Any informations about needed experience to get Ob 140 from T54 ?
Nope, sorry.
the same as T-62A
What gun will you need researched on the T-54, that leads to the Object 140???
I’ve reasearched the D102TC on my T-54, but not the D-54.
I like your thinking Michal :) but I expected thicker frontal plate :( maybe it’s all about angle….
I guess it similar to the T62A with 200k xp needed to research.
Ogbject 140 looks very similar to T62A but the turret position looks interesting as it is very close to the sloped armor part wich suggests that it has better gundepression than T62A
Look at the damage and penetration values of the Object 416 (tier 8)
It looks like it will get the low pen high accuracy gun of the T54
It’s probably the 57mm gun (stock)
Looking at the wrong thing SS. 320 damage, 201 penetration- has to be the D-10T2S.
Object 416 gun was called M63. So forget D-10T2S.
The position of the gun relative to the hull rarely matters, depression is mostly cut off by the breech bumping into the roof inside the turret. And that thing still follows the Russian “frying pan”
The position of the gun relative to the hull rarely matters, depression is mostly cut off by the breech bumping into the roof inside the turret. And that thing still follows the Russian “frying pan” design, so it sure as hell won’t exceed -5.
T-62A historically had 7 degree…
Same shit. More thrash!
I want T-55 and T-64, not this shit!
T-55 is almost identical to the T-54, most significant difference being that it has NBC protection(which is not really relevant in WoT). I think WG at some point said that they might actually introduce it as a hull option for the T-54 when that becomes available.
T-64 is probably too advanced for WoT.
Have some difference in turret and hull.
T-64 would be too advanced, but the upcoming(delayed) prototype, Object 430, will come.
Yes, it was all smoothbores and early forms of composite armor from the Obj.432 prototype to the T-64 models. We will probably never see the smaller 2-man autoloader turrets in WoT.
There was a T-64 planned with a rifled 122.
Hope you don’t mean the 430u because that is prior to 432.
No, it was planned on the T-64, however the smooth bore won out and was placed on the T-64.
Here’s some info about it
”
At the same time, pursuant to the decision of the State Committee of the USSR Council of Ministers for Defence Technology of 8 June 1961 on the establishment of a promising tank gun for tanks “Object 432″ and “Object 166″ integrated brigade, formed of representatives from the OKB-9, NII-24 , SRI-6, OTB-40 Plant. Malyshev and plant number 183, was worked out the possibility of establishing a promising 122-mm rifled gun D-83 with a muzzle velocity of 1600 m / s and 125-mm smoothbore gun D-81 with a muzzle velocity of 1800-1880 m / s and armor penetration at a distance of 2000 m at an angle of 60 ° from the vertical than 150 mm.”
What is the point of the Obj 140?same gun,same engine,same ROF,why the hell whould any of us get that stupid tank?
BTW i cant believe they reused the same gun in two different top tier,and least the E-100 has an alternate gun and is very diferent from the maus,but this?Its almost a carbon copy.
I’ll still buy it on day 1 :D
…because most of the Western Tier 10 meds totally don’t share a gun either.
But they have different stats,but not in this case;
It does give a bit of flavour, but they are still very similar- they have the same APCR/HEAT pene and damage; acc/aim time/RoF differ by about 10-15%. The Brit L7 does have two types of HESH instead of HE and HEAT, though.
FV4202 and Leo are virtually identical, the former merely trades a little acc for better RoF, whereas the 50M has functionally the exact same gun as the Leo just with a different name and in practice irrelevant weight diff; only the Patton really differs from the lot in having roundly the worst softstats because of IDKLOL.
FV4202 is basically a heavy tank, slow and heavily armored. Leopard 1 is a light, paper armor and fast. How you can consider those identical is a mystery. The guns may be similar, but the tanks are not.
.__.
Well the talk WAS about guns.
tank freezing on CW, tho I like the 62A so I’ll like the Object140 too. I’ll be my 2nd fav tank after 62A :)
That’s the point, why people (and me) will buy this!
I’m so going to get the A-44. That thing looks insane… I love it already.
A-44 has the 107mm ZiS-6 apparently, as stock gun?
Nope, elite. This tanks are all in their elite configuration.
It’s something else I think.
Thanks to Failgaming for this object140 shit tank. Who needs a T62 clon with ugly copula weakspots ?
Again a medium without any usefull hull armor.
If they dont improve their game in this patch they should at least ad interesting vehicles and not this trash.
Make your own game and add any tank you want. (c) SerB
Q: Obj 140 is a T-62A clone? A: Don’t play Obj 140
why the hell would you need armor on manuverable medium?
U want hull armor? Play a heavy, stupid noob!
Tier 7 OP as hell?
I dont think the A-44 will have 150mm all over the front,maybe at the lower or upper part,its probably similar to M36 were the data only describes the lower front plate.
Basically the whole Centurion 1 / M103 deal.
The thick armor is only on the tip/beak of the hull or something.
Did i read that right? 150mm of sloped armor at tier 7? On a medium? That thing is gonna be such juggernaut when top tier.
Its ussr tank, its never op!
Well it does have a frontal engine and probably shit all for depression, so it’s needs that armor, badly.
I heard rumors that it will have a massive weakspot on the top part of the front hull. It will basically be the medium version of a Tiger(P).
It also has that big tumor on the turret.
no. 150mm of armor – is this frontal… err… “house” with radioman.
front glacis plate and lower plate are much, much weaker.
Obj140 is even better than T-62 – same stats (same fucking insane dpm) plus better top speed and slightly better hp/ton. T-62 is, I believe, considered by many as the best t10 med in the game, so I call power creep.
I call “cash in” on the “new hotness”, though many people will probably have the xp saved on their OP-54 already, like myself. Nothing like adding another OP soviet trash can with a slightly different model to the garage.
Bit of numbers are not enough to evaluate tank. We don’t know about accuracy – it doesn’t have to be the same. WG can fuckup aim time, accuracy on the move. HP/ton mean shite when you have suspension quality/ground resistance/whatever its named factor. Hull MIGHT be (can’t judge from very few “generic” pics) better sloped than 60 degrees, presumably giving similar protection to T-54 and better autobounce when angled.
SO I wouldn’t hold my breath, though I’m gathering exp on it.
WG knows how to tap into the wallets of their players though for that gold conversion/credit buying stuff. The tank either has to be:
1. OP
or
2. German
I’m sure they’ll make this new one at least slightly better than the T-62A. Why wouldn’t they? They know people will go for it, even if they already have a 62A. WG can come out with an infinite number of T-54 clones and people will jump out of their chairs to buy them instantly.
The whining never ends does it . A new line comes out and players say it’s a cash grab so that players need to free xp through shit tanks of the line .Here they give us the option to get it directly from the tier 9 and the whining continues . Can’t help but agree with serb .. players in general are retards .
took u long to realize this ;)
Objekt 140 has 2 big turret weakspots and less hp, just a fucking clonetank to print some stalin quotes on it.
Then don’t get it?
I wanted a tier 10 t54 and it is delivered . Getting it on day 1 :D
as always, we cant say if its better or worse than the 62a till 1-2 months after the launch of 8.8
Dunno about you guys but that A-44 is uniquely sexy. I want it.
416 is sexier.
It looks weird.
I’ve already booked a church for the ceremony.
whats so unique about obj 140? it’s just a T-62A with crappier stats .
A few things changed. It got its aim time nerfed from 3.1 to 3.4, RoF reduced from 5 to 4.55, and so on.
Still a tier 10 tank on tier 8.
I wonder why they went with 100mm armor on the object 140. Didn’t Silentstalker’s article on it say it had 120? Maybe wg decieded off the historical accuracy binge.
o.140 might have better slope on glacis than “default” 60 degrees. Hard to say from few generic pics, but it might achieve similar protection to T-54 hull. If you mate 120mm with dat angle, you might get quite OP hull armor. Not going to happen, especially as turret is already fat 240mm
the whole 120mm was quite a “fiasco” for a long time. Only the first 3k or so t54 had the 120mm but it was to heavy for the suspension and didn’t delivered the demanded mobility, so they reduced it to the standard 100mm all the others got and the first 3k also where “downgraded”.
120mm frontal is on Object 430.
1 question… the 62a is born from 1 gun…
the obj will need to research the other gun, the same gun the engine or the tracks?
Which module on the T-54 will the Object 140 branch off of?
Same RoF
Apparently comparable armor
Similar power to weight ratio
I thought this wouldn’t be a T-62A clone?
Interesting…400 hp engine on the Obyekt 416 at Tier 8…and 107 mm ZiS-6 on the A-44 at Tier 7…
Why is the Obj. 140 below T-62A in the tech tree? Shouldn’t it be above, considering it is a continuation of the A-43, A-44 line?
It isn’t. The Ob’yekt 430 will be the ultimate Tier 10 of that line.
Wargaming Office:
Dev Guy Number One: So, for the next patch, we can either include brand new, open topped, WHOLE german Tank destroyer line, or we can add an unfinished, tier 6 to 10 (without a tier 9) russian med line that people can totally skip from the allready unlocked T-54, and wich ends with almolst the same tank as T-62A.
Dev Guy Number Two: I’m not sure we should add the russian tanks, maybe push them back to rework them and include the brand new german TD line instead?
SerB:FUCK GERMANY, GIMME RUSSIAN MEDS LOL
How are you so certain that the German TD line is finished in any way?
Are you a secret WG employee?
Are you SerB?!?!?
I’M ON TO YOU!!!
the A-44 appeared in a video a year ago. 3-4 icons of the New German TD line appeared a year and a half ago.
I cant see the latest 2 entry’s on this blog.
When i try to read the entire entry i get taken to a message saying.
“Banned. I don’t need nazis/retards/other kind of shitheads here.”
Is this an error ? i havent posted a response here in ages (probably not even since ftr was taken to wot-news)
Well, if this is the whole story, then there is a problem.
Now it works again.
Whew i was worried i lost one of the very few things worth following on the internet.
Still no info how many XP is needed to develop A-43 from T-34?
Any informations about needed experience to get Ob 140 from T54 ?
Nope, sorry.
the same as T-62A
What gun will you need researched on the T-54, that leads to the Object 140???
I’ve reasearched the D102TC on my T-54, but not the D-54.
I like your thinking Michal :) but I expected thicker frontal plate :( maybe it’s all about angle….
I guess it similar to the T62A with 200k xp needed to research.
Ogbject 140 looks very similar to T62A but the turret position looks interesting as it is very close to the sloped armor part wich suggests that it has better gundepression than T62A
Look at the damage and penetration values of the Object 416 (tier 8)
It looks like it will get the low pen high accuracy gun of the T54
It’s probably the 57mm gun (stock)
Looking at the wrong thing SS. 320 damage, 201 penetration- has to be the D-10T2S.
Object 416 gun was called M63. So forget D-10T2S.
The position of the gun relative to the hull rarely matters, depression is mostly cut off by the breech bumping into the roof inside the turret. And that thing still follows the Russian “frying pan”
The position of the gun relative to the hull rarely matters, depression is mostly cut off by the breech bumping into the roof inside the turret. And that thing still follows the Russian “frying pan” design, so it sure as hell won’t exceed -5.
T-62A historically had 7 degree…
Same shit. More thrash!
I want T-55 and T-64, not this shit!
T-55 is almost identical to the T-54, most significant difference being that it has NBC protection(which is not really relevant in WoT). I think WG at some point said that they might actually introduce it as a hull option for the T-54 when that becomes available.
T-64 is probably too advanced for WoT.
Have some difference in turret and hull.
T-64 would be too advanced, but the upcoming(delayed) prototype, Object 430, will come.
Yes, it was all smoothbores and early forms of composite armor from the Obj.432 prototype to the T-64 models. We will probably never see the smaller 2-man autoloader turrets in WoT.
There was a T-64 planned with a rifled 122.
Hope you don’t mean the 430u because that is prior to 432.
No, it was planned on the T-64, however the smooth bore won out and was placed on the T-64.
Here’s some info about it
”
At the same time, pursuant to the decision of the State Committee of the USSR Council of Ministers for Defence Technology of 8 June 1961 on the establishment of a promising tank gun for tanks “Object 432″ and “Object 166″ integrated brigade, formed of representatives from the OKB-9, NII-24 , SRI-6, OTB-40 Plant. Malyshev and plant number 183, was worked out the possibility of establishing a promising 122-mm rifled gun D-83 with a muzzle velocity of 1600 m / s and 125-mm smoothbore gun D-81 with a muzzle velocity of 1800-1880 m / s and armor penetration at a distance of 2000 m at an angle of 60 ° from the vertical than 150 mm.”
What is the point of the Obj 140?same gun,same engine,same ROF,why the hell whould any of us get that stupid tank?
BTW i cant believe they reused the same gun in two different top tier,and least the E-100 has an alternate gun and is very diferent from the maus,but this?Its almost a carbon copy.
I’ll still buy it on day 1 :D
…because most of the Western Tier 10 meds totally don’t share a gun either.
But they have different stats,but not in this case;
It does give a bit of flavour, but they are still very similar- they have the same APCR/HEAT pene and damage; acc/aim time/RoF differ by about 10-15%. The Brit L7 does have two types of HESH instead of HE and HEAT, though.
FV4202 and Leo are virtually identical, the former merely trades a little acc for better RoF, whereas the 50M has functionally the exact same gun as the Leo just with a different name and in practice irrelevant weight diff; only the Patton really differs from the lot in having roundly the worst softstats because of IDKLOL.
FV4202 is basically a heavy tank, slow and heavily armored. Leopard 1 is a light, paper armor and fast. How you can consider those identical is a mystery. The guns may be similar, but the tanks are not.
.__.
Well the talk WAS about guns.
tank freezing on CW, tho I like the 62A so I’ll like the Object140 too. I’ll be my 2nd fav tank after 62A :)
That’s the point, why people (and me) will buy this!
I’m so going to get the A-44. That thing looks insane… I love it already.
A-44 has the 107mm ZiS-6 apparently, as stock gun?
Nope, elite. This tanks are all in their elite configuration.
It’s something else I think.
Thanks to Failgaming for this object140 shit tank. Who needs a T62 clon with ugly copula weakspots ?
Again a medium without any usefull hull armor.
If they dont improve their game in this patch they should at least ad interesting vehicles and not this trash.
Make your own game and add any tank you want. (c) SerB
Q: Obj 140 is a T-62A clone? A: Don’t play Obj 140
why the hell would you need armor on manuverable medium?
U want hull armor? Play a heavy, stupid noob!
Tier 7 OP as hell?
I dont think the A-44 will have 150mm all over the front,maybe at the lower or upper part,its probably similar to M36 were the data only describes the lower front plate.
Basically the whole Centurion 1 / M103 deal.
The thick armor is only on the tip/beak of the hull or something.
Did i read that right? 150mm of sloped armor at tier 7? On a medium? That thing is gonna be such juggernaut when top tier.
Its ussr tank, its never op!
Well it does have a frontal engine and probably shit all for depression, so it’s needs that armor, badly.
I heard rumors that it will have a massive weakspot on the top part of the front hull. It will basically be the medium version of a Tiger(P).
It also has that big tumor on the turret.
no. 150mm of armor – is this frontal… err… “house” with radioman.
front glacis plate and lower plate are much, much weaker.
Obj140 is even better than T-62 – same stats (same fucking insane dpm) plus better top speed and slightly better hp/ton. T-62 is, I believe, considered by many as the best t10 med in the game, so I call power creep.
I call “cash in” on the “new hotness”, though many people will probably have the xp saved on their OP-54 already, like myself. Nothing like adding another OP soviet trash can with a slightly different model to the garage.
Bit of numbers are not enough to evaluate tank. We don’t know about accuracy – it doesn’t have to be the same. WG can fuckup aim time, accuracy on the move. HP/ton mean shite when you have suspension quality/ground resistance/whatever its named factor. Hull MIGHT be (can’t judge from very few “generic” pics) better sloped than 60 degrees, presumably giving similar protection to T-54 and better autobounce when angled.
SO I wouldn’t hold my breath, though I’m gathering exp on it.
WG knows how to tap into the wallets of their players though for that gold conversion/credit buying stuff. The tank either has to be:
1. OP
or
2. German
I’m sure they’ll make this new one at least slightly better than the T-62A. Why wouldn’t they? They know people will go for it, even if they already have a 62A. WG can come out with an infinite number of T-54 clones and people will jump out of their chairs to buy them instantly.
The whining never ends does it . A new line comes out and players say it’s a cash grab so that players need to free xp through shit tanks of the line .Here they give us the option to get it directly from the tier 9 and the whining continues . Can’t help but agree with serb .. players in general are retards .
took u long to realize this ;)
Objekt 140 has 2 big turret weakspots and less hp, just a fucking clonetank to print some stalin quotes on it.
Then don’t get it?
I wanted a tier 10 t54 and it is delivered . Getting it on day 1 :D
as always, we cant say if its better or worse than the 62a till 1-2 months after the launch of 8.8
Dunno about you guys but that A-44 is uniquely sexy. I want it.
416 is sexier.
It looks weird.
I’ve already booked a church for the ceremony.
whats so unique about obj 140? it’s just a T-62A with crappier stats .
Still no 112 new stats?
This thread has updated stats on the 112.
http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/267934-so-you-only-have-money-for-one-tier-viii-chinese-premium/
A few things changed. It got its aim time nerfed from 3.1 to 3.4, RoF reduced from 5 to 4.55, and so on.
112 heavy premium tank will be added in 8.8 update
This thread has updated stats on the 112.
http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/267934-so-you-only-have-money-for-one-tier-viii-chinese-premium/
A few things changed. It got its aim time nerfed from 3.1 to 3.4, RoF reduced from 5 to 4.55, and so on.
Still a tier 10 tank on tier 8.
I wonder why they went with 100mm armor on the object 140. Didn’t Silentstalker’s article on it say it had 120? Maybe wg decieded off the historical accuracy binge.
o.140 might have better slope on glacis than “default” 60 degrees. Hard to say from few generic pics, but it might achieve similar protection to T-54 hull. If you mate 120mm with dat angle, you might get quite OP hull armor. Not going to happen, especially as turret is already fat 240mm
the whole 120mm was quite a “fiasco” for a long time. Only the first 3k or so t54 had the 120mm but it was to heavy for the suspension and didn’t delivered the demanded mobility, so they reduced it to the standard 100mm all the others got and the first 3k also where “downgraded”.
120mm frontal is on Object 430.
1 question… the 62a is born from 1 gun…
the obj will need to research the other gun, the same gun the engine or the tracks?
Which module on the T-54 will the Object 140 branch off of?
Same RoF
Apparently comparable armor
Similar power to weight ratio
I thought this wouldn’t be a T-62A clone?
Interesting…400 hp engine on the Obyekt 416 at Tier 8…and 107 mm ZiS-6 on the A-44 at Tier 7…
Why is the Obj. 140 below T-62A in the tech tree? Shouldn’t it be above, considering it is a continuation of the A-43, A-44 line?
It isn’t. The Ob’yekt 430 will be the ultimate Tier 10 of that line.
Wargaming Office:
Dev Guy Number One: So, for the next patch, we can either include brand new, open topped, WHOLE german Tank destroyer line, or we can add an unfinished, tier 6 to 10 (without a tier 9) russian med line that people can totally skip from the allready unlocked T-54, and wich ends with almolst the same tank as T-62A.
Dev Guy Number Two: I’m not sure we should add the russian tanks, maybe push them back to rework them and include the brand new german TD line instead?
SerB:FUCK GERMANY, GIMME RUSSIAN MEDS LOL
How are you so certain that the German TD line is finished in any way?
Are you a secret WG employee?
Are you SerB?!?!?
I’M ON TO YOU!!!
the A-44 appeared in a video a year ago. 3-4 icons of the New German TD line appeared a year and a half ago.
I cant see the latest 2 entry’s on this blog.
When i try to read the entire entry i get taken to a message saying.
“Banned. I don’t need nazis/retards/other kind of shitheads here.”
Is this an error ? i havent posted a response here in ages (probably not even since ftr was taken to wot-news)
Well, if this is the whole story, then there is a problem.
Now it works again.
Whew i was worried i lost one of the very few things worth following on the internet.
Still no info how many XP is needed to develop A-43 from T-34?
can’t you figure by yourself?
A-43 is Tier 6, so most likely between 20-25k.