62 thoughts on “Object 430 (T10) and 430V2 (T9) characteristics”
I thought that tier IX will have the same gun as tier X?
Apparently not…
It’s still awfully similar to tier X in every other aspect.
So a tank that’s almost identical to the t54and another almost identical to the t62a. Wow I’m SO Excited
How is obj.430 v2 identical to T-54 ? Last time I checked T-54 had turret in center and not in the rear.
Fine, SLIGHTLY different.
Also, a bit over 200mm pen isn’t really enough for Tier IX med I’d say…
it’s a medium, learn to flank
Tell that to my Tier IX Pershing with 180mm of pen… or better yet, a non-upgraded Patton with that same gun…
You try finding a Tier 10 Soviet Medium that is suitable for the job that fits in the game timeline and doesn’t look somewhat like the T62A… Also, a rear turret is a HUGE change.
That’s not elited, is it?
Could anyone show me any real difference between T-62A, Object 140 and Object 430? +- same armor, same gun, +- same speed, those tanks are just copies of themselves (at least for me…)
Obj 140 is a tad better copy of T-62A with better speed, armor angles and gun depression. Obj 430 has good frontal armor, same speed as Obj140 and lower RoF. Yep, they’re still clones with variations.
Well, yes. The 430 has better armour, better gun depression (-6) than T-62A, worst rate of fire and traverse on both hull and turret, worst aim time. So the differencees are there. No very big ones, but the overall will make the tank work different, an hibryn of the WZ-121 and the 140.
“-5 depression for 430″ (c) Storm
I though they said -6 in some Q&A :P
Sorry to interrupt you bro but I can’t stand you using the term WZ-121
WZ designation is for tanks that were accepted in to production and had their factory tests, 110,112,113 and 121 were either paper projects or had only single prototypes that were rejected by the army. WZ-111 was in fact developed in 5 different variants and had its factory tests to see which one was viable enough to run production but the fact none was reliable enough to continue the project is another thing.
Same goes for WZ-120, the premium tank uses it’s service designation Type 59 because it uses it’s historical configuration in which it was produced and served in PLA. The grindable one is WZ-120 because it has access to all weapons it was experimented with and thus it’s named after its factory designation.
I can use Type 79 aswell :P
Correct, Type 69, wich can be called aswell WZ-121 because there were varios prototypes. And bassed on what you say about WZ-120 and Type 59 the 121 should be called WZ because it doesn’t use an historical configuration, wich was a 100 mm smothbore gun, and later an 105 mm L7 and it baceme the Type 79
just to say it the 121 is not the type 69. and therefore using the term WZ-121 for it is horribly wrong.
Then you got me wrong. the 121, current tier X med was only a prototype to meet the army’s requirements but the army rejected the tank. That’s why it’s not the WZ. Only tanks with designation WZ were approved by the army to be developed further.
Only Numbers – Prototype developed to meet requirements laid by the army but yet not approved.
WZ and numbers – Prototype approved by army for further development in to production model. From all chinese tanks I know, only WZ-111 Heavy tank was rejected at this stage.
Type and numbers – Tank approved , tested and in production. Serving in PLA
121 is one of tge early versions of the WZ-121 (Type 69), it entered in service, and it was one of tge first home-made tanks in Chine (not national adquired tecnologies, but made in home). More than 2000 were manufactured, but not the version ingame.
It can be a follow-up like Chieftain from FV4202, T-54 from T-44 or perhaps more similar case like IS-8 from IS-7. The tank is dropped but the concept remains, the development continues in to a new tank. They are still separate tanks and naming 121 as WZ-121 is just a horrible mistake.
The in-game 121 was rejected by Chinese military and was used in a nuclear test just like my favorite 113. It’s a shame that such waste product like WZ-111 is still in museum while those two are forever lost…
Well the 140 has better gun depression than the T62A, if i remember correctly. Not sure about the 430.
At least it doesn’t have the same RoF as T-62/Obj140….
LOL, the gun on the 430v2 shared with the T-54 is not as good as the one shared with the 416 :-)
The M-63 (Object 416 and Object 430V2) is almost the same as the D-10T2C (the “bad pen” on thr T-54)
ie. the superior gun. 420 Shoot gold everyday.
The M-63 has better accuracy, RoF, aim-time and DPM :-)
Notice how the engine shown in the v2 screenshot isn’t the top engine, it’s possible that it’s got another gun which isn’t shown.
What tells you that?
Notice how the engine shown on the v2 have 550 hp and can only be mounted on the v1, but the regular 430 have a 580 hp engine which can be mounted on both it and the v2
Wow, without a better gun that tier 9 will be UP as hell.
UP as hell? it’s got way better armor than the T-54 while still being agile and use the same guns (pretty much).
Are you saying that the T-54 is UP?
Having played the 416, rear-mounted mediums need something to compensate for how difficult they are to drive. I love the 416, but my god it’s a challenge.
260k exp to 430…challenge accepted.
Ive see ppl do wonders in their Obj416 and I can imagine this will be similar. The low profile and turret in back allow some pretty decent pee-a-boo over smaller hills, hill slopes and shooting behind cover.
Yes, because the Obj416 has the medium gun of a tier higher. If the 430V2 doesn’t get this it will be a very tricky tank to play.
I imagine 430V2 has 360 turret traverse along with its very good armour fixes most of the 416′s problems. More like the A-44.
I read 430V2 has 180 traverse. :-|
The 416 is like a ninja TD. It’s super fast, has great camo and the gun is awesome.
I guess at tier 9 the 430v2 will need to load more HEAT, but otherwise it should do fine.
Anyone noticed that v2 has better radio than normal obj.430 ?
Yeah, you need to play it like sniper.
Will Object 430 still have that 1hp (hit point) engine?
You really believed that it will be literally 1hp ?
You don’t understand sarcasm huh?
I reckon the gun nerfs would be enough to balance higher hull armour (slightly worse RoF and aim time than other T10 Soviet MTs). 430 still has thin turret top to allow for -6 elevation.
A weak engine would be quite penalising for the T9 that uses the same engine in the front, as with the A-44′s engine. (This also explains why 430 is more expensive to unlock; you get an engine for ‘free’.)
How much XP do I need for the T9, I’m currently grinding the Obj.416 and would like to know when to stop.
Check the previous posts here. I think it was shown yesterday or day before that.
oh god, 20mm more hull armor with better angles – would definitely get this one over the T62A or Obj 140 if I wasn’t so damn close to getting the Obj 140, plus the fact that I need a tier X med for the campaigns.
The slope is not better, the same 60 degrees.
nope go measure it the obj has better angles
8,7 rounds/minute.
obj. 140 and t42a are at 9,09…
i’m ok with this.
I cant really see the 430V2 working out well.Same guns as the T-54,pretty much,but no fully traversing turret and a engine that will probably get knocked out/damaged VERY often (see A-44 and Object 416),and all you get is slightly better turret armor and more hitpoints…The only other thing this tank might have going for it is the ability to sidescrape (80mm side armor).
great medium tank :D different style and gameplay. tier X have great ROF and accuracy. i want it :D
Well that’s quite underwhelming. I mean granted the 430 is at least more different to the T-62A than the 140 is (better armor and speed, shittier gun) but cmon really. The 430/140 are pretty pointless. And the 430V2 is just a … worse T-54, with a shitty rear turret design from what I can tell. Yes rear turret tanks can exploit certain side-scraping tactics a little better but that one advantage doesn’t really outweigh the disadvantages. And for how much XP you have to earn to unlock these clones? Let’s just say I’m happy I’ve already got the “real” tanks (T-54/T-62) and I see no point in unlocking these new clones.
At least we’ll get some interesting tanks with the Japanese.
Interesting tanks with the Japanese – another tier X with L7 clone.
The 430 will be the best t10 medium as it will beable to for fill any role with it’s fantastic armor.
Though this is boring
The Jp tank is interesting and only worht getting if it really has the -10. But at the end of the day it has massive weak spots so wont be much of a threat on level ish ground
Not sure why we need THREE T10 Russian Meds but I guess I’ll get a crew ready for her when 8.10 drops.
Because one is not enough…
Although without tanklocking you won’t notice.
I just hope the Object 430V2 can turn its turret 360 unlike the Object 416
some interesting facts
50-m effective armor
UP 150 @ 60 =300
LG 100 @ 60 =200
62a
UG 100 @ 60 = 200
LG 100 @ 50 = 155
OBJ 140
UG 100 @ 65 = 236
LG 100 @ 60 = 200
OBj 430 ( assuming the same angles as the 140 ) Im hoping the angles will be greater by a few
UG 120 @ 65 = 283
LG 120 @ 60 = 240
I thought that tier IX will have the same gun as tier X?
Apparently not…
It’s still awfully similar to tier X in every other aspect.
So a tank that’s almost identical to the t54and another almost identical to the t62a. Wow I’m SO Excited
How is obj.430 v2 identical to T-54 ? Last time I checked T-54 had turret in center and not in the rear.
Fine, SLIGHTLY different.
Also, a bit over 200mm pen isn’t really enough for Tier IX med I’d say…
it’s a medium, learn to flank
Tell that to my Tier IX Pershing with 180mm of pen… or better yet, a non-upgraded Patton with that same gun…
You try finding a Tier 10 Soviet Medium that is suitable for the job that fits in the game timeline and doesn’t look somewhat like the T62A… Also, a rear turret is a HUGE change.
That’s not elited, is it?
Could anyone show me any real difference between T-62A, Object 140 and Object 430? +- same armor, same gun, +- same speed, those tanks are just copies of themselves (at least for me…)
Obj 140 is a tad better copy of T-62A with better speed, armor angles and gun depression. Obj 430 has good frontal armor, same speed as Obj140 and lower RoF. Yep, they’re still clones with variations.
Well, yes. The 430 has better armour, better gun depression (-6) than T-62A, worst rate of fire and traverse on both hull and turret, worst aim time. So the differencees are there. No very big ones, but the overall will make the tank work different, an hibryn of the WZ-121 and the 140.
“-5 depression for 430″ (c) Storm
I though they said -6 in some Q&A :P
Sorry to interrupt you bro but I can’t stand you using the term WZ-121
WZ designation is for tanks that were accepted in to production and had their factory tests, 110,112,113 and 121 were either paper projects or had only single prototypes that were rejected by the army. WZ-111 was in fact developed in 5 different variants and had its factory tests to see which one was viable enough to run production but the fact none was reliable enough to continue the project is another thing.
Same goes for WZ-120, the premium tank uses it’s service designation Type 59 because it uses it’s historical configuration in which it was produced and served in PLA. The grindable one is WZ-120 because it has access to all weapons it was experimented with and thus it’s named after its factory designation.
I can use Type 79 aswell :P
Correct, Type 69, wich can be called aswell WZ-121 because there were varios prototypes. And bassed on what you say about WZ-120 and Type 59 the 121 should be called WZ because it doesn’t use an historical configuration, wich was a 100 mm smothbore gun, and later an 105 mm L7 and it baceme the Type 79
just to say it the 121 is not the type 69. and therefore using the term WZ-121 for it is horribly wrong.
Then you got me wrong. the 121, current tier X med was only a prototype to meet the army’s requirements but the army rejected the tank. That’s why it’s not the WZ. Only tanks with designation WZ were approved by the army to be developed further.
Only Numbers – Prototype developed to meet requirements laid by the army but yet not approved.
WZ and numbers – Prototype approved by army for further development in to production model. From all chinese tanks I know, only WZ-111 Heavy tank was rejected at this stage.
Type and numbers – Tank approved , tested and in production. Serving in PLA
121 is one of tge early versions of the WZ-121 (Type 69), it entered in service, and it was one of tge first home-made tanks in Chine (not national adquired tecnologies, but made in home). More than 2000 were manufactured, but not the version ingame.
It can be a follow-up like Chieftain from FV4202, T-54 from T-44 or perhaps more similar case like IS-8 from IS-7. The tank is dropped but the concept remains, the development continues in to a new tank. They are still separate tanks and naming 121 as WZ-121 is just a horrible mistake.
The in-game 121 was rejected by Chinese military and was used in a nuclear test just like my favorite 113. It’s a shame that such waste product like WZ-111 is still in museum while those two are forever lost…
Well the 140 has better gun depression than the T62A, if i remember correctly. Not sure about the 430.
At least it doesn’t have the same RoF as T-62/Obj140….
LOL, the gun on the 430v2 shared with the T-54 is not as good as the one shared with the 416 :-)
The M-63 (Object 416 and Object 430V2) is almost the same as the D-10T2C (the “bad pen” on thr T-54)
ie. the superior gun. 420 Shoot gold everyday.
The M-63 has better accuracy, RoF, aim-time and DPM :-)
Notice how the engine shown in the v2 screenshot isn’t the top engine, it’s possible that it’s got another gun which isn’t shown.
What tells you that?
Notice how the engine shown on the v2 have 550 hp and can only be mounted on the v1, but the regular 430 have a 580 hp engine which can be mounted on both it and the v2
Wow, without a better gun that tier 9 will be UP as hell.
UP as hell? it’s got way better armor than the T-54 while still being agile and use the same guns (pretty much).
Are you saying that the T-54 is UP?
Having played the 416, rear-mounted mediums need something to compensate for how difficult they are to drive. I love the 416, but my god it’s a challenge.
260k exp to 430…challenge accepted.
Ive see ppl do wonders in their Obj416 and I can imagine this will be similar. The low profile and turret in back allow some pretty decent pee-a-boo over smaller hills, hill slopes and shooting behind cover.
Yes, because the Obj416 has the medium gun of a tier higher. If the 430V2 doesn’t get this it will be a very tricky tank to play.
I imagine 430V2 has 360 turret traverse along with its very good armour fixes most of the 416′s problems. More like the A-44.
I read 430V2 has 180 traverse. :-|
The 416 is like a ninja TD. It’s super fast, has great camo and the gun is awesome.
I guess at tier 9 the 430v2 will need to load more HEAT, but otherwise it should do fine.
Anyone noticed that v2 has better radio than normal obj.430 ?
Yeah, you need to play it like sniper.
Will Object 430 still have that 1hp (hit point) engine?
You really believed that it will be literally 1hp ?
You don’t understand sarcasm huh?
I reckon the gun nerfs would be enough to balance higher hull armour (slightly worse RoF and aim time than other T10 Soviet MTs). 430 still has thin turret top to allow for -6 elevation.
A weak engine would be quite penalising for the T9 that uses the same engine in the front, as with the A-44′s engine. (This also explains why 430 is more expensive to unlock; you get an engine for ‘free’.)
How much XP do I need for the T9, I’m currently grinding the Obj.416 and would like to know when to stop.
Check the previous posts here. I think it was shown yesterday or day before that.
oh god, 20mm more hull armor with better angles – would definitely get this one over the T62A or Obj 140 if I wasn’t so damn close to getting the Obj 140, plus the fact that I need a tier X med for the campaigns.
The slope is not better, the same 60 degrees.
nope go measure it the obj has better angles
8,7 rounds/minute.
obj. 140 and t42a are at 9,09…
i’m ok with this.
I cant really see the 430V2 working out well.Same guns as the T-54,pretty much,but no fully traversing turret and a engine that will probably get knocked out/damaged VERY often (see A-44 and Object 416),and all you get is slightly better turret armor and more hitpoints…The only other thing this tank might have going for it is the ability to sidescrape (80mm side armor).
great medium tank :D different style and gameplay. tier X have great ROF and accuracy. i want it :D
Well that’s quite underwhelming. I mean granted the 430 is at least more different to the T-62A than the 140 is (better armor and speed, shittier gun) but cmon really. The 430/140 are pretty pointless. And the 430V2 is just a … worse T-54, with a shitty rear turret design from what I can tell. Yes rear turret tanks can exploit certain side-scraping tactics a little better but that one advantage doesn’t really outweigh the disadvantages. And for how much XP you have to earn to unlock these clones? Let’s just say I’m happy I’ve already got the “real” tanks (T-54/T-62) and I see no point in unlocking these new clones.
At least we’ll get some interesting tanks with the Japanese.
Interesting tanks with the Japanese – another tier X with L7 clone.
The 430 will be the best t10 medium as it will beable to for fill any role with it’s fantastic armor.
Though this is boring
The Jp tank is interesting and only worht getting if it really has the -10. But at the end of the day it has massive weak spots so wont be much of a threat on level ish ground
Not sure why we need THREE T10 Russian Meds but I guess I’ll get a crew ready for her when 8.10 drops.
Because one is not enough…
Although without tanklocking you won’t notice.
I just hope the Object 430V2 can turn its turret 360 unlike the Object 416
some interesting facts
50-m effective armor
UP 150 @ 60 =300
LG 100 @ 60 =200
62a
UG 100 @ 60 = 200
LG 100 @ 50 = 155
OBJ 140
UG 100 @ 65 = 236
LG 100 @ 60 = 200
OBj 430 ( assuming the same angles as the 140 ) Im hoping the angles will be greater by a few
UG 120 @ 65 = 283
LG 120 @ 60 = 240
is 7/ e100
LG 150 @ 50 = 233