11.9.2013

- Storm confirms: KwK = tank gun, PaK = anti-tank gun (SS: a lot of people are confused by this designation. While in real life there were often some changes on both guns (for example re-worked breech to fit it on some platform), essentially both versions are roughly equal. In other words: designating a gun PaK and not KwK in the game doesn’t grant it any special properties)
- it’s highly possible that the rating formula will be reworked, based on feedback
- T-34-3 ingame performance evaluation will take “no less than a month” – a couple of weeks for players to get used to it and a couple of weeks to collect the data (SS: after that it is possible it will be buffed/nerfed)
- the personal rating now takes into account only average damage per battle regardless of tier (SS: this is not to promote sealclubbing)


- when making the new rating, devs didn’t just copy “efficiency rating” or other mod-based ratings, because “it’s bad for many people”
- Q: “Do you believe that a noob with 20k battles should have better rating than a unicum with 5k?” A:”We don’t. If you have questions about beliefs, go to a church.”
- LT average lifespan in battle won’t be taken into rating account
- Storm states that exact changes in armor of some tanks will officially not be disclosed
- Q: “New reworked maps in 8.8 are really nice to play, will other maps be reworked too, based on the same principles that were used in making of these?” A: “It’s possible”
- Storm confirms that the auto-ban mechanism (SS: see earlier post about the “bug”) was reworked, it was not in the patchnotes because Storm forgot to add it there
- according to Storm, the best skill indicators for a players are winrate and average XP per battle.
- Q: “How about making the XP multiplier for top 3 places in battle result permanent?” A: “There is a separate thread for suggestions. Go whine there.”
- there seems to be a bug with the chat where either text disappears or is wrongly formatted, Storm will investigate
- the 8 degrees nominal depression for E-50M 105mm gun Ausf.K applies only when the gun is aiming to the sides of the vehicle, not front
- according to Storm, MM is working fine now
- it is still being discussed whether there will be some high tier “connections” (SS: how is it called in WoT?) from existing German branches to the new TD branch
- there will be no special coefficient for arty in the new player rating
- Storm confirms that in the future, changed golden shells will be bought back only for credits for their purchase price (SS: in other words: do NOT hoard golden shells and if you do, don’t buy them for gold)

92 thoughts on “11.9.2013

  1. -.-

    German meds were AFAIK designed from the ground up to have 8 deg depression- if WG’s model has some optics/hatches/lights/etc blocking the gun at the front, they should not restrict the depression, they should just *move the random clutter*, ffs.

    • The blocky hull protrusion on the E-50 preventing the gun from depressing to -8 degrees magically shrinks to half its size on the E-75, despite that both tanks were supposed to use exactly the same hull except with more wheels and thicker armor in the E-75′s case.

      Or maybe they’ll just nerf the E-75′s gun depression to -6 degrees as well in 8.9. Who knows.

  2. - the 8 degrees nominal depression for E-50M 105mm gun Ausf.K applies only when the gun is aiming to the sides of the vehicle, not front

    wait, so the depression upfront is still just -7?

    • It’s always been -6.

      But back in 8.4 (?) test 1, the depression of the E-50 and E-50M was nerfed to 0 and 2 degrees, respectively, because the old turret/mantlet design caused clipping even without the recent depression buff.

        • That’s what it says when checking the gun depression in tank viewer.

          They also nerfed the E-75′s gun depression when aiming directly ahead so the barrel doesn’t clip into the headlight. Awesome, isn’t it?

          • That E75 case really is nice..
            “SIR, WE CAN’T SHOOT ENEMY, OUR 10g HEADLIGHT PREVENTS MOVING OUR 3 TON GUN DOWN!!!”
            Because WG is god when it comes to tanks, they know, we speculate.

            • >implying facist box tank designers would have been smart enough to move the headlight
              Bro, do you even soviet bias?

              Also, have you ever wondered why Doyle quit working with them after a month or two?

      • “They *nerfed* the E-50′s depression?”

        They’re douchebags, what do you expect.

        Don’t play grey tanks, problem solved.

  3. - the 8 degrees nominal depression for E-50M 105mm gun Ausf.K applies only when the gun is aiming to the sides of the vehicle, not front
    How about you fucking lower that lamp if it blocks gun depression. Do they really think that german engineers would be that stupid.

    • If the lamp was the problem (at 6 degrees it clips) then you would be seeing 0 and 2 degrees of gun depression. If it could lower 8 at the front, it would clip through the hull.

      Besides, the tank gained 2 degrees of depression on it’s sides, not lost 2 from the front.

      • If it clips the hull as well, they should just make the turret a tad taller and mount the gun higher.

        And yes, the E-50 and E-50M both deserve -8 frontal depression IMO.

      • Yeah, but that requires you to turn your tank sideways, and the only place it really has any protection worth speaking of is the front. Pretty much the only advantages the tank has are accuracy and trollish frontal armor, and of course WG decides to nerf the latter, naturally.

        • I think based on these decisions that traverse on the Leo1 should be limited to 15deg from dead center on account of the two wide rear view mirrors place on the front fenders.

  4. Translating KwK and PaK is so hard :p

    KwK = Kampfwagenkanone = Tank gun.
    PaK = Panzerabwehrkanone = Anti-Tank gun.

    • Q&A is meant for game-play/development questions, whereas, suggesting that something should be added, is blatantly a suggestion. Now, the asker could have worded it differently and made it a question, then maybe it wouldn’t seem so bitchy.

      • No, they’d still say “Stop Begging!” or “How Terrible…”, or my personal favorite, “Conspiracy!!!”

  5. 8.8 isn’t even out on ASIA server yet, but WG fucked up and put the 112 and T-34-3 in the Gift Shop early. People have already bought the tank (you can still play it without the 8.8 patch). WG has since removed the tank from the gift shop, but people are still playing it on the server.

    Apparently the 112 on the ASIA server is currently OP as fuck as well. It has the version 8.7 supertester only stats, instead of the post-nerf 8.8 stats, since the 8.8 patch isn’t out yet. Higher pen, all that stuff.

    http://forum.worldoftanks.asia/index.php?/topic/25228-get-your-112s-while-they-are-hot-d/

    • Anyone who’s got a high WGR but a low win rate or efficiency will like it. It’ll tell them exactly what they want to hear.

      Be prepared for hordes of window lickers saying ‘I’ve got a high wargaming rating, that means I’m doing everything right’ as they hide behind arty in a heavy.

    • As good as any other really. At the end of the day, the only sure way to know is to sit down, talk with the person and play at least a few days together.

    • I don’t think it’ll make a difference in that regard, though it WILL reward people who are really good at scouting in light tanks, so it’ll be possible for “Scouting Unicums” to appear, but besides that, it’s just more flame bait and yet another way for people to stroke their E-Peens.

  6. - it is still being discussed whether there will be some high tier “connections” (SS: how is it called in WoT?) from existing German branches to the new TD branch
    ===
    links? :)

  7. If they know what PaK and KwK mean and the differences, why can’t they get them right in game? Sure the naming errors don’t really affect the gun’s performance but they are simple errors that by all right the devs shouldn’t be making. I’ll make it perfectly clear. A tank destroyer always carried a gun designated as PaK, even if it was identical to the KwK version on tanks. And before anyone tries to point out the Sturer Emil and Pz.Sfl.IVc that WG has announced in the next German TD line, those vehicles are actually and assault gun (technically arty) and Anti-Aircraft tank respectively

  8. - Storm confirms that in the future, changed golden shells will be bought back only for credits for their purchase price (SS: in other words: do NOT hoard golden shells and if you do, don’t buy them for gold)

    Yeah what does this moron mean with “in the future” When they changed the HEAT pens of the T10s i lost thousands of real goldshels i bought over the year for CWs.

  9. >> – the personal rating now takes into account only average damage per battle regardless of tier (SS: this is not to promote sealclubbing)

    I guess i will have to live with low rating. I like sealclubbing at 1tier :) . Oh, what can i do, cut my veins with my mouse or what?
    As if i ever cared…

    • It’s due to that many many people currently love to pad their stats with playing OP low tier tanks and get easy kills.

      If they didn’t care, there is a fair chance that that number would be much lower.

  10. >> – Storm confirms that the auto-ban mechanism (SS: see earlier post about the “bug”) was reworked, it was not in the patchnotes because Storm forgot to add it there

    Makes you wonder what else they “forgot”…

  11. I confirm to (not just Storm) that: KwK = tank gun, PaK = anti-tank gun. Hihihi…
    KwK is PanzerKampfwagenKanone and PaK is PanzerabwhereKanone. My apologies for my fault in German terms. Hihihi again! The riffle is the same, the muzzle break and the breach can vary.

  12. Have you noticed that the Konisch-gun is now super-cheap.. I mean like super-duper-cheap (18300 Cr.)

    Herp-Derp

      • And it’s actually waaaaaaay too OP at tier V ;-) But the 30.01(H) deserved some long-overdue love…

        • Not like the thing has much ELSE going for itself now, anyway. Let me tell you right now that the stock grind with the 75L43 is a paaaaaaaain. >.<

        • and it better stay that way ;), the general setup with 50mm of armour all round the hull warrants a powerfull gun. with exception of the US and UK heavies all others have enough penetration and more damage per shell then the Vk.

    • have you also noticed that the shell price is unchanged and you pay 80 credits more for a whopping 7mm of penetration and 0.01 more accuracy ;) when they nerfed its damage the shell price should have gone down too.

  13. - T-34-3 ingame performance evaluation will take “no less than a month” – a couple of weeks for players to get used to it and a couple of weeks to collect the data (SS: after that it is possible it will be buffed/nerfed)

    I can already see the idiots who will insta buy it with real money then WG will nerf it. Ahahaha go ahead and buy it folks xD

  14. -Sturer Emil : Rheinmetall 12.8 cm K L/61 gun
    So, do I need to grind for SE final gun, when I already have JT final gun?

    - it is still being discussed whether there will be some high tier “connections” (SS: how is it called in WoT?) from existing German branches to the new TD branch
    U mean “bridge line” maybe? Ahahaha. Yes please, at least to tier 7 is enough :D

    • Anything to skip the Jagdpanzer IV…seriously, having to get the suspension before you can even upgrade the RADIO is the pits…

      • JgPzIV: You are right, stock grind sucks – but elited it is more than fine. Just use free exp for initial upgrades and you’ll be fine

    • SE uses Pak 40 not Pak 44/2 so its not the same gun and it uses different shells as well so gunstats and shell stats are not the same. havin said that it will carry a very powerfull gun for T7, which will offcourse be “balanced” ;)

  15. - Q: “How about making the XP multiplier for top 3 places in battle result permanent?” A: “There is a separate thread for suggestions. Go whine there.”

    The devs of this game are absolute fucking twats. Gaijin need to bring out War Thunder Ground Forces ASAP to give these pricks some competition, maybe then they will respect their customers when they start leaving in droves.

    • I am optimistic that Gajin will do what Wargaming failed to do (mainly because of their fuckin fucked up shit engine) for years.

      Increase the battle distance beyond 500m – while keeping a good FPS-rate. like WarThunder right now gets about 40-50 fps on my pretty old system (NVIDIA 9600 GSO + AMD Dual-Core), while WoT, even if the maps are smaller, gets barely 20 fps without me exiting anything BUT WoT itself.

    • Funny how so many expect WT Ground Forces to blow WoT out of the water. All that officially has been showed is some nice looking pictures and a short video

      Yes, War Thunder has an amazing engine, but most of it is down to the fact that Gaijin knows how to make flight sims, and used their extensive knowledge from past developments. Probably also used a modified version of the engine from IL Sturmovik. Nothing wrong with that, it looks and plays great.

      But if you check out other games they have made, that are not flight sims, they have been rubbish (check out reviews of “Blades of Time” or “Death Track” if you don’t believe me).

      Are you still confident that everything Gaijin touches turns to gold?

      Anyway, Wargaming needs some competition for WoT, so I hope I am wrong about my worries regarding Ground Forces.

      • Blades of Time actually isn’t half bad IMO…

        Anyway, wishful thinking combined with petty bitterness leads to Unrealistic Expectations and fervent vigil for the coming of the Messiah Game du jour. Looks pretty ridiculous to those who haven’t been infected by the mentality ofc.

  16. - Storm states that exact changes in armor of some tanks will officially not be disclosed

    I guess WG wants us to play spot the difference with the collision models after every patch

  17. Q: “How about making the XP multiplier for top 3 places in battle result permanent?” A: “There is a separate thread for suggestions. Go whine there.”

    Yeah WG keep disrespecting you’re customers because without us you would be nothing. Dont bite the hand that feeds you.!!!

    • why would they worry about feelings in EU server, there are at the most 200k players on each server in EU. USSR, SEA, CHina, NA have more players and need to be kept happy.

      • It doesn’t matter how many more customers you have elsewhere in the business world you take customers from where ever they come from and you respect every customer no matter what.

        • Well CB I have some news for you. First, the Q&As are on the Russian forum and as such have nothing to do with the EU players; second, please don’t go around assuming everyone shares your fragile self-esteem and rank inability to take snarking in stride.

  18. Where the f… does the “unicum” come from anyway? Also, do the hungarian players laugh hard everytime someone calls himself “unicum”?

    • I don’t know, and I think I know why they’re laughing, but I laugh at it for different reasons. (since Unicums seem to be best at stroking their E-Peens and…nevermind, I’ll leave the rest to your imagination)

    • The term comes from latin, means unique. Yes, everyone laughs when someone calls themselves unicum, not just the Hungarians.

      Unicums themselves mostly come from their parents’ basements.

  19. - according to Storm, the best skill indicators for a players are win rate and average XP per battle.

    lol. Too bad you can buy 50% “skill” with a premium account or have your win rate carried into the 70% range. Gotta love how out of touch these guys are.

    Then again…
    - according to Storm, MM is working fine now

    Publish base XP and separate companies/CW/platoons from WR and he’s right.

      • How do I reading comprehension, guise?
        With “skill” he meant the 50% XP bonus that comes with a premium account.

        • You have to be pretty seriously fucking stupid to think WG are so bad at maths they’d count the prem bonus in. Doubly so as the last I checked the Service Record roundly ignored it too.

          So who’s actually “out of touch” here?

          • Uh… I hate to break it to you Kellomies… but average XP (that includes in your service record) has always counted the premium bonus.

            I’d link you to numerous threads confirming this… but you said it like an asshole, so I don’t care what you believe erroneously.

  20. Every german could have told you that KwK = Kampfwagenkanone – Tank gun and PaK = Panzerabwehrkanone- Antitank gun, you don’t need a confirmation from “the mighty storm”

    • Point is idiots seem to think PaKs are somehow inherently higher performing via some unspecified word-magic.

  21. - when making the new rating, devs didn’t just copy “efficiency rating” or other mod-based ratings, because “it’s bad for many people”

    We don’t want bad players to feel bad for being bad.

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  23. - the personal rating now takes into account only average damage per battle regardless of tier (SS: this is not to promote sealclubbing)

    So hi-tier TD’s is the way to go if you want nice personal rating? Great choice!! Bahh…