Hello everyone,
it’s been a while since we had any sets of photos. Dominatus (US forums) visited recently the Chinese Tank Museum in Beijing and submitted some interesting pictures from it. Here they are. Please excuse bad lighting. Also, this post is very picture heavy.
Chinese Chi-Ha
Chinese IS-2 – notice the frotal armor shape
ISU-152
LVT(a)-4
Chinese Stuart
North-Korean Pokpung-Ho (Storm Tiger) M-2002 MBT (1992)
Another Stuart
SU-100 and SU-76
T-34/85 turret – note that it has no loader’s copula
Type 59 with Type 62 and Type 62 turrets
Type 63 with various turrets (including Type 62 turret and a turret with L7 clone)
WZ-111 – prototype with test weight instead of turret
“122″ and “132″ – prototypes
An old grainy photo of a local copy of SU-76
Old pictures from Chinese civil war – the first one is really familiar (I totally forgot what it is – Ha-Go?) and the second is some sort of CV-33 type tankette
Chinese ISU-122′s on 1954 parade
American LVT’s with ZIS-2 guns (tank destroyers)
Soviet vehicles in Chinese service – the last one are the SU-100 tank destroyers
Nice picture’s man. I think it’s great to have museums like that. Keep on going!!
CHINES SU AND IS SERIES ??????? THEY COPY ALL TGINGS AS WELL !
they are too lazy to copy…i think they are directly imported from Russia and just rename them
True, china had to establish tank building from scratch, even worse for them, the country was devastated by 30 years of constant warfare. No wonder they didn’t give a fuck and just imported stuff from their ideological ally.
Why break good thing? Just take and improve it.
Break ? How so ? Chinese tanks are pretty good, at least those in the game…..
I think he more means “If it ain’t broke don’t fix it” kind of thing so rather than develop their own armor the chinese could just use russian stuff that was already proven to work. And pretty much all Chinese tanks are either Russian imports (IS-2), direct copies of Russian tanks (Type 59/WZ-120 and T-54), or designs based off of Russian tank doctrine (110 and IS-3). Unlike other nations (US, UK, Germany, Russia) the Chinese didn’t do a lot of their own research and designing, a lot of their military hardware is copied. It’s just a colloquial thing with China, they don’t just do it with a lot of weapons they also do it with common consumer items. Think of chinese knock offs, like bags, watches, movies, clothes, etc.
The early version of Type-59 may just a copy of T-54 ,but later ,it became totally different thing …….. http://tieba.baidu.com/photo/p?kw=%B6%FE%D5%BD&flux=1&tid=1941125144&pic_id=36534e4a20a446237913e0919822720e0ef3d7dd&pn=1&fp=2&see_lz=1 These are some Type59 Chinese exported to Africa , you think they are same as T-54? lol
how terrible
WHOAaaa…
Thats alot of Soviet vehicles
They even have a North Korean tank(Storm Tiger)
*Looking at 122 and 132*
I don’t even know what to say…? O____O
Plenty of Copy/Paste stuff for Chinese TD line :)
I want them in game *__*
Chinese had both versions of IS-2 with straight and stepped armor plate.
T-34-85 did not have loader’s cupola, Type 58 had it, to enable mounting of AAMG.
Yes, he forgot to upload the picture of the one with a loader’s cupola. :)
No AA gun on the one I saw though, or a mount for one.
Can’t find it ATM but I am sure I saw some with DShK/Type 54 AAMG.
WZ-122 saw that name bouncing around a while ago did some research but didn’t find too much info on it. Would it fit in WoT as tier 10 medium or would it be too new?
It’s not WZ-122, it’s clearly 122, Jesus Christ, start to use the naming properly
WZ 122 is what i found from my research it’s the factory designation for the 122 式 http://www.mdc.idv.tw/mdc/army/wz122.htm i think you would need google translate to read it
Yes, it’s WZ-122 and there are many versions of it. I think it only had smoothbores however, so not really for WoT.
in early WZ-122(A) project , the tank were planned to got 100mm rifled gun, it still have possibility to be a new tier 10 medium/heavy tank
121有一个发展型号带120线膛炮
另外WZ122A是什么?
我倒是见过带59炮塔的类似WZ122的车辆,可能是80式的底盘
WZ-122A不就是那个“三液”底盘的代号嘛,B是三机底盘的代号…
WZ-122A is WZ122 with hydraulic transmission/ steering/ suspension system, the earlier prototype of WZ-122 project.
WZ was given to those that went beyond prototyping.
you mean “accepted in service” or “junk heap” or what?
A plan/program with a prototype built up.
131(NOT WZ131)and 132(NOT WZ132,it’s a prototype of WZ131) both had prototype built up , but they don’t have WZ in the front of their name.
Indeed they do. and several 132 blueprints existed, only the one(1973 model) built up is wz-132
Well… several WZ132 prototype were made, the WZ132 built in 1973 was the last one which has 100mm smoothbores and 4 AT rocket launcher
That’s not how I’ve seen it. I haven’t been able to wrap my head around the conventions yet, but WZ-111, WZ-132, and WZ-122 never entered service but have the WZ-prefix.
Yes, but tell me, maybe you’ll know, is it just factory designation or inventory designation ? Or perhaps both? :P
THANK YOU! MUCH APPRECIATED
It would be only Chinese top tier tank in the game which has good depression. -.-
Funny because Wz111 was not painted when I was there last summer.
It changes its plumage for mating season.
Very nice SS. Keep them coming :)
OMG, are there any documents and photos of 113 ?! Pls ;__;
Unfortunately, I did not manage to find anything related to the 112, 113, 121, or those T-34-X projects.
isn’t WZ-121 type 69 there should be lots of info out there for type 69
No, the 121 (note not WZ-121, Chinese naming convention is terrible) is totally different and related in name only. The 121 is more of a Type 59 with a 122mm gun. I have not found any indications of this project.
Type 59 with 122mm gun ? Are you sure ? In-game 121 has much wider hull and upper front plate has “shoulders”, something that’s not found in T-54 and related copies.
http://wiki.mil.kongzhong.com/index.php?doc-view-728
you can get some information on this website if you can read chinese
The blue prints of T-34-X projects were found in North University of China. You can hardly find these things in museums in China
Reason why the chinese tech tree is by far the least popular is now obvious.. I wonder why they even bothered to release them on other than chinese server..
because they’re something like “what if we buff/nerf these bits in a T-34″ tanks. and it’s working :|
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CHINESE TANKS = BEST TANKS
Actually that is not a North Korean Pokpung-ho
The DPRK Pokpung-ho looks like this;
http://25.media.tumblr.com/aa8115acc2e312006d4a2b69b8c1b0ef/tumblr_mj9w15bmbn1rf0lk5o1_1280.png
http://i.imgur.com/eRT8plc.jpg
Notice the different road wheel design, it uses the T-55 torsion bar system.
The turret is also very different and it appears to be using a L7 clone. Could be mistaken about the gun of course but it looks too small to be a 115mm or a 125mm.
Ya know… the museum used to have OLD tanks and your pics look kinda new… just sayn’ it might be an older version. I wouldn’t be surprised if North Korea still developed an old design.
Would have to be a complete different tank because the main design is actually based on the T-62 and the Chonma-ho also incorporating technology from various Soviet tanks also the Russian T-90 like the 125mm smoothbore gun.
The tank apparently made its first trails in 2002 and according to some shady sources it might have been available as early as the 90s.
The tank in the picture features American style torsion bar suspension and the chassis looks like from a different tank not from the T-62.
All this according to Wikipedia and other sources, it would not make much sense if it was a very early prototype because its so radically different from the Pokpung-ho.
Yes, it’s not the Korean tank. It’s just called “Storm” and was designed for the Middle East export market.
could the Storm Tiger ever be in World of Tanks ?
Its way too modern for that, it has a 115mm or a 125mm smoothbore gun with plenty of modern equipment and a 1000HP diesel engine featuring Composite armour.
And it was designed in the 80s, its like putting a M1A2 Abrams into the game.
Also the picture you see is not really a Storm Tiger but some Chinese tank I have never seen. Storm Tiger looks like a heavily modified T-62
thanks for the reply :)
Great work!
Typo: “Type 59 with Type 62 and Type 62 turrets”
Type 63 with L7 clone too modern for WoT? What do you think, SS, guys?
Type 63 is an amphibious tank so not likely to appear in wot unless WG decided to implement amphibious vehicles.
Modern Type 62s also use the same turret. But it’s way too new for WoT.
Darn. Could have made a cool upgrade to the WZ-132.
I don’t see any photos of the far superior T-34-3
the only T-34-X plan that might have prototype is T-34-2… others are just… meh
那个焊接炮塔的是风暴式坦克。楼主没拍到坦克博物馆的好东西,有个馆是不开放的。 坦克博物馆还有缴获的94式超轻坦克,似乎是世界唯一一辆
另外另外一家中国人民军事博物馆有很多缴获坦克,包括T62。似乎还有意大利的CV33
These aren’t the only photos I took. I had the opportunity to go into the semi-secret room, but I didn’t want to come back another day to do so. Plus I doubt they’d let you take pictures in it.
另外很多样车是交给工厂自己保存,没有送到博物馆… 有的则毁于核试验
前段时间我找到了59-16核试验之后的照片…
中国北方有一处广场上还有英国的酋长式坦克 涂刷了类似PLA的涂装