A small erratum first – in the WT E-100 nerf post, there was a part where I wrote the accuracy on the move would actually be buffed. It was a mistake of the leaker – he later corrected it in a second mail, WT E-100 accuracy on the move will be nerfed. Already corrected the original post.
Otherwise, there is very little new (I suppose they are saving it for the test 9.2?)
- regarding that KV-1, fished from water (see earlier FTR today), Evilly states that it can be renovated from this state, it happened before
- Q: “It would be better that instead of WT E-100, they nerfed FV 215b (183), but nooo, we’ll have to wait three more years” A: “It will happen much faster :)”
Much faster being 2 years…. you know…. 33% faster.. that would technically be “much faster” ;)
Ah finally. T10 gameplay is starting to look much better when they tune 183 and WT E100
And 268.
I’ve never had a problem with the 268 honestly… Is it that hard to spot?
I think they overnerfed 268 too much.. Penetration nerf, okay, but dmg and now camo nerf, when it have paper armour for tier 10 ? In my opinion this TD sucks now, bcause american and even obj 263 are now way better.
People vastly underestimate the 268′s armor…
It’s not the best ever, but the superstructure is pretty damn well armored, save a weakspot around the mantlet.
The hull is weaker than average, but at distance, you can bounce…
People over-use the term paper armor.
Over 240mm effective armor is NOT paper armor.
I barely see that crappy TD these days. Almost as rare as 263. And even when i do spot one, it just dies without actually doing much.
Kids just go for autoloader TD’s or turreted ones. 268 has nothing unique left now. Mentioned TD’s can do 268 job 10x better.
268 is still super nice and more than plenty for a tier x Tank Destroyer….
yes:
http://rocketbrainsurgeon.com/comparison-object-268-vs-object-704/
704 is better than 268, it’s abnormal !!!!
I will grant you the difference between the two isn’t massive anymore…
But mobility was really overlooked in that comparison.
Mobility is really fucking important, and the 704 has none.
Well ok, if you are on level ground, after 20-30 seconds you will go at a respectable speed. But that’s not anywhere close to the 268′s mobility. You upgrade not to get more firepower (you have a BL10 already, you couldn’t expect the firepower to skyrocket anymore…) not for armor (which remains pretty good, although less troll-y), but for mobility.
And mobility, my friend, is extremely important.
Yeah but what do you end up trading for that mobility? Gun handling characteristics, gun traverse angle and camo. Now that they’ve nerfed the camo after firing…you’re fuxed(not that it used to be more stealthy than the 704 which is GOD imo).
And since the traverse angle is so narrow, you constantly need to adjust your hull position meaning you’re gonna reset aim, cammo, net and binocs(if you’re using).
You’re essentially trading a stealth sniper tank for an assault gun that doesn’t have the armor to be one.
You’re trading a stealth sniper tank that isn’t very accurate in the first place, for an assault gun that can’t assault.
The entire line is odd and full of oxymorons.
The 268 is felxible, the 704 is much less…you pay 6 million for that.
That must be the most accurate description I’ve ever read.
What about the foch 155?
3 round clip with 50+ sec reload 5 sec inbetween shell reload.
They nerfed the speed, the ground resistance, the armor, the camo, the alpha.
That tank is almost as slow as the WT e-100 now lol.
How terrible.
Camo Nerf my ass. You people still whining about this bullshit, ahve no clue how camo works to begin with. Yes, most TDs lost 50% of their *base* camo value when firing, but this amounts to a factual view range negation from generally 5% to 2.5%. It’s completely meaningless because the base camo value when firing wasn’t the problem to begin with.
All bushwankers are crap :D
Remove_bush_from_game.
Mister Whoreass doesn’t like TD’s? How terrible :’(
Oh he does, I distinctly remember killing(and apologizing) him with an AC46(or was it 48) while I was driving my ISU.
I think he has something against invisi-tanks that 1shot you from far far away.
Yeah… Now all we need is the tier X mediums getting the nerf bat in one way or the other.
They are horridly overpowered ATM.
insane spotting range to the point they made scouts obsolete. Good armor, as good if not better than alot of heavies, t62a turret much!? 91 dpm less than the fast firing TD line tier X from the russians the obj 263 that was made for that ALONE!
You people whine about a tank that can clip 3000+ dmg with a MINUTES cooldown. Has ZERO CAMO it litterally has the worst camo in the fking game, look it up. No armor, this tank gets HE blasted by tier 2 tanks and dies fast.
But nope no hate for the mediums with even more DMG output per minute, faster speed, great camo waay good armor.
I can sorta agree with the toxic gameplay argument, i mean it is frustrating to die like that. It is the same with the Deathstar and the arty..
But there exists tanks with huge ass guns. They are meant to fking hurt. TDs like the jpgz e100 and the deathstar were made to inflict major damage per shell. The sacrifice alot to do that amount of dmg.
The reason i have no respect for people whining about Deathstars and WTe-100 is because
1. i personally almost NEVER! die to them. I really dont, i might take alot of dmg before i get away, but the same happens if i get hit by an e-100.
2. These 2 tanks are litterally 1 trick ponies. The Deathstar has the worst troll shells ever, if you ever played it you´d know how some times you get lucky, and pen. Other times you can hit the ass of an e-75 and do 400 dmg.
I can understand the arty hate, because they risk nothing in doing their dmg. The deathstar and WT-e100 has to be in range. That is 2 completely different scenarios.
Try playing your mediums like you would play a tank destroyer. Tell me im wrong. They are better TDs than tank destroyers are. They are better pushers brawlers than heavies and better scouts than scouts.
And you are whining about a tank that doing 6 shells and has a 60s cooldown.
if it ever was the case, then this is truly a noob issue, and therefore a learn to play issue.
Try to brawl around a corner in a meds vs heavies, good luck.
If the medium tanks are so OP and can do everything better than any other class….why aren’t the clan wars set up full of obj 140s and other mediums?
There is a reason why they are called medium tanks…
The M48 patton would like to bring to your attention the fact that you’re full of shit.
Why people are whining about WTF 100 and not mediums? Because a medium needs to put a shot into you, pull back into cover, come out, put a shot into you, rinse and repead about 6-7 times, taking him about 30 seconds to do so, time in which he may get shot up by well…you if you’re not completely oblivious that a damn medium is shooting your ass and maybe your team mates so he could conceivably get 1 return shot for every 2-3 he spits at you(if you’re the only guy shooting).
Let’s try this with the WTF. He pops out of cover, you shoot him and he blows his load in your face. You’re back in the garage and he’s 1 shot worst for wear.
I’m not saying that the WTF is completely OP and you can’t do anything to him (I find it utterly precious when one starts unloading against my IS4 or ST-i or T95) but to start complaining about mediums…that’s a load of bullshit
Give 215b the tortoise L1A1, and nerf the 183mm to the ground.
Replace 215b to another.
And introduce 2nd british TD line – T10 with same gun on more mobile platform xD
and give us T57 with 155mm gun
T58:
- 3.4s aim time.
- 3 shells.
- 4s reload between shots.
- 55s drum reload.
Balanced?
as long as it reloads slower than it aims it is comfortable to play with it :)
The stats of the pre-nerf foch155 would be fine (probably with a bit longer rld time)
Well… I do agree that 183 is a bitch but its high damage per shot is like the only plus it has. No armor, huge reload time, only 12 shells, limited turret traverse. I don’t know why people complain about it like this. yes, it’s a very dangerous tank but it can be outmaneuvered and beaten pretty quick. I don’t see what they could nerf so that it doesn’t become underpowered… maybe mobility. Dunno.
I think they only need to change something about the pay2win part it brings. With normal AP its totally obsolete compared to other tier 10 tds.
From what I know I’d predict the change as
- HESH is now default ammo
- HESH penetration reduced to around 240mm
- Premium ammo becomes HEAT or AP.
With AP, like same damage as JPZE100, with less armor, and longer reload time, so who is OP…?
But noone complaining about JGPZE100, which can shoot 1k dmg/20 sec, and huge armor
183 has a turret and better mobility than the Jpe100.
And camo. You can’t play vision game in a J100, but you can in the 183 (against Heavies/pubbies who hasn’t got coated optics)
jgpz e100 has unreliable armor, i got penned on side when sidescrapping in it. the angle was 80 degress and it still penned. the gun is also unreliable. bounces point blank ranges on things like is-3 and tiger 2.
Crying about the Jagdpanzer E-100? You are a moron, go away.
183 really should have a lower alpha… Even a reduction from hesh average 1750 damage to 1500 would be a good idea, espcially for the unfortunate tier 8 tanks.
A RoF buff at the same time to compensate would be something really nice in return as the tank itself really isn’t that nice :-)
No need to nerf FV becuase it doesnt make 1800 dmg every time you must tu aim with it very good, so that tank can make 300 or 2 000 dmg so it is balanced :D
Honestly I think they should just balance it to do slightly less damage and give it more shells to compensate no matter how unhistorical more shells would be 12 shells is ridiculously few if they were to nerf it’s alpha. A Waffle E100 can kill an entire team with it’s ammo supply, the 183 can kill 12 thanks at most on a good day…
You…are aware that HESH also splashes, right? So about the 12 tanks on a good day…depends how close they are to one another. I’ve seen one kill 3(low HP) tanks in 1 shot so…
300 dmg is when you shoot the front of the IS7 turret…usually it’s around 700. Also everyone who can aim slightly better than a tomato can deal full dmg pens. Even if you don’t give a fuck and just spam the shells all around you’ll do 4-5k dmg. It’s not OP it’s broken just like waffleshite100
well other tanks deal 0 dmg then ;) With FV u always deal dmg, u just cant bounce (except for autobounce angle)
183 solution: remove HESH, give it APCR.
WTF100 solution: remove stock gun
APCR would be pointless overkill in terms of penetration, I think 183 deserves to have more shells and even lower HESH pen so that it can basically only one shot under-armoured tanks or backsides. It would be nice if it could be ”more anti-waffle E-100” than it is now. ( since it can’t one-shot waffle E-100′s due to it’s high HP )
it can actually one shot waffle, shoot hesh at its turret.
With an ultra lucky roll, it averages 1750, miss you’re fucked and you’re going to get clipped. Hit a track, bam half the dmg you would have normally done. 8000 credits per HESH isn’t cheap to run. Aim time is problematic when trying to hit the weak spot of your enemy. “Shoot Ap then”, the only thing that would make it good is the pen, it has less armor then the JpzE100, aim time is worse, and reload is 5 seconds longer.
1 dont talk about fv if u dont own it
2. wt is its spoted and its spoted 99,99 when shoots its dead
3.only tomatoes rage about nerf (because they cant play anymore their sweet love is-7 and e100 or maus )
4 . learn to play first ,than talk about nerfs
5.aim its like artylerry
6 if u turn left or right the circle will explode out of the screen
7 you have to be skilled and have a formed eye on tanks ,even if he has 275 on gold it uses he(sh) not ap
suggestion : quite the raging about nerfing ,we had enough from wargaming
PS: tomatoes raged about gold users as they have their fingers cut and cant press the gold ammo to buy it , now the wargaming wants to nerf them
as in tomatoes ruin the game (i hope skilled mm will come one days per tier as if u dont get high skill u wont play higher tier )
i can bet if i look on 70% stats of the one who posts here they are all under green skill (average) which means yellow below average
good luck on PROVINCE
out.
So if i don’t own 183 it means i couldn’t try it on test server and did 2k dmg in first shot i took and just prove how retardedly broken it is. I didn’t read the rest of your post because 1st thing was bullshit enough to do so.
Edit: I’ve read the rest and i wish i didn’t. Powercreep pubbie.
u so pro , u did 1 shot in 1 game and u died so ?
play it on real server ,own it , play at least 50-100 games than talk bro
i can say t1 is the best tank from the game just because 1 played one game ,really skilled
Try buffing your spelling.
Also most of what you said is bs, shall I start pointing it out?
Retards who want to play easy-mode tanks(like spg, too bad that got nerfed already) wants to hold onto their easy-mode tanks so they can pretend to have skill.
183 and WTF100 are not particularly good tanks(have some real disadvantages, but still overpowered because of the ease of use, especially 183 which can just spam HESH and it does damage even withotu penning); they are simply toxic for gameplay.
Toxic for gameplay? Where have I heard of this before? Oh wait, retarded noobs are also toxic for gameplay. 183 and WTF100 fits them like gloves.
Exactly. These tanks are not OP but inbalanced, broken, toxic for the gameplay, not fitting into the game or whatever you wanna call it. They don’t need to be nerfed but to be changed.
yup agreed 183 and wut e100 were a disgrace to game balance design. devs who made should be fired.
And where did i said i didn’t do more damage than that 1 shot for 2k?! That was just to emphasize the retardiness of that TD and to emphasize how broken it is. Also implying it’s harder to play on real server than on test server where everyone drives t10 tds and slings sprem at you just shows you have no fucking clue what you are talking about. But keep enjoying your powercreep pubbiemobile. It will be nerfed eventually.
SOLUTION FOR ALL GOLD AMMO USERS:
Why dont we change the armor stats of all tanks to 20-30 mm and all prem ammo pen to about 300?
Happy ?
You wont have to aim, 100% pen chance, ? fun to play ?, no brain (the video), all balanced, all happy :D
Please more bullshit.
I have 280 battles with it – average damage 3700/battle.
Easiest dmg ever made. Just sit, aim, click the button.
This thing is broken and needs to be fixed, same way as WTE – 260 battles 3900/battle.
And big part of these battles were CWs where is harder to get the damage.
Both of these camper noob tanks need to be nerfed to ground as they only enable morons like you to do easy damage and support massive camping.
Also JPZE100 needs massive on the move accuracy nerf and way longer reload.
Having brutal alpha DMG is OP and needs to be compensated. Otherwise there will be only TD camp morons like you playing in a few months.
Is English your first language? Also Maus, E-100, and IS-7 have succumbed to power creep, you just want your easy mode tanks to pad in.
SS, will there be other vehicles buffed and nerfed in 9.2 than WT-E100? If so, are all Tiers affected or only some Tiers?
Thanks.
Nerfing as intended.
:D
Now 268 need its alpha or dpm back.
To not make 268 cancer again I’d suggest giving it mobility and gun handling instead of firepower. T10 does not need more alpha.
- Q: “It would be better that instead of WT E-100, they nerfed FV 215b (183), but nooo, we’ll have to wait three more years” A: “It will happen much faster :)”
2 weeks after the on-track event
WTE-100 just need HP nerf…..It doesn’t make sense a 183 do full damage can’t kill WTE-100 all the time but WTE-100 can just clip a 183…..
Personally don’t see too much issue with 183…the ones complaining about it must have watched too much Circon live stream and think driving 183′ll be best in the world……Which actually is more to do with Circon OP, and nobody can nerf him :)
WTE-100/WTPz IV/RBW should only allow 15cm gun with HE only…..
1. finnally they nerf this ugly piece of shit.
2. love WG how the trick unicums, below avg and bad players. they give their money to unlock it at first day^^
unicums mostly got their golds from ESL for FREE. got my point??
Am I the only one who thinks WT E-100 and FV 215b 183 are the weakest T10 TD’s? Probably yes.
Well I for one don’t much notice any different camo factors for my TD’s, maybe it’s because I always stay behind a bush when shooting. As for most of the other stuff that was talked about coming in 9.1, again not much in the way of changes. I think the developers need to work more on the game and less on starting rumors about stuff that they never bother to add in to the game, and most likely never will.
For me they should just hugely reduce HESH pen for the 183. So as it doesn’t pen it halves it before armour is taken into account so that’s 875 downwards, similar to the other tds, then you can start considering the 3 round autoloader they had, so 183 = fast ROF and new one along the lines of the Foch 155.
One day I hope to read the comments section of FTR and discover that most players enjoy WoT. I play WT instead these days, and refuse to read associated forums/reddits/gossip websites because reading the comments from you lot of clueless whinging imbeciles depletes all of my tolerence for such faggy bullshit.
This game was heaps more fun when I started playing it. I don’t blame WG for things going south…I blame all of the silver only cretins and the gold-powered wunderspieler faggots that turned up…
Anybody else just wanna play tanks and have fun? Maybe they have all left as well :|
Y’all whine like babies…WT E-100 here blah blah…FV 183 there blah blah…
Wait until you meet FV 4005 Stage 2 and that thing had a 183mm cannon with an autoloader.
Keep your tears for later.
That was the stage 1.
Stage 2 has no autoloader. It’s in a turret, but it’s a big KV-2 style turret which is basically a big, slabsided block.
I think that overnerf the FV183 would be bad for the game.
Think about it, the FV183 is the only TD which actually do damage even with non pen hits. So even huge armored platform are afraid of it. And if they are too cocky it’s one shot. If you nerf the 183 to the ground you’ll see the amount of T110E4/T110E3/JagE100 rise significantly because armored TDs are the most “shiny” thing a noob want and it’s actually the easiest to play but you’ll also see much more heavys.
A well played 183, it’s also the guarantee that your team will be able to deal with hard campers who never move from the whole game because it’s a easy target for him.
If WG wants to nerf it, okay, but myself the only things i would nerf (and not totally and not all in the same time) are:
- Mobility.
- Accuracy when turret move. (but it’s already not that good)
- Aiming time (already “meh”)
- Reload time.
Things i don’t want to see nerfed without huge buffs elsewhere:
- Hesh pen.
- Accuracy (26 sec reload to miss shots on immobile target…no thanks…)
- HP pool. (less than 2K for a tier X paperarmored not that fast moving TD … No…)
The 183 isn’t OP. It ONLY has a gun when loaded with HESH (which costs a TON to run).
It’s armor is crap, it’s mobility is relatively crap, it’s camo is crap (even worse now), turret can only rotate 90 degress. depression and elevation are subpar, and 25 second reload with only 12 shells. HESH isn’t a God-mode shell either, more often than not you only do 600-700 damage, not the 9000 that everyone thinks you do. It’s only when you get a good shot at a weakpoint that you roll big and people that don’t know how to play against is start crying.
I fear they’re going to do to it what they did to the Foch 155 which is completely ruin it simply because some tier 8 scrub in a lorr tried to go toe-to-toe with it too many times.
9000 dmg??! per battle or what?
no gold-HESH for 183 is fucking cheap compared to how much dmg you can do with one shot… just calculate once what you pay in e.g. E-25 with Gold-Ammo to deal 1750dmg
8000 Credits for 1750 dmg (well not always the case cos of module hits)
2800 Credits for 135 dmg (can bounce or miss here aswell)
i skip the exact calculation part at this point… (but its roughly 35’000 credits in E-25 for 1750 dmg) ;)
i have almost only loaded premium HESH in 183 ofc (maybe 1-2 AP for some cases)
Fv183 is completely ok, if you are a paper med, dont go in front of them, and if you are a heavy, hesh wont hurt that much, dont forget to angle..
maybe reduce dmg a bit and increase reload time for compensation.
Waffletrager is OP until it is out of ammo, then anything can kill it in 1 mins.
its sad that wg prefers to whiny kids with parents money rather than people with reasonable arguments for ‘ why wg wont delete tds and arties, nerf scouts and meds too, also give infinite gold and hp to proslayerxX1998′s is7 ‘
SS, since you lock Hall of Shame comments, only one thing: if you start such contest, it means that they won.
Yeah, nerf FV183, and delete the whole british tech tree. It’s not bad enough that they heavies and meds are turds?
It’s pathetic when 48% accidents scream all forums full and due to that all the good tanks get nerfed.
Soon you will have full garage of shit tanks.
STOP NERFING. MAKE ALL TANKS OP! Let skill decide. But no, everyone has to drive slow turning, long aiming, gazombik aim circle tenks. With shit for armor.
80% of these screamers are turds who grinded out Waffle and FV, then cant achieve nothing above 40% win rate with them, and then they take their IS-4′s and drown themselves in whine when due to being out of position get one shotted by FV, who once in a while had a good accuracy shot and managed to pen them avoiding tracks and all spaced armor.
Bit confused about the 183 rage. Generally they don’t do too much and the stats we have available back that up. Guess that just like arty people don’t like being one shot by them.
It’s not OP, some people just don’t like the mechanics.
183 is fine, i think it doesnt need a nerf with that inaccurate gun (and horrid aimtime) (and broken HESH physics)
183 hasnt been touched
WNG shoud once attend physics courses for dummies in case of 268′s gun!
268 has a ridiculous slow shell velocity but has almost best penetration with its 152mm AP Ammo – which makes it harder to hit moving targets at a distance
Penetration capability is vastly decided by the kynetic energy of a projectile – secondly by it’s material/shape and construction
KE = 0.5 • m • v2 (which means Velocity far more deciding than Mass)
Foch155 was kicked in the Ass so bad, that it’s barely playable anymore… only idiots nerf 10 Parameters at a time with a Tank.. you nerf at max 2 things at a time and then see how it works.. else one breaks stuff! Do they have Vodka-Ban in the WGN offices actually, if not – they really should consider!
They simply do not pay attention careful enough when introducing stuff, they just make it tasty so all noobs gonna start grind attractive tanks and maybe (please, please) spend gold/money for free XP, so the shit in Cyprus might grow quicker! Later on they go grab the Nerf-Bat and club the shit out of it…
Seriously….! Are you peeps actually not feeling how bad and cheeky you are getting punked by them?!
They should stop trying to fix the WT because it’s simply a broken concept, an imaginary one, a completely illogical tech tree successor to a PzIV based WT and gameplay wise completely different from the rest of the TD line. The Panther Waffenträger that Zarax has proposed numerous times would be a much better solution.
As for FV 183 a thing that I had in mind would be completely scrapping the gold HESH and buffing gun handling and reload time making it a less armored, more flexible alternative to JgPz E-100. And possibly buff the regular HESH pen just for the sake of gameplay diversity.
dont ruin my FV TD with 4k avg dmg. Only enjoyable tank which goes pass all the serving coming from WG against me. It just doesn’t ding like all other tanks do in so stupid situations.