Wow, some people are jealous of others competency. Just because some random fool cannot understand the tricks you can use if you have terrain knowledge and fingers, doesn’t mean he is using aim-bot.

    • omfg…. what is the trick when your aim skips through weakspots and follow them perfectly without moving cursor one bit…. you need glasses bro

  22. i have submitted a ticket to WG for suspicious aimbot usage.
    link is here, watch if u want.
    http://wotreplays.eu/site/1438468?secret=822672be226d812fa8c7e159445e227b

    this is the player who made that “skillful” shots.
    http://www.noobmeter.com/player/eu/lofasko_sk/509460137/

    this is what i wrote for ticket and why i am suspicious:
    at himmelsdorf with my jg e 100, i was shot by enemy jg e 100 2 times in a row from my cuppola. everything seems ok about this, but when you watch the replay you can see how fast he is aiming even if i was not stable, i turn my hull and he shoots and hits 2 times in a row from my cuppola, it’s nearly impossible to make that, i have 22k battles and i’m pretty sure about it. after me he shots t34 from his cuppola when he was on the move and that’s another suspicious shot. and right after battle he is suddenly being offline and i can’t chat with him.

    pls do not tell me to use ingame report thing, there is no title about cheating in it.

    this is the answer:
    Hello Commander,

    and yes WG thinks it is impossible to use cheats in this game.

    I understand your situation completely and will be more than happy to help. It is not possible to cheat in the game as all of the algorithms, mechanics and mechanics are sent directly to and from our servers. We appreciate your efforts to help maintain a good in-game environment.

    We wish you all the best in your future battles.

    Kind Regards,

    • “and yes WG thinks it is impossible to use cheats in this game. ” part is not in the answer, i was going to write it to the end, so it’s not a part of answer.

      • Reply to them “if your algorithm are so good, tell me why is there a “report bot” button in game ?”.

        WG are the perfect exemple of lazy devs:
        “Bots and cheats ? Nah, we’ll just deny it so we wont have to find a solution before it becomes too massive”.

    • The answer of the support is just a macro and doesnt fit for this reported case. You don’t talk about cheating in a way that you alter data (stats of a gun/vehicle) or a tool that tells you all positions of enemies even when they are not spotted, but you talk about an aim bot that works with the data your client have.

      But honestly. Do you really expect a real and sensefull answer of guys what ar bombed with support tickets, who just shot out macros and dont even read your text carefully?

      • actually i had some satisfying responses before. at least some of them watched the replays i send, and then made some explanations.

    • Haha that’s the typical response from WG isn’t it…
      I hope they realise its only getting worse. I mean if someone else is getting away with it why should “I” try it, thought process starts creeping into people heads.
      Thats why armor plays pretty much has zero influence in this game now-days.
      I can only imagine the day someone comes out with an auto ricochet mode… the horror.

  23. Only one word: bullshit those shots weren’t impossible at all, not even that hard, if you don’t suck you can pull them off easily, typical WoT overreaction

  24. To be honest I didn’t find his shots that unusual or utterly impressive. And the aim didn’t snap to weakspots a lot of times. The middle of the tracks at the sides is by no means a weakspot when you have a clear sight on the track wheels. And shooting an IS-2 into the LFP when it is driving towards you? Has to be an aimbot! Burn him! Noone would shoot at the LFP when an IS-2 drives towards you!
    Seriously? -.-

    I have done ridiculous stuff myself already. Ammoracking someone far away while being airborne? RNG. I laugh at it and move on.

    Did he use a mod which is affecting his aim? I don’t know. Is it possible to pull off what was shown in the video without using any mods? Yes of course. If you are not a tomato this would be pretty much possible.

    And like some others, I find it rather disturbing how many mods Destronov is using. Seeing in 3D radar where an enemy was spotted just like a white damage indicator, that ridiculous reticle, ugly white destroyed tanks, all the info about the enemy tank you are aiming at including reload time, penetration etc. Is all that stuff actually allowed?

    I do have to admit though that I use a mod myself. And that’s XVM directly from their site with my own config which makes it look almost like vanilla WoT except for the battle screen (stats) and the minimap, because I consider it a disadvantage not using the XVM minimap because probably 80%+ are using XVM, so I want to know where which tank is (and not just which class, I want to know the specific tank) + last known locations… Yeah. With 9.5 that’s in vanilla now as well though.

    • Autoaim aims at center of the tank. From front = no chances to pen unless you have penetrating gun.

      Aimbot aims at weakspot.

  26. To me that looked a lot like an aimbot. Curser movement is simply to fast for any human. he compensates for tank bouncing up and down while driven in rough terrain within 1/1000 of second. With 30000 battles I still dont have that skill or reaction time to compensate for movement while aiming. He is a fucking cheat. The fact that he uses auto aim when he engages the ARTY and turns it of again simply just confirms to me that he is only that good because he is cheating.

    Very sad to hear that this kind of cheating is almost without any serious punishment. It almost encourage me to find and use an aim bot. That’s very sad indeed.

    I have added the fool to my “friendlist”. Every time he is online I will drop him a line or to until he blocks me. Something like “Welcome cheater. Remember to turn on your aimbot”.

    I have of course also noticed that he is not the only one. I have been taken damage due to enemy fire. Shots that I know is almost impossible to make due to aim time and distance.

    • That’s a feature which you can activate in the game settings, called “horizontal stabilization”

      It does just what you describe, reducing the effect of bumps on the terrain on the recticle.

    • And this completely expected and easily predictable reaction from half of the toxic community on FTR is the exact reason why SS should have thought ahead and NOT made this post when there is -no- proof against the guy of foul play.

  27. 2:55 of this video made me want to puke. The narrator explains the ten seconds of inactivity at the start of the game with “fine-tuning settings of the aimbot”. As if the player had just installed the suspected aim-bot just before that very match.

    Seriously, WTF? he either was still getting a drink or watched to see how the game develops before deciding to commit to a flank.

    The maker of the video, based on this, isn’t interested in a fair judgement. He is only looking for things that he can somehow twist and turn to support his already preconceived decision that this has to be an aimbot.

  28. The maker of this videos is really trying hard to prove anything and grasping for every little bit of straw. He struggles hard to not hide his confirmation bias. If you watch players like embryonic journey they are making those shots fairly regularly.

    Even though he may have not good enough stats in xvm, it means nothing when he has 14k battles as xvm only shows the overall and not the recent. So he can be a lot more skilled than the “numbers” make you believe. Also there is more to being a skilled “unicum” player than just hit your target. Map awareness, choosing good locations translate to a lot higher impact on your stats than purely being able to hit target is.

    For me nothing looked out of the ordinary. At the end he rather turned auto-aim of, probably because of his low ammo count and the inability of the auto-aim hitting a moving target. It’s easier to pre-aim manually.

    Another thing to keep in mind is that the replay is NOT an exact replication of all the movements. Only a small number of data points are stored in the replay file, hence are approximated when watching the replay. So fast movements are rather choppy in the replay compared to live.

    This guy also should get his knowledge about tanks sort out e.g. what is front/back. asdfbrom was bouncing at the front but penning the back of churchill. Makes him really qualified to judge other players if they are using an aimbot. :P

    This whole thing is just the Morgotz aimbot story all over again, which was also a bullshit assumption. When will terrible players stop sperging bullshit.

    It’s really sad to see another witch-hunt on this blog. Should be renamed to fth – for the hunting.

    • You really need to get out more. This is an aimbot. Why? Look at the way the aim remains dead center on a chosen spot during movement. You cannot do that. Right in the beginning of the replay is all the proof you need.

  29. The answer of the support is just a macro and doesnt fit for this reported case. You don’t talk about cheating in a way that you alter data, stats of a gun or vehicle or know all the positions of enemies, but you talk about an aim bot that works with the data your client have.

    But honestly. Do you really expect a real and sensefull answer of guys what ar bombed with support tickets, who just shot out macros and dont even read your text carefully?

  30. 10 minutes of watching and I found nothing special in this video. He makes quick snap shots because Chaffee has very good aiming time. And with it’s fast reload time he don’t wait for full focus of the aiming circle. I will do exactly the same. Why ? It take the same time to snap shot, reload, and shot again with full focus comparing to waiting till full focus and shot. So you have the first shot for free.

  31. *Also let’s not forget this:*
    It’s a review of a hand chosen battle uploaded by the player as an epic battle. *Of course* there are going to be lots of cases of luck in it, in which everything went just perfectly. If it hadn’t, then it wouldn’t have been such an epic battle and worthy for uploading in first instance!

    My own epic battles looks like this as well, with lots of snapshots landing perfectly on target and my ELC AMX eating BL-10 shots with its tracks. That doesn’t however mean that all my snap shots land on target and that i can routinely take ISU shots to the face. It just means that in some battles i have a ton of luck and they turn out to be awesome battles, worthy of uploading.
    If the video creator were to review those battles, then he’d find them fishy as well.

  32. Aimbot, for sure. Still, the enemy team failed hard. If not for the amazing lack of common sense and basic skill, he would not have had much use for his aimbot. So even though this is a dead obvious case of blatant cheating, the question still stands: does it really help?

    • Without it I doubt he would have killed the churchill so easily.

      Depends of the case. this battle: no. Against higher tiers: yes.

  33. there is a secret that only unicum players know, which lets them do these snapshots at this “huuuge” speed.
    Now, I’m going to tell you this secret: You should hold your mouse in your dominant hand, so you can control the movement of your aim circle much finer

  34. So I read all the comments and the one thing that NO ONE pointed it out is when he circling the Church around that building what does his gun NOT do? Elevate. The few times when its best to use auto aim is this situation because it prevents your gun from elevating when you come around corners. The guy was using auto aim

  35. I dont even need to watch this whole thing.

    1. First 10 seconds. Half the good scouts out there wont rush off ahead, if your a passive scout perhaps but decent scouts who realise spots really arent worth crap xp wise will wait to see whats going on, and allow the enemy time to pan out.

    2. That “snapping motion” on the ARL, Normal speed and slow motion you can see the camera move before the reticle, since this uploader says its in player cam mode, I dunno, perhaps it could be that the PLAYER moved his aim to the spot then the reticle caught the hell up?

    3. The churchill was just a case of regular old autoaim, if You cant see that, you dont play enough mobile tanks where a situation like that would occur

    4. The Cap defence…. only 2 of four shots actually did damage, whats so amazing, The shots that hit were both near point blank range, even an amx12 t, which has terrible aim on the move would have hit those shots.

    Im not going to watch any further than that. He’s a decent player, nothing else to say about the replay. As for the uploader, bad form old chap. Accosting and Accusing someone of wrong doings without any proof, making up bullcrap because you apparently have no experience driving such tanks is slander, and is low. Doing it in such a public manner is vile.

    SS, I have been a reader here for over a year… This is the first post I actually abhor. Shame on the uploader for doing what he has done, shame on you for propagating it here.

    • “3. The churchill was just a case of regular old autoaim, if You cant see that, you dont play enough mobile tanks where a situation like that would occur”

      If he were using plain old autoaim there, then the game would announce it. It doesn’t, however hence he is not using the built-in autaim feature there, albeit the gun’s and the aiming behaviour suggest that some sort of aiming assist is going on. Imo, this is the most damning/clear moment in the game.

      • you know what, after watching that specific section a few times, Im not even sure if its autoaim behavior let alone aimbot. there are points the reticle is behind where autoaim would put it during the flank around the house, the actual shots from the sides of the house are clear manual aims too. I cannot see enough in this video to call aimbot, I cannot see enough to warrant the accusation, let alone this pointless video and equally pointless news post

        • Madner Kami was telling you that the suspect was NOT using the built-in AUTOAIM. If the suspect was using it in this situation, it would have been announced by one of the ‘crewman’ as “TARGET ACQUIRED!”, which only ever happens at 21:58 of the video.

          • Yes, I know what Madner was telling me. And I went back and re-watched that part a further three times just to be sure of what I saw. At which point I ammended my stance on that point and come to reason that there is a high chance that -was- MANUAL aiming, not an Autoaim, or an aimbot.

  36. Guy is using default server reticle and that’s what’s causing the twitchy crosshair movement which then makes the reticle seem to lag behind…and those shots at the start is what any better player is using and can make w/o any effort….watch EJ’s stream to see snapshots like that all the time. Guy that made a video is clueless and he’s accusing w/o any proof.

    • Just an above average player having a good game. No wonder that the tomatoes are upset…

  39. Well… i dont think its an aimbot… than i would be using an aimbot myself cause i hit this kind of shells myself… which i know by now i am not…

    well ok, a few strange things… but some shoots are possible quite easy

  41. I had a guy with 1k battles and 298 wn8 in his black prince snapshot my black prince’s cupola from 200 meters while I was moving and wiggling 12 times in a row. I kept thinking that he’d eventually miss but nerp. This was with me sidecraping and him constantly moving.

  42. I’m leaning more towards that he’s toggling a bot throughout the match.

    At 4:56, the shot is fairly strange. He doesn’t even go into sniper mode while backing up (or for most of the battle for that matter) to completely verify that his reticle has cleared the terrain. The reaction time is faster than anything I’ve ever seen in this game, especially in the
    overhead POV. This isn’t like he’s brawling in close quarters where shots like that can be easily done. If he is using a bot, it’s sophisticated enough to know when the reticle has cleared terrain and can fire immediately as soon as it does.

    At 7:45, anyone can circle a static Churchill VII. Not suspicious to me.

    At 12:54, his reticle snaps on to Churchill I after rounding the corner. Very suspicious.

    At 18:52, again, his reticle snaps on to the KV-1 unnaturally. Very suspicious.

    At 22:04, again, his reticle snaps on to the AMX 13 F3 on the first penetrating shot. Somewhat suspicious as the snap is brief and not as damning.

    The snapping motion looks like a lerp in object oriented programming (linear interpolation). Essentially, a lerp can be used to take an initial position (like the reticle’s current position on the screen) and will smoothly move it to a second end position (placed on an enemy tank) using time and a factor. The factor would determine how quickly the movement happens and is adjustable.

    If you want to see lerping in action, check out what kind of motion you can get in Unity 3D:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD-mXwSCvWc

    • @4:56 – So because a player is comfortable enough in his tank to not need to verify every shot with sniper view… he’s gotta be using a bot? Medium and Light drivers use sniper mode less and less because with those tanks, your mobility is your armor, Seeing where you are going is a damn sight more important than seeing where your shot is going to go. Over time of playing this way it gets easier to understand how aiming works with third person.

      as for all the snapping motions. the amount of times that camera moved and then the reticle caught up is insane. It looks like server-side reticle behaviour for the most part, and considering the insane amount of mods the uploader is using, it wouldn’t surprise me if the reticle is purely server-side. I think if this replay was watched in vanilla unmodded clients that snapping behaviour would vanish

  43. I wonder what a post like this will do…

    1) Some people will get an aimbot now, as they are informed that it helps them achieve better results and the probability of punishment is pretty low
    2) Some people who where already whining about aimbots every time they get a shot into their unmoving T-34 commander’s cupola will do so even more
    3) People who didn’t think about enemy using aimbots will do so now, lowering their fun and game experience

    Will anything good come out of it? II do not think so… The article was very informative, but i would have rather liked it hidden in the author’s cupboard… Not that it revealed anything secret. but it made the knowledge available for the broad whining and potentially cheating masses…

  46. Look at all the shitlords. I bet they never even enabled the default server reticle or don’t know even what it means, but they are first to accuse someone of being cheater. Same thing happened to Morgotz and in the end he was proven innocent eventhough every shitlord here was spluring OMG AIMBOT HACKER bullshit. Just because your aiming sucks, doesn’t mean anyone who can actually hold his crosshair on his target and has good reflexes is a cheater. Goddamn asshats.

  47. yeah right, the guy analyzing the video is using the forbidden and banned deadwhitetank mod… im amazed

  48. LoL. That’s not autoaim. Whenever you use autoaim, you will hear the voice that says “target acquired” or “ready to fire”. You hear that even when you’re watching replays…

  49. Why all make such a fuss about this aim bot…… so many players use this that it is already funny…..go check clan Guerillas on NA. They all use this….. http://www.twitch.tv/team/guerillas

    Even ZEVEN_NA who I had a feeling is a cool guy with a lot of skill and I and spotted that he is using his ainbot on twich while on live stream….. just be alert when he is fully zoomed out how he snipes weak spots and his reticle is looking for a better spot on a tank….. he only uses it when zoomed out so it is hard to spot but if you guys keep a close eye you can spot how he has his aim bot turned on at all times …….

  50. Misses several shots from 5m to 10m with tank with very accurate gun when on the move = aimbot confirmed.