57 thoughts on “8.6 Camo and Spotting”

1. So E-25 got one of the best camo values in the game.

   • umg but teh tnk sux itz rusin baiz lolol cod ftw

     • Troll level: amateur.

     • FAIL

   • There are no numbers for Renault UE 57, and that used to be the most stealthy one before. I would guess that it may still be the most stealthy one as it’s really tiny.

     • True. No Renault UE57 tested, no Hetzer tested, no Lorraine 39L AM and many more. So this is not confirmed that E-25 has best camo values, however nice score.

     • Maybe they couldnt find it?

     • Put your vacuum cleaner in a field and look how far you can see it for similar values

   • It has better camo rating than the ELC AMX, wasn’t the ELC AMX smaller…?

     • Those two are almost the same sizes iirc.
       E-25 is a TD, so he get little extra camo, maybe that’s why it has better camo value.

2. Wtf look at E3 and E4 values o.O

3. Wow, I wonder how long it took them to get all that data. The shooting range must have been very annoying to pinpoint.
   How do we calculate the effect of camo skill and camo net?

   • Short answer: No.

     Long answer: Yes… But it is still no and here’s why…

     Yes: With the older 8.5 formula for camo plus allowing for the changes made to bushes.

     No: But it is more or less butt hurt complicated since you need the raw camo values for the tanks themselves to and that requires tome to figure out since it is not officially published data. And what is available is not always kept up-to-date with the patches because regardless of what the patch notes say there is always more that is being tweaked and edited behind the scenes. Only the devs or some people with absolutely nothing better to do have the calculated camo figures needed to run the numbers in a reliable fashion. Plus the camo net does not function the same as it did previously. It is no longer a RAW 25% off the top.

4. Now have them do the tests with 15m bush, BIA, net, 100% perk, paint, and vents please :)

   • Why don’t you take care of that yourself? Shit takes time and effort.

5. It must have been hard work for those fellas. Nice one.

6. E-25 wins the camo war with 311, but they haven’t done the tier 3 french yet and that thing is tiny

   I’d love to also see the spotting distance of vehicles with camo net + paintjob + full camo skill; and also the spotting distance of vehicles behind bushes.

7. The information on the M60 is 309 standing, 317 moving, 319 firing. This was confirmed during the early release.

   • 319 firing? ;) or 391?

     • lol, sounds bogus as it would then be the best scout tank in the game

8. I find the small differences between Tier X medium tanks to be interesting.

   Greatest difference between Tier X medium tanks: standing is 30 meters, moving is 24 meters, and firing is 5 meters.

9. oh.
   look at the e-25 stats.

   the ninjaest tank ever. O_o

10. I’d really like to know what camo bonus the camo net gives to the different classes in numbers…

    • So would I but I have not delved into the creating the numbers myself. I think I could do it but it would be a lot of work. But I think it could be done quickly if you had several people all in a training room each controlling a tank. Some with and some without a net in order to run several tests at once.

    • Well, I know the camovalues of camonet/-skin at least for td’s:
      camonet~55meters later spotting
      camoskin~15meters
      These values come experiments on liveserver with jagdpz4 and jagdpz e100 and were found in the eu-forum.

      No data found for the other tank classes.

11. *stands up*
    *sees rude jesters at stares*
    What? I stalked back in the 1860′s like a boss.
    *coughing and more rude jesters*
    *Sits down slowly and nervously*
    Mutters to self… about being first…

    • How’s that fedora treating you

12. Thanks for all the hard work gents just made my next purchase even easier thx to you guys! Well Done!

    TcM

13. JP-E camo = E-100 camo
    IS-8 camo =/= 268 camo
    Same chassis, same sizes.

    • 268 is actually lower.

      • but its russian so your rules do not apply

        • yes it does, smaller, lower = better camo
          268 is lower than is-8 ergo better camo

          easy

14. Shows that AwfulPanther is indeed awful: high tier mediums are more stealthy (and have better viewrange, too). Yea WG, you made a scout that cannot scout…

    • Dont like it? Dont drive it…

    • What part of “Panther” did you miss? Thing’s bigger than my house, unlike the rather better thought-out postwar thingys.

      And yeah, there’s a *reason* the military wanted no part of the thing.

15. Fail. ALWAYS perform such tests with max viewrange (optics or binos).

    • Because it would show that nearly every tank is spotted at full view range while firing.

    • FAIL ANSWER! For compare camo values it makes no difference, wether the spotting tank has 400m viewrange or 425,32m. Actually, you can even better compare it with your own tanks, because many tanks in game have around 400m viewrange!

16. Mr. “Silentstalker” won’t be visiting us again. At least not from that IP.

17. SerB go home now! быстро!
    You глупый сука!

    • Damn you SS! I wanted to reply to that troll too >.>
      Too bad i cant delete comments. Gotta make account soon

18. Though it was enough to weed out a dickhead among readers … Don’t like it, don’t read it.

19. why E-75 can be detected as easy as E-100?? da fq??? E-75 is alot smaller.

    • it looks better to me… or is 385>389????

20. Hetzer has one of best camo factors as well, coreponding with its short view range

    • As does SU-85B, corresponding with its great viewrange … or something.

      • Open top. Duh.

21. This is why they will never publish the camo values for tanks because all the years of people moaning about pro-Russian bias will be proven true. Camo value is so important in this game and all the tanks with the best values in their class are Russian. The German tanks, especially lights and meds are particularly bad. The value for aufk. Panther is quite franky disgraceful – no wonder this is one of the worst performing tanks ever introduced.

    • Yes, and russians have always the best viewrange and germans always the worst.

      russianbias russianbias russianbias forevereverandever and you are a small german child that never played russian bias tanks

      • “M-mein Deutsche Stahl…”

        • M-mein deutscher Stahl
          /fixed

    • The Soviets liked to build very compact tanks. Ze Germanz for some bizarre reason liked to build *large* tanks with the transmission run right across the hull.
      Bigger tanks are easier to see.
      *Obviously*.

      Case closed.

22. USA HT 9 M103 383 391 396
    USA HT 10 T110E5 384 391 396

    Why is it that the E5 get spotted earlier even with half the turret size of M103? I would thought the E5 were more stealthier.

23. Pingback: Kamuflaż, wykrywanie – praktyczne testy odległości

24. Asking questions are actually nice thing if you
    are not understanding anything entirely, however this post gives pleasant understanding
    yet.

25. I really like your blog.. very nice colors & theme. Did
    you design this website yourself or did you hire someone to do it for
    you? Plz reply as I’m looking to create my own blog and would like to find out where u got this from.
    thanks a lot

26. Hi, Ido think this is a great weeb site.I stumbedupon it ;) I will ckme back yet again since i have saved as a favorite it.

    Money and freedom is the best way to change, may youu bee rich
    and continue to help others.

    Stop by my webpage; local seo specialist (Renato)