Preliminary Japanese characteristics from RU forums
Tier 1 LT- Renault Otsu
Tier 2 LT – Type 95 Ha-Go
Tier 3 LT – Type 98 Ke-Ni
Tier 4 LT – Type 5 Ke-Ho
Tier 2 MT – Chi-Ni
Tier 3 MT – Type 97 Chi-Ha
Tier 4 MT – Type 1 Chi-He
Tier 5 MT – Type 3 Chi-Nu
Tier 6 MT – Type 4 Chi-To
Tier 7 MT – Type 5 Chi-Ri
Tier 8 MT – STA-1
Tier 9 MT – Type 61
Tier 10 MT – STB-1
Give Object 430 stats plox. (:
Interesting the direction they took with a similar role to the Leo 1 but with (much) less accuracy. Slightly slower but good god that fire rate. Gun depression I think will also be better? allowing for a better hull down tank than the Leo. Turret traverse also seems to be better while losing somewhat in the pen department with APCR.
*I’m referring to the STB-1
Gun depression on the Japanese tier 10 tenk is -6.
Leopard 1 has -9, so yeah…
This is of course without the hydraulic suspension. WG hasn’t implemented it, of course, and probably never will, but they said at some point that the STB-1 would have good depression (which implies that they artificially increased the angles to simulate it).
Yep. With the hydraulic suspension (http://ftr.wot-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/7.jpg) it looks to be about -15 or so. With that in mind I think -10 is a perfectly acceptable number, and it also fits with the rest of the Japanese mediums. Personally I am looking forward a proper hull down tank at tier ten, as I think anything less than -10 is (quite honestly) less than adequate for the hull down play style. But that’s just my opinion.
the Japanese tanks looks very interesting the tier 10 will have crazy DPM and I like the fact that chi ri has an autoloader or non autoloader option my only question is if the light tanks will have scout mm or will be like the british.
Yes, having the choice to use an autoloader or not on the Chi-Ri is interesting.
However, if the drum reload time is anything like the T71 or 13/75 then it’ll be a no-brainer.
Think it said that it was a 10sec reload.
10 second reload and only 1 second between each shot. Almost certainly going to take the autoloader, only thing that may change my mind is if there is any gun depression differences between the 2 guns.
Well, it is still three shots of 75mm at around 140 average damage, so around 410. That would be the equivalent of a 122mm shot if you can get all shots in your target, meaning it stays exposed for 3 seconds…
Doesn’t seem that good to me. In an autoloader, 6 shots is nice, 5 is correct, 4 is acceptable, but 3 gets quite impractical. If you fail to get one if the juicy parts of your target, it’s back to 10 seconds of waiting, which you could very well not have.
Yeah, the non-autoloader will be better. The autoloader, including the time between the shots, will take 13 seconds. The non-autoloader has a reload time of 3.6 seconds. So, if they are both firing every time they can, the autoloader will have its next shells available in 13 seconds, while the non-autoloader will have its 4th shell available in 10.8 seconds.
7.5 RPM for the STB-1? Holy shit. Hoping it doesn’t get nerfed in test, but i have a feeling it will.
It was always intended to be high DPM (tradeoff is low pen)
Yeah, that’s true. I don’t have a problem with it’s high DPM (in fact i love it), I’m just worried it might get changed. The pen and accuracy do make it a decent trade off though.
In what reality is 218/275 considered “low pen” on a tier 8 medium? Might you look at the Pershing’s gun, this gun here has NO tradeoffs, any tradeoffs would have to be on the vehicle itself, because this gun is all goods and no bads at all.
We’re talking 258 pen on tier X btw
Low pen?
Nah, it’s pretty decent for a medium tank. Shouldn’t be playing it like a heavy anyway.
Liking the look of the gun mantlet though. My (future) Leo 1 is envious. My PTA too.
I also hope that RoF does not get lowered. It shouldn’t be, since the gun is far less accurate than German and British counterparts.
tier 6 looks boss do want but I need armour so I won’t be going up this line .
Anyone else think the Chi To’s hull resembles the MT-25′s?
Anyone else thinking that the tier 8 MT, the STA-1, doesn’t have a fully traverseble turret, more like the T28 prot?
It looks like that but it would probably juas have 0 or -1 gun depression in the back, just like the Cromwell and the Comet
That t8 looks really interesting now, 8 RpM with 218 mm pen at t8 on a, what seems to be, fairly mobile chassie and some gun depression. I don’t know if i’ll bother going to t10 but i’ll defintely get the t8 one.
also, 12 RpM with the same 90 mm gun at t9, dat DpM.
The t7 looks horrible though, larger than a KT but with t4 levels of armor and fairly poor mobillity.
my god, the Tier 2 Japanese medium tank has the tiniest turret I’ve ever seen. I do like the stats of the Chi-Ri, and I am planning to get the STB-1, that rounded turret looks fun to go hull down
gun depression only -6, can’t hull down very well.
That’s some serious firepower on the tier 8, 9 and 10.
6 and 7 seem to be a bit underwhelming though
the gun on t6 seems very good to me, I’m looking forward to it :D
Well the VK 30.02 M has an almost identical gun but better turret armor and higher top speed. Hard to judge the overall performance without knowing the soft stats though.
The tier 7 will have trouble with the weak gold ammo. All the other tier 7 mediums get premium ammo which pushes them past the 200 penetration barrier (or at least close to it) and thus can engage tier 8 heavies frontally. With only 186 it’s still possible, but very hard.
186 mm AP versus 200 mm APCR.
Ultimately, not much difference.
Well even IndienPanzer has also 8 rpm (90mm) – with much better armor imho – nothing impressive…
Lel more of those crap tanks. Only tanks capable of proper gameplay are 8 tier nad higher. So much hype of nothing. And only X tier looks fun to play.
The Type 61 will be like the Centurion 7/1 with the two different guns: fast firing high DPM “low pen” (2880) or high pen and punchy alpha DMG and lower DPM (2340)
rammer, vents, bia and 100% crew brings 90mm gun to 3730dpm
Well, you cant be standing there and thinking you can put out that dpm – the armor of this tank is just preventing the vehicle to fall apart when firing…
Tier 1 Renault Otsu looks pretty good compared to the Renault FT.
Damn, STA-1 is pretty slow…
I though it will be going like 50 Km/h… and it will be slower than Pershing i guess…
But, i’m still gonna get STA-1 though…
it does 53
plus 20hp/ ton. .. yeah, it’ll as slow as a snail lol…. @v
Im glad I’m going to be finished my british medium line soon as soon I watch jingles 8.10 preview i might go down this line next
What? No love for the tier 2-4 machines? Those things look fantastic!
Look at their gun accuracy….
Indeed, I plan on playing these tanks from tier 1 :D
Same here… but kind of disappointed about the teir 7 tank was hoping it’ll get a gun that at least does or close to 200 alpha. Oh well, just hope it gets good mm.
um it has an auto loader what is there to complain about
That bloody Type 3 Chi-Nu will be a keeper!
lol leop pta is shit in comparision to type 61…. 1600dpm vs 2300, while armour and agility are similiar.
Really looking forward to these tanks! I have been saving up free XP to skip from tier 1 to tier 4 (I have enough to skip to tier 5 but i want to try out Che-he). I know I am gonna love tier 4-6 and I might like chi-ri but it’s stats are so unique and weird. Not planning on getting any of the tanks further than tier 7 though they do seem pretty awesome.
great gun..but acc is not great. Nice tanks little by little i make this tree
Can’t wait to start grinding. But that accuracy tho D: … Was expecting something like a FV4202 accuracy
Oh well…
well, it’s similar to M48 accuracy. Decent for support role.
yes, the accuracy is similar to “121″ – some Sushi instead of Extinguishers will help here.. i just hope the turret will have some good bounce potential (with its shape the autobounce angle can achieved rather quick) and the armor model on it will not be screwed
With a HP/ton Ratio of over 20 it will be really mobile (like FV4202) and can work out the terrain quite good i guess
I really wonder what the Soft-Stats will bring (hoping for a good Gun Dispersion on the move – and allows it to hit without having a full-Stop to hit anything) – and the Ground Resistance, but i see that it has the same Tracks and it’s lighter than Leo1 (with more Armor – leads me to the conclusion that this STB-1 will be a rather tiny Tank, like Obj140 or so)
Japanese prem food is an onigiri, not sushi.
meah i was hoping for more . stb-1 has a worse gun than the leo 1 except for ROF . STB 1 has a massive weak spot on the hull and commanders hatch . im disappointed. i bet the obj 430 will be better
The Chi-To has an absolutely excellent gun at tier 6, I really want it.
is the gun depression confirmed for -6? I see -10 thrown around.
Looks like The Lights are promising….
http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/51183-japanese-tank-tree-guns-discussion/page__st__6160__pid__6040093#entry6040093
in here
Confirmed STB-1 elevation arc: -10°/+13°
WTF? Did they remove the breech block? Maybe WG also shaved off some (most) of the barrel?
While this does make the STB-1 a lot more viable, the reality hacking is seriously disappointing.
Would be a lot better to leave it as a tier 10 super Leopard PTA.
Hmm – Tier 8 and 8 seem to have utter Garbage Armor, do i see that right? I think rather nimble but not high Top Speed. I don’t like the look of the sub-T8 Tanks (look like disguised Tractors) – the STB-1 is the Baby to have… i will go for it.. gogo-O-Gadget-Free-XP :P